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GeorginaA · 18/05/2004 16:36

Have we got enough that I can officially open this thread yet?

How are your little ones doing prufrock, twiglett, snowbird?

I think mine is going down with jaundice. Dh isn't convinced, but it's either that or he's got a lovely tan sigh. I remember all the stress associated with that last time with ds1... hoping ds2 doesn't get it as badly.

He's still being a very sicky baby, about a couple of teaspoons a few hours after each feed (which is odd - I'd have thought if it was a reflux type thing it would happen immediately after the feed?) Midwife seems to think it'll settle after the milk comes in but if not then we'll look at some sort of baby gaviscon. Poor little mite, can't be comfortable for him... and we're sure getting through a lot of laundry!

Feel so bloody knackered at the moment, fed up of bits leaking and being sore, and it's only day 2! How long is it before you start feeling human again? Please tell me that it's sooner than the 2 week paternity leave dh gets!!

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GeorginaA · 24/06/2004 19:36

Reminder to self: beg for c-section next time around

I love the Baby Whisperer - ace book! Love all the descriptions of the different cries and signs too... so useful.

kbaby - I've just read a book (well, okay, flipped through to the relevant bits to me - who has time to read cover to cover anymore?!) you may find useful called "The No-Cry Sleep Solution" by Elizabeth Pantley. It's got a variety of pick & mix sleep solutions depending on parenting style/situation and a lot of really useful information on how babies sleep.

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twiglett · 24/06/2004 21:28

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GeorginaA · 24/06/2004 22:14

I preferred your first version ... was imagining them one day opening their eyes and thinking "hey... you know, this looks a bit different... where DID that umbilical cord go?!"

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spots · 25/06/2004 00:56

Kbaby my dd too has exact same attitude to being put down. I am sort of trying to trick her into discovering it's actually quite nice to lie on a chair... someone gave us this great fabric cushion with cherrystones in (yes cherrystones) which you heat up in the oven, but it never gets really burning hot. This will sometimes fool dd into thinking she is in a nice warm cuddle situation, while I run off, stick bleach in the loo, shave one leg and water the poor droopy hanging basket. By the time that's done she's realised and is angry with me.

Have to say i also feel slightly ho hum about Gina, but this is mainly because I have met some right old bible bashers of hers. I am interested to see how people on this thread use her.

We took her to Glasgow to see art school degree show today. She will sleep shockingly well for ages when out and about, then wake up when we get home really starving. I just wonder if it's a sort of innate self preservation instinct... making yourself easy to carry when your parent is out hunter gathering...? It's like flicking a switch.

Judd · 25/06/2004 01:28

Just popping in - feeling brave after drinking! - to say that we are using Gina and she is doing OK by us at the moment. However, we have huge 13lb baby at just under 6 weeks, and she seems to set great store by size and ability to fit into routines at the start. Only the last couple of weeks that he can stay awake for 1.5 hours at a stretch though, never mind 2 hours.

Linnet · 25/06/2004 02:28

dh made a stir fry for dinner on Thursday night it had a little kick to it but was nice and I thought nothing of it until he asked if it was nice and I said yes then he told me that he'd put a litle bit of tabasco sauce in it! Well you can probably imagine the nappies I had to deal with yesterdy, I didn't know a little baby could have so much poo lol Mental note to self don't let dh cook dinner for me again unless I'm watching what he puts in it.

dd2 will also sleep quite happily for a good few hours in her pram. But yesterday she seemed to spend a bit more time awake, probably because of that darned tabasco sauce but anyway when we went to get dd1 from school she was wide awake in the pram the whole time.

When we meet people when we're out they always say how sweet she looks, I tell them that's because she's sleeping usually spends the rest of the time screaming or wanting fed.

Today was a good day though she was very awake this afternoon and my cousins were round and she had her bottle then stayed awake for a good while afterwards looking at them all which was nice. She's also started to follow dd1 around the room, or try to anyway, she always turns towards dd1's voice if she's awake and dd1 gets all the smiles nobody else.

