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Losing Control

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Binza · 30/03/2001 20:08

Boy have I had a bad day. I'm sitting with an enormous G&T feeling like my children of 10,7 and 2 will be begging to leave home in the next day or two! I feel such an awful mother - always at them, loosing my rag about things that probably aren't that important. Then I logged on to this discussion and felt better because there are other people who feel the same way as me and probably have a lot more pressures to cope with. I have a loving, supportive husband but sometimes I feel like I'm on my own with the problems of the children.I will admit I am a bit of a control freak when it comes to them and so in order not"to loose control" I go too much the other way.
He comes across as being very laid back with them but my answer to that is I could be like that if I went out to work for 8hrs a day instead of being at home. I chose to be at home and in my heart of hearts that's what I want but it's not easy when you get a run of bad days and life just seems to be one battle after another! I will try to phone the parentline suggested and get a copy of the book on raising happier children because I don't want my children to think of me as "that woman who just shouted at us all the time".

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Debster · 04/04/2001 10:29

Hi Tlb

I don't know if this is the same organisation you mean but the web address for the National Association for Pre-Menstrual Syndrome is www.pms.org.uk/.

I also get extremely uptight and out of control about a week before my period. It got to the stage where I would be really nasty to my partner and because I was hurting him he would lash out at me so we would end up going round in circles. Eventually we sat down and talked about it and agreed that when I was having one of my 'moments' he would just ignore me, let me scream and shout and be horrible. As long as he realised it wasn't a personal attack (just me being pre-menstrual) he would not let it affect him. This has helped a great deal as we aren't perpetuating the situation and it is diffused a lot quicker.

I also have no desire to go back on the pill and so am taking one Vitamin B6 (82mg) and two Evening Primrose Oil (1000mg) tablets a day and they do seem to lower the intensity of the attacks, although maybe this is coinciding with my partner's attitude.

Tlb · 04/04/2001 12:39

Ooops! Sorry everyone Debster is right the website address is www.pms.org.uk. The Womens Nutritional Advisory Service is Admin tel:
01273 487366 Admin fax:01273 487576 www.wnas.org.uk

Good luck.

I have also just bought the Barbara Currie yoga video with very good intentions!!

Tigermoth · 04/04/2001 12:40

Marina, Rat, Ditto working. Ditto weekends. Ditto no 'me-time'. Ditto less-than-idyllic child-time. Ditto hisband with his own agenda. Rat, I have a similar age gap to cope with - a 20 month toddler and a nearly 7-year-old.

I can't tell you the number of times I've lost it. And I'm known for being laid back by nature. Going on his previous girlfriends, my husband is amazed how little my menstrual cycle affects me.

Yet there I'll be, knowing it's not going to work, already feeling bad about it, with my face two inches away from my son, screaming at him to put his trousers on. Flying round the house, looking and sounding like a banshee, getting us ready to go out. Late as usual.

My husband, much louder than me and far more highly strung, is getting concerned about the effect of my outbusts on our sons. Not to mention what the neighbours will think.

Avoidance techniques are as follows:

Each week at work I try and picture the sort of weekend I want, my mind. eg Saturday local mooching about, Sunday sociable, outing in the afternoon. Then make the plans,the phone calls as necessary. So I'm not phoning the swimming pool about opening times on Saturday morning while my toddler is trying to bite through the telephone flex.

For me, going out with my sons is a real stress buster, whether it involves a 10-minute or 2-hour journey. Stops me feelng claustrophobic and helpless as I see the house disintegrating under the litter onslaught of two children. Can't do the housework because the children need atttention? then run away from it. It can't get any worse in your absence, that's my feeling.

Again this is me: before children I loved to go out and explore. And I hated being part of a couple or group all weekend. I needed space alone. I rember being horrified to hear a friend with one child wistfully say how she hadn't been to Covent Garden for years - how could she go with a child on tow? To get some 'me-time'ánd sense of control over my weekend, I take my children to places that I want to go to, and would still go to if I was childless.For instance, if I really want to get a cheap fix of clothing at H and M in Oxford Circus, I still take them there and then go to Hamleys with them afterwards. These outings are usually not stress free, but I'd rather be a nervous wreck whose done something for themselves than a nervous wreck who hasn't. And being in public puts a natural brake on my most extreme shouting behaviour. I'd be locked up for a start!

Organising babysitting for an evening really breaks up my weekend, when we can afford it. It is an oasis to look forward to. The anticipation alone is worth the money.

Also, I've found that for me, too many social engagements with parents and children is bad news. I feel socially bombarded, with my attention split too many ways. I try for at least one lazy stay-at-home morning to chill out alone with my children.

