Is there any reason not ot have a 10pm curfew fo under 18s?

[TheHighwayCod]

reading abotu YOOF int eh times today

[harpsichordcarrier]

yes but "being out" is not the same as being in trouble....
I think the tendency now is for older people to look at teenagers hanging about and immediately assume they are up to no good.
whereas the vast majority of the time they are probably just hanging out drinking cider and smoking and snogging just like we all did and to criminalise them for normal teenage behaviour is just such a baaaaaaaaaad idea
and yes I did used to spend a lot of time in the youth court but that is still a tiny minority of teenagers
to put an assumption of criminality on a group of people and curb their civil liberties in this way just because of their age is ridiculously OTT
what if they wanted to go to the cinema?
or to a concert?

[saggarmakersbottomknocker]

Lol at peoples lives 'happen to them'...

so the good parents (and kids) suffer for the crap ones.

Curfew for the individual as part of punishment for a crime is fine by me though.

[runkid]

Thank you for the link cod. As you asked i have imposed curfews on my dd but she never came in on time even with a tag or police check and as she said "what they going to do nothing"

[TheHighwayCod]

thast a god point saggyarse

[NotQuiteCockney]

Hey, if we're imposing a curfew, let's put one on adult men. They cause most of the problems, surely? Don't let them out after 10, that'll fix most things ...

[TheHighwayCod]

cant we ahve a compulsory " cathcgin up on jobs you meant to do last year " order?

[NotQuiteCockney]

(I think there was a defacto curfew for boys in my neighborhood when I was a kid. Certainly I heard that if you were male and out wandering the streets past a certain hour, the cops would stop you, get your name etc, and check you on the computer. If you had a history, they'd beat you up. )

[foxinsocks]

there was a country who imposed a curfew on men for one night of the week (can't remember which one now - I remember the story in the paper). All the women said it was fab - they all went out and had a really good time while the men had to stay at home and babysit!

[harpsichordcarrier]

if you kept all the young men between the ages of 18-25 in side within the hours of darkness the crime levels would drop hugely.
if you didn't let them drive at all, there woudl be virtually no crime left
I think if you treat people like criminals, they are more likely to act badly, ime

[TheHighwayCod]

god yes i think it was MExico or somewhere

[colditz]

Because when I was 17 I had a job that kept me out until all hours.

Because you will get a 'rush' of 18 year olds immediately saying "Hah you can't tell me what to do any more" and going out and getting paralytic.

Because It is just like saying your town centre will not admit young children until 12am every day - it's curbing someone's presence purely because of their age.

Because your children pick your nursing home, never forget that.

You can kiss goodbye to teenage babysitters, the price of meals out will go up as they will have to find older staff, places like McDonald's will have to shut earlier

What about teenage mothers? You can't nip to the shop at night to get some milk. Even if you go in your frigging car!

Until the age for smoking and getting married and having sex is raised to 18, I don't think this government should have a right to tell 16 and 17 year olds to go home to mummy.

What about homeless 17 year olds, you going to arrest them for existing?

This country has bigger problems thann people being 16 and 17.

[NotQuiteCockney]

Maybe men should just have to pay a higher tax?

Or poor people? Do poor people commit more crime?

(In case it's not clear, I am just pointing out the absurdity of this whole curfew thing ...)

We do have some sort of a curfew locally I think - one street has a ban on groups of teenagers, after a certain hour, I think. Not sure what difference it makes, it's not a very nice street at night anyway.

[NotQuiteCockney]

Men's curfew was Colombia, it seems.

[lucycat]

it's the d**kheads who sit on our garden wall chucking beer cans at cars, who use branches from the field opposite to barricade the road who run over our cars, snap wing mirrors off that my dh would like to castrate.

[runkid]

I dont think that just because some teenagers break the rules it should affect all teenagers that would be grosely unfair but i do think there should be harsher punishment for the teens that continually break the rules and get into trouble. (this is only based on my own experiences with dd)

[harpsichordcarrier]

whether poor people commit more crime is a big question...
poor people commit more crime against other poor people and commit more burglary/muggings
but there is a massive amount of unrecorded, undetected white collar crime
e.g. if you nick some biros and post its from work = just a little perk
if you nick some tights from Primark = shoplifting
but it's exactly the same crime.

[NotQuiteCockney]

HC, ok, poor people get caught more. They should have a curfew for that, then.

[runkid]

But how are they going to make the curfew work who is going to police it and what deterent is there for them not to break curfew

[FrannyandZooey]

LOL, I was going out with a 23 year old when I was 16

I don't think he would have been too chuffed if I had to be in at 10 pm every night.

I was only 17 when I went to University.

This is one of the mentalist things I have heard for quite a while.

[tarantula]

I was 17 when I came to England to go to Uni. Would have been difficult for the police to send me home to Mammy and Daddy.

[LittleSarah]

I agree - madness! Maybe for the under sixteens but I went to uni at 17, the idea that I would have to be in by 10pm?

[hamstermunker]

Agree with Harpsi - if you treat people like criminals, they're more likely to behave like them.

Would be better if teenagers had places to go, but youth clubs get shut down by busybody tossfaces who think that anyone under 18 is out to mug them and pull up the plants in their gardens - well, the JP who lived opposite where we had our youth club thought that anyway and regularly reported us. And we used to get the blame for everything that got broken - until the BOWLS CLUB owned up to the broken hand dryer

Interesting it was a JP who used to complain about us being hooligans eh?

We used to go and have parties in a wood when I was younger - and take black sacks down the next day to pick up any litter we'd left.

[runkid]

I agree teens need places to go it would be good if they where asked about what they needed/wanted if they had a place to go and if it was free as many parents cant afford many of the expensive activities that are available

[NotQuiteCockney]

Look, if teenagers don't like it here, they can move back to where they came from! Bloody cheek!