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Single Mom Involved With Social Services

53 replies

SingleMamaa · 11/10/2017 23:49

Hi
Wandering if anyone could help or give me some advise...
I’m a single mom to two boys, I have recently got into a new relationship after being single for sometime with a man who I have been friends with for 4/5 years.

He has a child to an ex partner who was very controlling and abusive and police had previously been involved with them, this is over6 years ago.

3/4 months into our relationship social services have knocked on our door out of the blue saying he poses a threat to my boys and has to leave the property for the night till they come back and speak to me the following day to carry out some assessments.

I have no issues with them carrying out what they need to but can they just come and tell him to leave? How long does he have to stay away for?
He is amazing with my boys not rude or abusive we are a very happy family, can someone please help?

TIA

OP posts:
poddige · 12/10/2017 07:39

It's simple. Who is more important to you, him or your DC.

it should be a no brainer OP.

UserThenLotsOfNumbers · 12/10/2017 07:39

Social services wouldn’t do this without an extremely good reason.
I suspect he’s not told you the truth, sorry.
Please put your children’s safety first.

GetOffTheTableMabel · 12/10/2017 07:45

WellThisIsShit has given you clear, calm, sensible advice. PLEASE take it.

PrincessPlod · 12/10/2017 07:46

How good a friend were you before you got together? Did he tell you about his past? SS could have concerns because he has been previously been reported for abuse or the fact he is on the sex offenders register. They may give you full disclosure tomorrow.

Are you aware there is Sarah’s law? You can apply to find out if he has issues around violence or sexual offences probably would have been worth doing before he moved in.

PurpleStarInCashmereSky · 12/10/2017 07:48

You moved him in after being together a week? Where was he living before? Had he ever met your dc? How sudden it must have been for them.

CatchingBabies · 12/10/2017 07:49

There is something he isn't telling you, get him gone! For good.

Stormwhale · 12/10/2017 07:49

I think if ss come to you and tell you someone is a danger to your children, then the only option is to believe them, and act accordingly until proved otherwise. The risk to your children is not worth believing your partner until social services, the police or something awful happening proves otherwise.

You are the only thing these children have to keep them safe. It is up to you to make sure no one is able to harm them. If you do not get your priorities straight, you could lose them.

Also, I think it is utterly appalling that you moved this man in so quickly. You have only ever had a glimpse of who he is whilst being friends, and that is not enough to trust him in your children's home, as you are now finding out.

Farahilda · 12/10/2017 07:55

What sort of contact does he have with his DC (who must be 7ish by now)?

Knowing someone as a friend for 4+ years doesn't really give you enough info on what happened 6+ years ago, especially if you are only getting one side of the story.

You need to listen carefully to what SS tell you.

For someone to have told them so quickly after someone moves in suggests (to me, at least) that there is something very serious in the background.

TheHobbitMum · 12/10/2017 08:07

There is something in his past he hasn't been honest about, SS don't come and demand people are removed from a child's home for no reason! If you don't listen to SS and protect your children you could end up without them. No man is worth SS removing your children for, seriously listen to them when they explain why he was removed

Temporaryanonymity · 12/10/2017 08:14

There are plenty of men that I have "known" for 40 odd years. I live in the sort of place where people tend not to move away. So I know plenty of people from my school days. It doesn't mean that I know everything about them, only the public persona they present.

Jenala · 12/10/2017 08:25

I'm a social worker. It's really quite drastic to say someone has to leave the home and we do that generally only if we have evidence to suggest your children are at risk of immediate harm, which usually means either physical or sexual abuse. If you don't comply you will be seen as not able to put your children first. There is likely something he hadn't told you. I'm surprised they asked you this and gave you no other information though. What else did they say?

Another possibility is the ex has made a very serious allegation against him. This could be false but SS have to act to protect children first while they investigate him. I would expect there to be enough information/other issues for whatever allegation to be credible to SS and not seem malicious.