Spots I'm impressed that you manage to rush off and shave one leg, lol, I shaved mine the night before going into labour and I've never managed to do them since, lol

Had my first can of diet pepsi since dd2 was born tonight, been drinking water for 4 weeks and I'm so fed up of it, wonder how that will affect her tomorrow. Going to introduce another bottle tomorrow, dh's birthday is at the end of the month and the schools finish then as well so the plan is to have her on bottles by then so I can go out and have a drink with dh on his birthday.

well time for me to go give dd2 her bedtime bottle. Hope you are all well.

kbaby · 25/06/2004 12:51

GeorginaA you mentioned on my 'how to get babies to sleep' thread that you give a dummy and then take it away while hes still drowsy. How do you manage to do that. Every time ive tried its sucked in so hard that by the time ive taken it out shes wide awake and screaming for it again. Last night was a disaster. She got used to the dummy during the day and wouldnt sleep without it. For the first part of the night I was knackered and so give in and let her have it, but then spent the majority of the time putting it back in as she cried if it fell out. Then the 2nd half of the night I decided that she couldnt have it to sleep with which has resulted in her only sleeping in my arms and each time I layed her down shed scream to be picked back up. So as a result not much sleep was had in our household.
What do I do? Do i countinue to give it or not.

kbaby · 25/06/2004 14:40

wh smiths is making a fotune out of me. so far ive bought the gf book and now planning on the baby whisperer and the no cry book.

cat82 · 25/06/2004 14:57

wheyhay a breakthrough! dd is starting to look around at dp and me and actualy folowing sounds. Not sure if you know but I posted a couple of days ago a desperate mail which included me saying that dp was having a tough time bonding with dd. This seems to have improved since she became a little more alert
last night was awful though, think dd may have had a little tummy ache, and since we're trying loosly to follow GF's routine for 5 weeks, when we woke her for a feed she only sucked for a second then spat most of it out, then she seemed like she wanted it again when we put her down, and the same thing happened. She did seem to keep bringing up a lot of wind as well. The routine has now gone out the window, as she kept waking up every couple of hours last night to be fed when the tummy ache/wind past, in a stinking mood. And guess what, today she has been sleeping pretty much the whole time so far, somehow don't think we're going to be getting any sleep tonight!
Anybody else's baby's nocturnal?!

GeorginaA · 25/06/2004 18:14

LOL ... I know what you mean about bookbuying, kbaby - buy shares in amazon, I'm single handedly keeping them afloat.

Okay, I don't know if this is helpful, and obviously all babies are individuals, but this is our naptime routine. It took a few days of perserverance (and always doing the same thing) for it to start working well - I think it's the familiarity of the routine that's as reassuring to ds2 as much as the actual procedure.

About 1hr 45m after he woke (this is usually when he's most susceptible to sleep, but if he's showing signs of tiredness: grizzling, yawning, etc before then I'll take him up early) I take him up to his bedroom, pull the blind and the curtain shut (it's darker not pitch black though) and cuddle him on the rocking chair (just a bog standard wooden rocking chair - not one of those fancy things).

I switch on the white noise machine (it's got lots of options - brook, bird song, white noise etc... ds2 likes the heartbeat best so I use that), offer him the dummy, start rocking while he's sucking away. This sounds horribly exact, but it's just something that keeps me sane while I'm there to monitor time, not essential number! I count 50 rocks in time to the heartbeat sound then remove the dummy firmly so he knows it's gone. He's usually fairly well gone at this point. I then count another 50 rocks without the dummy to get him used to being calm without (when we started this routine it was nearer a 100 rocks of each to get him calm). If he starts fussing again, back goes the dummy - the goal is no crying as crying means wind, wind means pain, pain means no sleep.

