effects of CC

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i just found this review in amazon.. does anyone agree ... disagree? I have heard of Gina Ford but not Elizabeth Pantley

...Australia the Association of Infant Mental Health have issued a warning against the method of "controlled crying" which she advocates as it can lead to psychological problems!! Gina's job is to train babies, she has no interest in the child's mental or physical (scheduled feeds can lead to dehydration and failure to thrive) well being for the future. She just wants her money for her quick fix methods! She's not even a mother herself, just a baby trainer. Babies aren't meant to be trained, they need to be nurtured and loved and leaving a baby to cry until it believes it has been abandoned and then shuts up to conserve energy is not my idea of caring for a loved one! Dissociation and learned helplessness are not pyschological problems i wish to instill in my baby for the sake of a full nights sleep! This woman makes me so cross! I second the reader (dated the 7th of november) who suggests a far kinder book to look at - "The no-cry sleep solution" by Elizabeth Pantley. At least she has had children so has some idea what she is talking about!

I must say after reading my link below GF doesnt seem too bad and her tips on getting the baby used to the cot seem really good. She's clearly for making the babies life as easy as possible by preparing them for cc rather than simply leaving them to cry.

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Thanks Bloss

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No, maybe when a baby first starts crying, one minute will feel different to ten but after, say an hour of solid crying, screaming and vomiting, I think any amount of time waiting for attention must be torture to them. I think that's evident by the look of panic on the baby's face as you leave the room, ime.

Of course my babies have cried but really, very little, all told. (Apart from the time we tried cc, of course.) It upsets me too much, my stomach starts to churn even if it's someone else's baby. It's just a gut feeling I can't help. I think that's why I liked living in a country where a crying baby is actively frowned upon.

I had to chuckle at the statement 'people whose babies sleep have very little idea of the torment involved in babies who wake every 45 minutes or stay awake for three hours between 2am and 5am on a regular basis...' The other side of that coin is that people who have successfully used CC have very little idea that it simply won't work for all babies.

Thats interesting Bloss.

I did find some info about the warning at this site... have not looked at the PDF yet....have a look at \linkwww.mercola.com/2003/oct/22/controlled_crying.htm{}

My dd is too young for CC and I really want to know as much about it as poss b4 I would ever do it. I do get the feeling though when my baby is crying cause tired and wants to sleep that she would be happy if I took a hike.

My sister left her baby to cry the other nite for a whole hour and then she vomited (nearly 4 months) I guess it freaked me out as I do not leave my dd to cry. So the whole thought of CC is abit scary.

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But surely that's not cc leaving them to cry fot an hour? Isnt controlled crying controlled ie for a few minutes?

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gf on feeding

OMG i'm coming across as a gf fan.

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Suedonim, who here is saying it is a good thing for a baby to be left for a an 'hour of solid screaming and vomiting". Where did anyone say that cc would work for every baby? If your babies rarely cried and slept well, you are a very lucky woman indeed. No wonder you had four kids! I remember the woman at the baby sleep clinic suggesting I kept a record of how often my baby woke, fed and stayed awake during one night - and it covered pages and pages because he woke so often - sometimes after ten minutes of sleep he'd stay awake for over an hour, then sleep for 40 mins and wake for two hours etc etc. I felt crazed and desperate. I do find it upsetting to hear that I must have permanently damaged my son that that if only I was a nicer mum he would have slept well. He's now 2/1/2 and the loveliest, happiest, most affectionate child you can imagine. He hardly ever cried as a baby either - but I was on my knees.

Bloss, is it alright then to leave a baby this young to cry for an hour?
Just curious.
Is that cc?

what are people definitions? When is it no longer cc but babies left to cry or are the two the same?

I agree that CC is not leaving a baby to cry for an hour at all. Even though DD was 20 months when we did it we still built up, leaving about 2 or 3 minutes the first time, then 5, and then 10. Never got beyond that bit. Would never have let it get that far. CC has to be controlled by its very nature.

I think 4 months is too young for CC. Experts advise 6 months and I think it must be individual for each baby too. We used a form of CC to get ours to sleep at night (not if they woke up at night, but only when we put them to bed). We only started this around 8 months as far as I can remember. We tried earlier, but got a gut feeling that they were not ready. As a parent you have to use your instincts and common sense. When I hear about parents who want to use this method on very small babies, I do think there is something wrong with their expectations. I have heard parents of babies down to 3 weeks complaining that their baby doesn't sleep well at night, but this is is so normal. As a parent you have to expect a few chaotic first few months with little sleep.

Actually, I used to cry in the night a lot after about six months of solid sleep deprivation. I remember sitting up to feed him (he couldn't feed while I was lying down) and just sobbing with tiredness and despair. If my dh hadn't shared the load with me to what I think is a very unusual degree, I think I would have gone under. I found it very, very hard.

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I tried at 6months and it didn't work, but it did at 8months, even though he was waking just as often and for just as long.
I love, love, love being a mum but the thought of that all over again is chilling.

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Still not clear. Is cc leaving them to it or it building up to it ie a few minutes and so on until max 10-15 minutes. How does leaving a four month old cry with no checking for an hour the same thing?

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You misunderstand me, I meant that my baby was crying, screaming vomiting etc, Aloha! And that was with going in every five mins. In many ways, what was even worse was her condition next day, clinging, pale, babbgy eyes, and sobbing sounds even when she wasn't actually crying, iykwim.

I don't know why you assume I had good sleepers!! No1 was indeed a good sleeper, but it was all downhill from then on until No4 was just as you describe, waking every hour or so, long periods awake etc. But we survived and now she's older it's very evident that she simply does not need much sleep. Although she sleeps through, she has rarely had more than 9 hours.

Anyway, I'm bowing out now as this is bringing back too many memories of something I very much regret doing to my babe.