For example I once told a father to leave the home as his child from a previous relationship made an allegation of sexual abuse. It was a serious, specific allegation and there were aspects of the child's behaviour that rang alarm bells. I couldn't let the father stay in the home with his other children while the police investigation was ongoing. He had to go while the investigation was being undertaken. You can't wait and see then 6 months down the line when the investigation is complete say 'oops yep he is an abuser ok he needs to leave then'.

Either way if they ask for him to leave, make him leave. If there is no truth to whatever the problem is, it won't be forever (though it'll be longer than a day - assessments take at least a week or two, or longer depending on type). It there is truth to it, how long he is gone shouldn't be an issue because you will have found out he is a risk to children and won't move him back in.

2014newme · 12/10/2017 08:33

Oh dear he's clearly identified you as someone with low boundaries whose happy to let a short term boyfriend move in and 'be a family'
🙄 abusers often are charming that's how they manipulate people and get access to children.
You must cooperate with social services. If you don't protect your kids you risk losing them. This is serious.

wannabestressfree · 12/10/2017 08:34

Some women are just incapable either through conditioning or stupidity from putting their own children first. Social services CAN force you to comply and remove your children. You must realise they wouldn’t ask if there were no grounds at all....

My Ndn is the same. We here awful things through the paper thin walls, she cracks and he is removed. No bail conditions just ‘advice’ that he stays away. He doesn’t. She stays angry for a few days then it’s social services fault. It becomes them against the system. If social services are spelling it out you need to listen. And you have moved him in too quick sorry. But some women just can’t be alone.... that says a lot more about you than him.

2014newme · 12/10/2017 08:36

To add, my mum was a social worker and saw lots of cases where vulnerable women brought male offenders into the home putting the children at risk. They'd often lie that the male had left etc when he hadn't. Sadly sometimes the kids did get taken away because the mothers chose the boyfriend over their own kids. When the relationship went violent or failed they'd turn up wanting the kids back. Too late.

2014newme · 12/10/2017 08:38

Also if it was access to kids the offenders were after they'd often dump the woman once the kids were removed by ss and move on to the next vulnerable single woman with kids. By then a lot of damage was done to the poor kids whose mum dropped them in favour of a short term deadbeat boyfriend

blueskyinmarch · 12/10/2017 08:38

I am a SW and have knocked on countless doors in exactly the scenario you describe.

To answer your first question; SS cannot make your partner leave but if they believe him to pose a threat to your DC then your/his failure to comply may mean they will remove your DC from your care. They will always put the needs of the child first.

I rather think your new DP is not being truthful with you about his past. Either the he was violent in the previous relationship or there are new concerns which have come to light that are being investigated. I used to work in child protection and this often meant that sexual offences were being investigated. Not saying that is what is happening here but it will be useful to be aware this might be the case.

I would urge you to fully comply and wait until SS come back to do a full disclosure before deciding if your DP is a decent man and if you have any future together. I am willing to bet he is not what he seems given he has moved in very quickly with a vulnerable, single woman with 2 young children. Just THINK about it.

LoniceraJaponica · 12/10/2017 08:43

Why did you let him move in with you after only being in a relationship with him for a week?
Why did you think it was appropriate for your children?

SparklyMagpie · 12/10/2017 08:47

Jesus christ, I'd have booted him out the door

2014newme · 12/10/2017 08:49

The op clearly was vulnerable to making poor relationship choices and that could be why she was targeted by this guy as someone with poor boundaries

Fekko · 12/10/2017 08:58

I think the op needs to listen to the professional advice given - the SS don't do this for fun or on a whim.

Your kids must always come first - they are your responsibility. You chose to have them and that's all there is to it. Some man can never be put ahead of them, their safety or their happiness.

OP - listen to the professionals. If it's all just some horrible understanding and this guy really is the love of your life and you were made to be together, then so what? You have been shown doubts and have made the right decision to put your kids first. If he is a 'good guy' then he could only applaud you for doing the right thing by the kids, and being a good mum for wanting to protect them. If he whinges and whines then he is a shit.

If he isn't a good guy - then your kids have had a lucky escape and you will have learned a sobering lesson.

WellThisIsShit · 12/10/2017 10:37

Thanks GetOffTheTableMabel.