After that, I gently lift him into the cot, tuck him in, thump the slumber bear to start the womb sounds (yes, I have two white noise machines! Excessive I know!), put the Cuski resting against his cheek so he can smell my scent and pull the chair closer to the cot.

I sit there for five minutes watching him so he knows I'm still there and he's safe before leaving (sometimes I leave after he's asleep, sometimes when he's awake and calm... depends). If he fusses or cries, I pop the dummy in and leave it in for five minutes or until drowsy whichever comes first then remove it and watch again for five minutes to check his calm and resting. Rinse repeat for each fussing, thumping the slumber bear every time it reaches its 5 min cut out! (the other white noise machine has a much more sensible 30min cut out).

It's rather time consuming, but it's getting quicker all the time now. Didn't even need his dummy in the cot at all this last nap, so the entire process only took just over 10minutes. However, I have been in over an hour some naps (noteably the 7pm one) but it's that or listen to him crying for all that time - which is better on the baby and your nerves?!

The short nap at 4pm it isn't worth the whole rigmarole so I either go out in the pram or let him sleep in my arms downstairs while ds1 and I watch a DVD together.

Hope that helps anyway. Almost certainly won't work exactly for you, but you may find some elements that help your little one settle a bit easier. Once you get them napping regularly it becomes easier as they're not overtired next naptime and settle quicker. I also found that some of the things (like white noise) weren't even remotely effective until after he'd had his second cranial osteopathy treatment.

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spots · 25/06/2004 21:34

Bloody norah georgina, I didn't know such routine was possible in an adult life let alone a baby one! I can see how it's reassuring to him, well done on that score... but will it not make it more difficult to break a strong routine, say if you go on holiday?

our lack of routine has meant that today dd slept for 4 1/2 hours while we took her to local fair thing. When she got back to the house her fontanel was visible and pulsing...which I know is a sign of dehydration. Are we bad parents? should I wake her up to feed her even if she's not showing signs of discomfort?

Actually we are such a bad advert for not having a routine. Last night dd would only feed for 10 mins each feed before crashing out, which meant that she woke up reliably one hour later, every hour. my nips are back to their bad old state again and I rea;lly thought that by now I would have achieved painless breastfeeding.

libb · 25/06/2004 22:21

Hello, we had a nightmare Saturday of non stop grizzling and waking/feeding/crying which started because he managed to be seriously sick all over his own face. Last night he finally wore himself and slept from 11 ish right through until 4, had a quick feed/burping and back to sleep until 7, then another feed and sleep until 10 ish. He was then awake until 12.30 and slept through until 5 (upsetting his Grandad who wanted him awake for a cuddle), he was then awake until 7 and is now asleep again. I know this is daft but should I be worrying about all the sleeping? I hate waking him and like the opportunity to get stuff done, but don't want to cause problems for DS or myself. Sorry Spots, the dehydration query made me wonder if I should've let him sleep for so long too.

Blimey Georgina, I really admire your persistence! I think I am more inclined to burst into tears and wonder who I can call.

Cat82, sorry for not mailing you back - will do it as soon as I can - promise!

libb · 25/06/2004 22:26

By the way, I'm not following a routine at all - letting him decide when to wake etc. Twiglett, does your DD feed often during the day? I see further down that she sleeps a lot too.

I am thinking about the Baby Whisperer book, but I am not sure I am cut out for Gina Ford (despite my sorrowful expression whenever I look around the house and see the mess)

GeorginaA · 25/06/2004 23:05

It sounds more convoluted than it really is, honest!! (first mistyped that smiley as grim .... hmm, a grim grin? seems oddly appropriate!)

As I say average settling time is around 20mins, shortest around 10. Worst ever was an hour. Dunno about the holiday bit - to be honest I'm existing on day to day survival!! The room isn't completely dark, so I don't think that's an issue, and the white noise things are fairly small and portable as are dummies... should be okay putting him to sleep in an unfamiliar place.