And lastly, I never rely on my husband to come out with me. Much as I love him, we rarely like to do the same things during the day over the weekend (and never have) and forcing him to do something with me and the children would raise my stress level no end!

I can echo an earlier message posted by Binza.I don't want my children to think of me as that woman who just shouted at us all the time. But I'm finding it hard work to ensure that this doesn't happen.

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Jac · 04/04/2001 13:16

I must admit, I flipped a bit yesterday tea time. I didn't realise myself until I checked the calendar that it was PMT.

The children were farting about with their food and I lost it. Luckily hubby was there to difuse the situation and later he said to me what was wrong earlier? I only have to say the word PMT and he understands. Although it hasn't always been like this, similar to Debster I agree talking with them helps so you only have to say one word rather than going on and on about how you feel. At other times we talk at length about my feelings and this really helps my head but at PMT time forget it.

Binza · 04/04/2001 13:25

Marina, I have to thank you for making me laugh out loud today. I read your message about the garden full of hidden and not so hidden dangers that your too pre-occupied hubby doesn't see and it struck a chord with me. Men seem to have a knack for being oblivious to the consequences of not doing something e.g. if he/she doesn't go for a nap now then they'll be the devil incarnate in precisely two hours time. I remember letting my husband organise everything for a short break away with the kids only to find when we arrived that one daughter had nothing as her bag had been left at home. As I've said before I'm a control freak for that very reason - if I do it then I know it's done. The downside to that is you end up so stressed out 'cos you try to do everything!
You really should take some time out for yourself though. Even if it's only locking yourself in the bathroom for an hour with a glass of wine, deep bath and a good book. I agree with Tigermoth about the shopping trips not being stress free but at least a small part of it is for you. Being in a public place also helps me to curbe my need to yell and scream at the little darlings when the
dreaded word no has been given to them and a full blown strop is imminent.

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Tigermoth · 04/04/2001 13:29

Sometimes wish I could put my outbusts down to PMT, but I've checked the calendar and there's no rhyme or reason - and I don't really 'lose it' with my husband or anyone else. I think it boils down to me still coming to terms with my loss of independence. I loved being without children (and was until the age of 35). Had a ball!

Having said that, I love them to bits and most of the time I think I am pretty calm, controlled and positive in the way I handle them. Will just keep working on the times that I am not.

Tigger · 04/04/2001 14:23

Why do men think that your hair being in the vertical position and foam coming out of your mouth, is the correct time to say "how are you feeling?". At that point extreme care must be taken not to be in the vacinity of any sharp or blunt objects!. They seem to have a knack of not noticing the obvious, our son is and can be a little st, as in he can have me jumping in 3 seconds flat, and if you say he is being really horrible, the reply "oh I know, you don't have to tell me", garbage, garbage. Men have an anti "woman on the warpath" device fitted at birth. I know I am worst at around day 21, as in today, I feel like a raving banshee today, even managed to fall out with the food processor whilst making soup this morning, and I think my reference to it was that it was a complete b*d of a machine, obviously designed by a man!. Bought myself a Dyson hoover the other day, what an excellent purchase, seeing all the dirt and various other bits of farm carnage in the hoover is very theraputic, what was the comment "and how much bloody money did you spend on that thing", thing, cheeky shit although my language was very much stronger, completely unrepeatable. We now have the cleanest house in SW Scotland, and when I bought the Dyson, it was a pink one, it is this colour because it is called the Meningitis Dyson. For every pink Dyson sold, Scottish Power are donating £5.00 to the Meningitis Research Foundation, and I felt a lot better after that. Why is it that at this time of the month, I could kill him everytime I look at him, smoke myself to oblivion, mug someone for a bit of chocolate and get done for road rage. After last months incident with the heating Oil/Tractor Diesel firm, I spoke to my mother, her advice was Evening Primrose Oil and Vitamins everyday, so I have spent a fortune and started, obviously not soon enough!. The incident with the Heating Oil, got a really uppity bitch on the phone saying that they would only deliver if there was someone at home, because of the F & M, so that we could disnfect the lorry wheels. So, I said if they phoned before they were coming that would be ok, waited 5 days, phoned the wicked witch back, she said that they had tried for the previous 3 days to get in contact with us,we had been at home and we have an answering machine and 2 mobile phones of which they have the numbers, and as they hadn't been able to speak to one of us they had cancelled the oil. Balistic, completely balistic I went, even threatened to shove the pipe from the lorry up her arse, we did of course get the oil the same day!!, and 1p per litre off the price. I have now vented my wrath here, time to attack the potatoes with the scraper, now where have all the sharp knives gone ............

