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Spoonies... friendly support for anyone with chronic pain & fatigue

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Grockle · 10/04/2014 21:47

A lovely, supportive thread for those of us suffering with a range of illnesses & syndromes that cause chronic pain & fatigue, amongst many other things.

Lots of advice shared but also a place to chat & laugh with people who understand.

Spoon Theory Here

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Jojoanna · 13/05/2014 12:30

Hi beyond thanks for your reply

i have had xrays and bloods but apparently I am waiting to see the specialist nurse for counselling before i can then have another appointment to start treatment.
I know the wait is probably due to lack of specialist nurses.
Im just so frustrated and in a lot of pain and want to get back to work.

BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 16/05/2014 10:33

:( any luck yet jojo? Do you have a phone number you can check with?

Jojoanna · 16/05/2014 13:28

Yes hospital rang and apologised for delay said they had lost my paperwork? Anyway they saw me yesterday .

I'm going to take my first methotrexate tonight .

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BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 16/05/2014 14:45

Good luck! Did they give you all the weird advice like sleeping on your front? It doesnt agree with me, but I know loads of people who it does work for with no side effects, so hopefully you'll be one of those :)

Jojoanna · 16/05/2014 16:08

No they didn't mention sleeping on my front maybe I will try that. I am quite nervous about taking them. But hopefully I will be ok

NotCitrus · 18/05/2014 10:50

Couple questions: has anyone here applied for PIP or been on a pain management course?

I sent off the PIP1 form recorded delivery at the start of April, and figured the long PIP2 form would come pretty quickly. Nothing yet. Is this normal? Do most people do the PIP1 over the phone? My friend got me to write up answers to all the PIP2 questions so they're on my computer ready to go, but I keep having problems and then thinking "another thing to put on the sodding form".

The pain clinic consultant has suggested a few more drugs and doses but suggested a cognitive pain manag course at the hospital. Which sounded good until I realised it was 9-5, 5 days a week, for 4 weeks! I can't believe there's that much I can learn after well over a decade of crap. I get an assessment to discuss, but would be good to know if any other chronic pain people found such things useful.

And so much for getting through hospital exercise course without injury. Turns out my pelvis hates lunges.
Probably over did it yesterday but had free babysitting for a friend's party just up the road so seemed foolish not to, but was very noisy and had to stand lots to lipread/hear people, even with being offered the sofa a lot.

BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 18/05/2014 13:32

Pain clinic referral is on my to do list (its about a page long) for when i see the gp Grin

You've prob already seen i got my pip answer up there ^ to give you an idea of timescales for it, i applied last july...!

NotCitrus · 18/05/2014 20:45

Thanks Beyond. I did see the bit that said they try to assess claims within 40 weeks, or 16 weeks if you are likely to die within the year... Figured the first form was merely a formality, seeing as I'm British, not been out the country in 5 years, etc.

Read pain consultants letter back to my GP. Sort of a relief to have all my issues summed up by one person (the painful ones at least) , but also pretty depressing.

candycoatedwaterdrops · 20/05/2014 22:53

I've not been offered a pain referral. I kept getting told that when the disease gets under control, they are hoping pain won't be an issue. Hoping being the operative word! AND while I was waiting for it to get under control, it's wreaked havoc on my joints and now I have damage and nothing much can be done about that. Sad I do feel like my pain does get brushed over in rheumatology clinics, they focus on bloods, scans and visible observations but my reports of pain seem to be of little consequence to most. Can anyone else relate?

BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 20/05/2014 23:05

Definitely candy. Crippling pain in back, xray clear, mri clear, and the letter says "hopefully next time we see you the methotrexate will be working". That isnt solving the problem! You havent even established what the problem is. In fact, that isnt even true, it was you who diagnosed me with hms, yet youre so determined to ignore your own diagnosis and focus on the psa only!! Argh!!! /rant

:(

CFSKate · 26/05/2014 08:04

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BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 29/05/2014 21:45

Fyi, the next person who asks why i dont learn fo drive now i am getting a motability car will get a poke in the eye. What part of "the dvla will not let me drive because i faint about once a month and have dizzy spells daily" is hard to understand! This isnt new news dad, I've been fainting for 14 years!!

candycoatedwaterdrops · 31/05/2014 17:50

Is anyone here on Tramadol? From 10th June 2014, it will be classed as a controlled drug that cannot be prescribed on a repeat. You can only have a 28 day supply and must return to the GP for another prescription.

I have a (prescribed!) stash for emergencies so this won't apply for me but it may cause an increase in GP appts. Can surgeries cope with this demand, I wonder?

BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 31/05/2014 20:18

Not me, i did have it on repeat but it doesnt do anything for me. Tbh i'm tempted to give up on the official drugs as they all do sweet fa, and get in touch with the local dealer!

magso · 02/06/2014 09:38

Ds needs a controlled medication (not tramadol), but I don't have to see the GP every month to get the repeat prescription - just request in writing. I hope that's not about to change! Its a chore as it is.
Anyone else low carbing - have you found it helpful? I thought it was helpful at first ( possibly due to eating no grains/gluten) but now I am not sure. I suppose I am always looking for baby steps towards being more able/well.
I was very worried I would not be allowed/ able to drive but by the time I saw the cardiologist familiar with POTs I was very much better, and don't faint unless I do something energetic- like walking too fast! It is annoying when people don't understand. I can drive (although for a couple of years I rarely could)- but I am limited on how long I can drive for and what sort of driving. Having ds in the car with me more than doubles the speed of exhaustion for me!! I have scratched the car several times when he has got too noisy for me to cope with simple parking!! I know excuses excuses!

BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 04/06/2014 11:38

I was marginally better, severe dizzy spell sort of once a week and fainting every other month. But since i started the methotrexate (although possibly a coincidence, guess i wont know till i stop taking it) i'm having severe dizzy spells every day and have fainted three times in nine weeks (i think. Need to start writing it down again if im up for new investigation. I'll add it to the list with my pain/dislocation diary and food in/out diary!)

murmuration · 04/06/2014 16:34

Thanks, cfskate, that's interesting. Although very hard to implement, I fear.

I find it so frustrating that even DH, who has worse CFS/ME than I, can't respect my "energy envelope". I think I'm better at being aware of my energy levels than he is, so like yesterday when he mentioned about a fair this weekend that he might be able to get a few scarce tickets to, I could tell he was disappointed when I responded equivocally -- that it sounded fun, but if I went, I wouldn't be able to do household things we're counting on getting done in the next weeks, and that it broke my 2-weekends-in-a-row rule, as I did stuff last weekend and have stuff planned for the one after. And I also mentioned that I thought I had overdone it this weekend, but I wouldn't know until Wed afternoon. Unfortunately, now I know and I did :(

I think he wanted me to be enthusiastic about this chance to go to the fair. I imagine if it were him, he'd be enthusiastic, but then get to that morning and say he's too tired and not go. But I know I'll be too tired, so I can't summon up imaginary enthusiasm for something I know I shouldn't do. I do tend to do what I plan, and I don't think I can change to his pattern. I hate that I am always raining on his parade and being so negative about doing stuff.

But I'm doing too much already and really can't do anymore. It's already a fight against my own inclination to do fun things and things I enjoy, and it makes it even harder to also have to face his disapproval of my need to conserve energy. I guess that even though he is sicker than I am, I work full time and he isn't working at all now, so he has much more "home energy" than I do and I'm always the one saying no.

Sorry for the complaining here. But it's just been getting to me, and my head is so fuzzy now I'm completely not capable of working.

And then that article really hit a nerve. Does anyone who works have a way to manage it? This bit:
"I took about a week off of work, and then went right back. And I kept showing up to work even though I was so tired that I had to put my head down on my desk for ten or fifteen minutes at a time, several times a day."

really struck me, as that sounds like me, except I never took any time off. I have told people, and have asked for a small reduction in responsibilities, but which is unfortunately to offset a larger increase. I just don't see anyway to limit my working unless I truly am incapable, as the culture just doesn't accept that. But I don't want to end up worse, as like the article's author, I feel I have a mild case now.

Anyway, how is everybody else doing?

BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 12/06/2014 18:57

Have an infection under my arm so went back to my gp again , now have an antibiotic cream for that.

And i have new pain relief to try. I'm on my first go of morphine. Which i find kind of scary. Have to write down my daily doses (oramoph for now) v carefully and go back in a few weeks to sort out some SR tablets.

BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 12/06/2014 18:59

Going to download tomorrow, so two days into taking it, and i'll be stopping for the weekend. Figure taking a huge bottle of morphine to a music festival isnt a great idea. Especially if i cant get a locker, as i couldnt carry it, nor could i leave it unsupervised in a tent.

Islander124 · 13/06/2014 14:14

i have PSA, AS and a host of other things including bipolar and underactive thyroid... we are flying to egypt in october with dd who will be 2.i cant wait for the holiday but dreading how many of my spoons the actual journey is gonna take :(

CFSKate · 15/06/2014 16:19

Let them eat cake – advising the ill

Grockle · 15/06/2014 20:18

Posting to mark my place as I lost this thread a while ago. Will catchup later. Hope you are all ok

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magso · 16/06/2014 11:12

Hi Grockle, hope you are doing OK.
How did the music festival go Beyond? There should be priority for you for a locker. If not perhaps the first aid people could help with safekeeping?
Hi Islander, and welcome. Not been to Egypt. How long is the flight? I hope you can rest up when you get there. I find it helps to make to pack lists and then nearer the time little piles, because my brain fog gets worse in the last few days before a trip.
Murmation sounds like you know your limits well. That article was spot on. I know I tried to do too much in the early days ( and still do if I get too enthusiastic or feel obligated), and even now the physio I am seeing for my back pain wants me to come up with a exercise plan to strengthen my muscles and I really don't think she understands CFS so I will go back and say that at present I can only hold my own, or build up microscopically slowly. By the way can any one help me with an exercise plan? I was doing some low level pilates to build up my core to help my back, but the only strength exercise I do is- well- doing more in the house and walking further. It seems a shame to use spoons on exercise that achieves nothing but fitness. But slowly I am getting fitter, and having shorter rests, and stopping before my legs betray me!

I've had a few set backs recently but seemed to be just back steady - hopefully. The good news is I have added the spa to my leisure centre membership so I can use the steam room sauna and warm pool! But only used it once before breaking a toe so am waiting for that to mend. I know its a bit extravagant but as its a new facility I got a very special offer. I am hoping the steam will help with my breathing difficulties and warmth will unstiffen the rest of me. There's always hope. Also I have been lowcarbing (diet) and have today reached my target weight (the weight I was before I got ill). However I think I have lost muscle and gained fat so need to keep on a little longer.

Hope everyone has enough spoons today.