We also vary quite a bit already as at least one, more usually 2 naps a day in the week is in the car seat or pram where I settle him to sleep in it first (rocking the pram instead of rocking in the rocking chair etc) as we have to go out for one of ds1's activities during naptime.

libb - baby whisperer is ace, would recommend it to anyone who would like some structure without a full blown restrictive routine.

Re: the fontanelle, the pulsing thing is the veins just underneath the skin there... I saw it quite a bit with ds1 as well as ds2, sometimes even quite close to a feed. It is a bit freakish the first time you see it though, isn't it?!

If it's sunken right in and their mouths are dry then it's time to be a little more concerned. I'm sure that if they were thirsty they'd have woken and "informed" you.

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Bozza · 26/06/2004 00:43

I think my DD is fairly easy going (certainly a totally different experience to DS). I can take her wherever I feel like. Although sometimes being out too much in the day can cause trouble for her settling in the evening. At the moment she has a semi-routine of having a bath with DS at 7, then DH does DS's teeth and story while I feed DD and then try and settle her. Sometimes that works and she sleeps through until her next feed. Other times she needs re-settling when she comes into a light sleep (45 mins or so later) and this can be on and off for the rest of the evening. Tonight I think we've got away with once. Then she is feeding at 2 ish and 5/6 ish but seems to go down without even being settled (just a quick wind) after these feeds. Then she will sleep through until about 9. I think she's looking towards having about 3 naps a day (late morning, early afternoon and early evening - c. 5.30 pm) but don't think this routine will get established until after the holiday.

Problem is that the second night feed is followed by DS's arrival at 7 am which means I can't benefit from her sleeping until 9.

Egypt · 26/06/2004 12:50

bozza, your dd sounds alot like mine. she tends to finally get to bed around 8-9pm at the mo, and takes maybe an hour to settle if we are unlucky or has done straight away on the odd occasion. Last night she woke after 45 mins and actually had another feed. Greedy day yesterday! Then woke at 1am, 4am, 7am. Actually last night wasnt such a great one. the longest she has been between feeds at night is 4 hours. Daytime can go to 6! Scares me.

twiglett · 27/06/2004 00:22

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GeorginaA · 27/06/2004 00:30

Oh wow! The first smile, how exciting! I'm so looking forward to that...

I keep trying to demonstrate to ds2 in the hope he will copy me, but I think he just thinks I'm mad...

He has a horrible cold too. Poor little mite is a bit unsettled again tonight, mainly because he wants to suck, but has to keep stopping to breathe! I so wish I could have his cold for him so he didn't have to suffer - strangely I don't seem to have it... yet!

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Linnet · 27/06/2004 01:23

My dd2 has hollow legs! Honestly this child could eat for Scotland. dropped another feed today so we're now supposed to be on 3 bottles and 3 feeds from me.

Well, so far today she has had a feed from me, a bottle, a feed from me, another bottle, another feed and she's just finished another feed from me and she still has another bottle to have, if she wants it of course. The second bottle she had was a 4oz bottle, which is what she is supposed to get in accordance to her weight but she was still hungry and she took another 2 oz. Surely 6oz of milk is to much for her to have in one feed she's only 4 weeks old? And then 2 hours later she had a 15 mintue feed from me. I thought bottles of formula were supposed to do them at least 3 or 4 hours between feeds? Or am I imaganing this?

Maybe it's a growth spurt thing and she's more hungry than usual? Anybody got any ideas? or does she just have hollow legs like her big sister, lol?

And does anybody elses baby have a feed get burped, settle and then need burped again an hour later? I don't remember if dd1 did this but this is dd2's pattern at the moment anyway.

Linnet · 27/06/2004 02:52

dd2

don't know if that will work but there is a photo of dd2 on that page.

Linnet · 27/06/2004 02:54

yeah it did work

twiglett · 27/06/2004 12:06

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Egypt · 27/06/2004 12:47

shes gorgeous twiglett - how did you get that on the net ? will try