Bells · 04/04/2001 14:28

Tigger - that is one of the funniest things I have read in ages. Especially the bit about the pipe from the lorry...

Emmam · 04/04/2001 15:13

When it comes to meal planning for our toddler, if I'm not around to tell hubby what to cook for him, he just opens a tin of beans. Somehow I manage to give him something different everyday, involving rice, potatoes, chicken, pasta etc - leave hubby and son together for 2 days and all they eat (the pair of them) is potato waffles, bacon and postman pat shapes. Still, not as bad as a previous boyfriend who thought nutrition was a packet of Smash - am I glad I didn't marry him. At least the one I've got is reasonably thoughtful - he brought me a mother's day card to send on behalf of our child, but lost it, so he felt guilty and brought me a bunch of flowers. I was touched when he said he got them from the same garage that he brought some for his mother and said that I definitely had the better bunch. Cheers mate.

I registered with the telephone preference service today (0845 0700707)to stop getting junk telephone calls - because I fear next time someone from Zenith double glazing calls I could be arrested for an obscene phone call. And don't get me started about British Gas...

Gpb · 04/04/2001 16:08

To Emmam & Tigger - God bless you both. Your messages made me laugh out loud on a day when I need a good laugh. My 9½ month old has decided without consultation with Mum & Dad to start waking up every night at approx. 10pm to play. If Mum & Dad decide not to play and to attempt to put her to bed again after a swift nappy change/bottle - the little darling goes balistic. 2 - 3 hour screaming sessions commence with Mum/dad tearing out hair and getting stressed out.
This new behaviour has only continued for the last ten weeks, every single lonely night.

I have convinced myself that it will stop as swiftly as it started - fat chance.

The messages that I have read today make me realise that being a mum is a tough job, that I'm not suffering alone and that I should stop being a prisoner in my own home. Tantrums permitting, I will start taking her to swimming, I will meet up with old friends for lunch and I will achieve atleast one thing everyday.

How did I manage a full time job before this?
This is a very useful website - good luck to all other parents, you are not alone.

Tlb · 04/04/2001 16:14

Tigger

I agree with bells - that was the funniest thing I have read in ages - maybe you should do stand-up on day 21!

PS I am on day 4 so I am feeling pretty OK at the mo, give me another 10 days and then see!!

Good luck with the evening primrose etc. And if they don't work you may find you get tremendous satisfacation from flinging them across the room (violently of course) and watch them being hoovered up with your lovely new Dyson!

Suew · 04/04/2001 16:28

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Rhiannon · 04/04/2001 18:27

I know I've banged on about this before but we all need a break sometimes. So before college breaks up on Friday, get in touch with your local one with a Nanny course. These nannies need work experience preferably with two children and one needs to be under one. Get on the phone and you could have some free help after Easter for two days a week. And you might find she's also interested in babysitting. Good Luck.

Rhiannon · 04/04/2001 18:37

I once went on a Positive Parenting course (ask your Health Visitor) which was brilliant. Just common sense really but made you realise that when you say things like "what on earth do you think you are doing" to a toddler they have no idea what you are talking about. Praising good behaviour and talking about your own feelings ie Not saying "you're a horrible boy" but "Mummy feels sad when you do that, please stop it". It sounds ridiculous when you type it but it's worked for me and it was 5 years ago!

I'd recommend putting a toddler that's driving you crazy in the bath for 30 minutes. You can have a coffee and calm down while you watch him play.

With my older ones I try and check they don't need anything before I leave the room otherwise
they're after me within 30 seconds!

He's torturing her in the bath at the moment so I'd better go and take a look!

Sharli · 04/04/2001 19:18

Like everyone elser,these messages have had me in stitches - especially toddler biting through telephone flex! Been there ..... It helps so much to know you are not the only one who feels Social Services will be knocking on the door any minute as neighbour has reported a manic woman shouting at her children. Glad to know that the starflower oil has worked for others too - Day 8 since I started it and no sign of the banshee.... Keep up the messages, they are funny, comforting and inspiring too

Lizzer · 04/04/2001 19:32

Am definitely getting some of this starflower oil everyone's on about, can't believe it really does work!
I too am having bad day as toddler tantrums are just starting ( she's only 15 months, aarghh! )but it's funny how the onset of bedtime brings with it a deeper sense of tranquility and the thought that maybe, just maybe, tomorrow won't be quite so bad / stressful / embarrassing / loud / dribbly *delete as applicable!!

Mmmmm.... now where's that bar of galaxy and corkscrew!!