I really hope the OP can hear/see what's being said on this thread, as so many people can't, even when it's put very clearly.

For some people, it's easy to get confused between prioritising their own & the children's 'vision of future happiness', and a risk to their children's safety now.

Especially if they don't want to believe there is a risk, and believe the partners tale of persecution, victimhood and innocence, which neatly keeps the dream of future happy families alive.

The vision of a potentially stable and secure happy family becomes a lure that can blind someone to the present reality.

Especially if that person has had unhealthy and difficult relationships in the past.

I have alot of sympathy for this, but when you're faced with a real and present danger to the children, that much longed for dream has to go.

Clinging on to that dream becomes dangerous, especially when the parent ends up convinced that by sticking to the dream means she IS putting the children first.

This is the type of thinking that means someone might feel trapped into staying with an abusive husband/partner, or to leap full speed into a new relationship and skip all the 'getting to know you' stages to get to the 'family all together' happy ending bit.

I totally get it and have so much empathy for anyone going through this. It's really hard to change direction when you've got good reasons to be doing what is essentially an unhealthy pattern of thinking and decision making. Changing tack is tough, but the only real option to put the children first.

Women who manage to get themselves out of this trap are amazing, and very strong, even if they don't feel like it at the time!

But if someone clings to this idea, this fake dream, thats when things become very sad and very risky for the children. Which isn't fair on the poor innocent children, who need their mum to protect them, and make the right decisions to care for them.

I think that's when people can become deaf and blind to what social services are telling them. Of course if someone is so blind to ignore all risks to their children, they also tend to ignore the risk that social services will act. Sleepwalking themselves and their children into disaster. And then they are utterly devastated and also shocked as they've been so stuck in their dream for a happy family, they failed to see what was happening right under their nose.

I have a feeling this happens quite a lot. After all, you don't tend to hear someone say 'yes, they gave me many warnings and I chose not to do the bare minimum to keep my children safe and with me, so after a clear multi stage process my children had to be taken out of a harmful situation I chose to put them in'.

It's tends to be a horrible shock with no warning, out of the blue, and nothing they could do to stop it. I'm sure there's a lot of reasons people say that, but I think some women genuinely believe it, as they've been so sure that chasing the dream at any cost is the 'right' thing to do, and can't understand why ss, and the police (& gps, head teachers and the courts etc) all seem to disagree.

Then they might cling to the man even more, as the only person they have left in their dream of a life filled with love. And sealing their fate as they can't seem to stop and create an environment her children are safe in.

It's a horribly sad cycle. I think it's more sad that it's very predictable.

Op, don't be that person, who sacrifices everything for a fantasy. Be the strong and fabulous woman who puts her children first.

Iamagreyhoundhearmeroar · 12/10/2017 10:39

You are not a “happy family” three months in, ffs. He’s being lying through his teeth.

mindutopia · 12/10/2017 13:13

I would be patient and listen to what social services has to say. You never know what might be in his past, and if it's truly nothing, a night or two apart isn't a big deal. We have a member of the family with a history of child abuse (he's been to prison for it, out on license, under restrictions for it in terms of his contact with children). I only wish social services had knocked on my door and told me this! Instead, everyone who knew minimised it and kept it secret because he is a 'good man' and it was 'in the past' and the accuser is 'horrible' and a 'liar.' I'm grateful we found out eventually when we did and were able to take steps to keep our children safe from him, but I sure wish someone had shown up and told me sooner. Listen to what they have to say. There could be a very real risk and it could be he is genuinely not allowed to be around children in some situations. And if that's the case, that's something you should know and take action on.

xqwertyx · 12/10/2017 16:18

I have known of this happen to someone (SS turning up and telling her her either her partner moves out or they (SS) remove the children)

It turned out her parter had a previous child abuse conviction for burning a child with intent with a cigarette.

I’m unsure what SS reasoning may be but they are doing it because they have evidence that this person is a risk to your children.

I personally would ask them to leave immediately, especially as you dont know the reason for SS concerns.

mintteaandbananabread · 12/10/2017 16:20

So, OP, what happened today?

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