Hedgehog · 05/04/2001 12:29

I frequently feel that I am the archetypal bad mother, I'm in the process of divorcing, I work and I occasionally have bursts of temper, especially when my children are being particularly demanding and I am more exhausted than usual! Recently I started decorating the house as I found this to be a very positive way of venting my rage and frustration, and bright yellow might not be eveyone's taste, but it makes ME feel sunnier! I find that doing something physical helps to vent the pent-up anger, like gardening or rearranging furniture or slapping paint on walls.

Kathmary · 05/04/2001 12:46

Me and other Mum friends have discussed our "exorcist" demon voice - this is the very very quiet deliberate one that is so much more scary than shouting. I find that there are flashpoints when the children are demanding things right left and centre - and either the demon voice comes on, or a massive shouting fit. Quite scary for all concerned. However, I tell myself it's life's rich tapestry (that old piece of material again). The kids need to know that people get arsey, upset and cross and it's not the end of the world - as I used to think as a child. I always say sorry and explain why I've lost my temper and that a lot of it is my problem and I ask for their forgiveness. Let's hope that's OK or maybe I need to start saving for their therapy ......

Tigger · 05/04/2001 15:03

Well today has been an absoloute joy NOT !!!!!!, travelled 60 miles with 2 children one husband scratching all over (he's allergic to the disinfectant for the F & M spraying of vehicles) ran out of fags, nearly killed someone to get a bar of chocolate and yes "can't you keep those wanes under control". Control the cheeky ......., as if they are solely my children. We were going for a load of hay, it was like an outing from Drivers From Hell and Families from Hell combined. Son jumping about like the electric eel, daughter behaving like a Super Model, "he's made my trousers dirty" or I can't see. Aghhhhhhhhhhhhh, never mind ER is on E4 tonight, time to gag the children in bed, sedate the worse half (whisky), have a roaring fire on and unplug the phone.

Where can I get this Starflower that you are all talking about, can I get it in Boots?

HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

Tigermoth · 05/04/2001 15:22

Kathmary, your quiet demon voice sounds brilliant. And I know that talking quietly is far more effective than shouting. It works for me too when I do it. But why do I still resort to a screech when I reach my wits end? I hate it even as I do it.

I console myself with the fact that now my sons have seem me lose it sometimes, when I say to them right up close, in my quiet demon voice 'do you want mummy to lose her temper?' it is enough to give them pause for thought. Power!

May the force be with you.

Tigermoth · 05/04/2001 16:10

Tigger oh yes - 'Can't you keep those children under control' spoken by husband to wife is a real red rag to a bull.

Mine does the same in similar circumstances. Car journeys can bring out the worst in people young and old, can't they?

Hope you have a lovely evening...

Emmy · 05/04/2001 20:04

Brilliant messages everyone, esp as always Tigger. Kathmary Im going to practise my quiet demon voice tommorrow! Good idea.
it makes me feel so much better to know that Im not the only one who cant always keep control of my temper, I honestly thought it was just me!

Emmam · 06/04/2001 07:43

Last night for tea I gave my son coco pops, a banana and a bag of Wotsits and you know what - I DON'T FEEL GUILTY ONE LITTLE BIT.

I was absolutely knackered, my throat was sore, and I was all alone as hubby was working a late shift. So I thought, sod it, tonight is crap meal night.

I also kept him up half an hour later than usual so I could watch who shot Phil Mitchell and scrimped on the bedtime story so I could veg out in front of the telly.

This morning he slept in for an extra half an hour, so I stayed in bed too.

What a fantastic evening and what a great start to today. I think I'm going to give up trying to be 'super-mum' and concentrate on being 'it'll-do-for-now-mum'. Coco Pops have got added vitamins, so what the heck. Broccoli tomorrow...

Marina · 06/04/2001 08:59

Thank you Emmam and Kathmary for liberating me from the jolly, let's eat our tasty broccoli mindset I have got myself into lately. The demon voice I tried in the bath last night with immediate impact and in your honour emmam I gave him a small Milky Way egglet (a present from his nursery which is normally so stalinist about chocolate on their own premises, cheers girls) for breakfast this morning after he had yowled for it for about 15 minutes. He did have porridge too...

Sml · 06/04/2001 09:11

Broccoli produces one of two reactions in my children. Either they totally ignore it and if I put some on their plates, they put it back in the dish, resulting in a huge pile of uneaten broccoli, or they love it, it's the best food in the house and there isn't enough in the dish to satisfy their appetites - leaving Mummy fuming at the missed opportunity to fill them up with broccoli. Unfortunately there is nothing to tell me how much they are going to eat when I am actually washing and cooking the stuff.

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