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Has parenting affected your mental health?

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NutsinMay · 26/05/2013 15:13

There seems to be a lot of links about Mental Health affecting your ability to parent but nothing about parenting affecting your mental health(beyond post natal depression).

Yet although there have been times in my life when I've felt low, anxious, possibly more than that, I've never felt as anxious, stressed, neurotic, controlling, irritable, occasionally close to the edge as I have had since having children. I have no desire to have a relationship or go out (beyond doing stuff with the children as they are always much easier when out).

I do work part-time and that provides some relief but I wish weekends were something to look forward to like they used to be pre-children. Now they are the most tiring shifts of the week.

Having one was fine and didn't change me or my life that much (and I had a high needs baby) but having two for me is a whole another level.

I am tired very tired. I've not had an uninterupted night's sleep for about 5 years so I think that might be a major contributor but I find the fighting between siblings, the noise, the whining, the whinging- the demands of "mummy" shrieked in stereo are occasionally just too much to bear. I sobbed in front of them this morning because I just wanted them to leave each other alone. I sometimes fear picking up by daughter from school as I just don't the energy to cope with the afterschool grumpiness/meltdown/rudeness.

I know parenting isn't easy and I'm full of admiration for those who have more than two, do it alone or unsupported or have children with complex needs.

I do hear stories of women locking themselves in the bathroom to escape their kids and I know a lot of women got by on valium in the 70s and laudenum in the 1870s(or earlier) so I know it's not uncommon.

But I'm wondering why there isn't more written about this? Is the stress etc actually doing damage to my physical health? Is it normal? Does anyone else think they are going mad?

Thankfully, they are out with DP this afternoon as I've been on the go since 6.

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Stripedmum · 11/06/2013 19:15

Oddbod my DS is the same. They need to create a new word for exhaustion.

I don't give myself credit though. My mental health is extremely poor but as silly as it sounds it's only now in linking it to the unrelenting nature of motherhood. I thought it was just me rather than an external factor but the truth is like curryeater says as mad or as mentally fucked up I feel it seems to ebb away when I have more than 20 minutes to myself. Hard at mo with bfing too. I feel I can never truly get away. I went on a jog last night and my DH sent me a text message asking where DSs water bottle was. I couldn't fucking believe it - I get half an hour to myself ALL day.

DH has to come home and literally scrape me up sometimes, like to tonight. He gives me pep talks but as great as he is he doesn't understand what it's like. I feel on edge all day and it's a miserable way to go on. I've got the baby now and DH has been getting DS ready for bed and getting extremely irritates by his whinging etc - he gets it for an hour, I get it ALL day as well as the baby's physical needs bless her.

I fucking need wine. Desperately.

Stripedmum · 11/06/2013 19:16

Sorry for typos. I'm fucked.

OddBodd · 11/06/2013 19:41

It's so hard isn't it striped. I feel like DH will give me a stern talking to tonight....it upstes him when he sees me hit rock bottom because he doesn't understand what I find so damn hard about it all. What he doesn't understand is that he gets to escape for 9 hours a day. His life has carried along the same route it would have done before having the DCs. My entire life is completely stopped and been taken over by these 2 ,(beautiful it has to be said) unreasonable, people who make demands and whinge and cry no matter how much effort I make.

DH usually says something dead helpful like 'we've just got to carry on, it won't last forever.' Arrrgh, I KNOW there is no other alternative and that's what is so fucking depressing. It's just existing. Just surviving. There is no escape. I never get to switch off like he can at work. Even when I worked, I was constantly thinking about DS1 and was he OK, had he eaten, had he had a nap. Now we have DS2 and I have given up work, it's 24/7 and I feel like a failure because nothing makes DS2 happy. It's endless frigging crying and whenever I look at him he has his sad sulky cry face on and it makes me feel so deflated. DH seems to think that it's my job to enjoy it.... pah!

None of my mum friends feel like this. It's not even that they're lying. When I tell them how hard it is they just look sympathetic and tell me how amazing their babies are. DS2 is like noone elses baby and I know his endless misery is contributing to the depression but even if he was an easy baby, I'd still be bored shitless and irritated. Maybe I'm just not very maternal.

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Stripedmum · 11/06/2013 19:51

Honestly I'm exactly the same. I can't wait to get back to work in an attempt to make myself feel less insane.

Your friends are lying. Make no mistake about it. They are not confident enough to admit to it. Yes there are blissful moments - heavenly even - but they mostly pepper the shit.

I've just said I want to go back to work to feel more like my old self and DH veered toward snapping at me saying he'd like to be 'fucking five again but it's not going to happen'. Helpful. No idea I tell you. I realise I sound like a downtrodden whinging wife but it's true. If I'm close to
a mental break down he'd have had one if given the same set of circumstances. Ahhh and it was me who chose all this!!!!!! Fucking hell.

OddBodd · 11/06/2013 20:04

Yeah, that's the problem that just confounds all this guilt. The fact that we chose this life and we should feel blessed to even be able to have children. Blah blah blah. Yes, I do feel blessed that I am fertile. I do feel blessed that I have had 2 healthy gorgeous boys. BUT that doesn't stop me from wishing things were easier. Just wishing things weren't so damn impossible at least. Sorry your DH is about as sensitive as mine striped . I don't want to bad mouth DH because he is great with the boys. He really is a great dad and a pretty amazing husband BUT he just has no idea what it's like to have all the pressure of children on his own and the constant worry and anxiety. He works full time, yes I am sure he faces stresses and strains but he really doesn't understand that we do too. Only we don't get paid for it. We don't get dinner hours and we don't get days off. We don't get to clock out. He comes home and finds it manageable here because I am already here keeping things ticking over. The kids happiness and behaviour feels like if push comes to shove then it's solely my responsibility. It's me who feels crap everytime DS2 has a screaming crying fit over nothing. It's me who people come up to and ask 'what's wrong with him?' and it's me who has to fucking smile and make the excuse that he's tired or ill or teething AGAIN.

I just can not keep doing this. DH is asleep on the sofa after a 'hard' day. The boys are in bed. Once again I have no adult company and absolutely nothing to show for the day of hell I've just survived.

Stripedmum · 11/06/2013 20:13

Are you me?! You really sound like it!

I just come downstairs and the baby had no blanket over her and DH is sat watching shitty sitcoms with his beer. This is the kind of thing that's really starting to piss me off - I have to micromanage and I feel the overwhelming sense that's it's me having to have the constant underlying worry to keep them alive.

The other day we had the grandparents and friends around and so it was a bit of an open house. All I did was constantly make sure where the children were and if they were safe. If I just failed to do it DS would use it as an opportunity to run down the street.

happynappies · 11/06/2013 20:51

Am so glad I found this thread, I thought it was just me Sad. I've found that people treat me differently since having my fourth, which I don't really understand... I suppose on some level I understand - people think 'why on earth did you have four if you find it so difficult?' but you wouldn't say that to a person who had one child and found them difficult, and each child is different. It is my second child who wears me down to the bone, the third and fourth are a breeze!

So - I get a lot of relatives who think we've made our bed and can damned well lie on it, and won't help us out in any small way. So I totally agree, it is the monotonous relentlessness of it - I would love to be able to escape even for a few minutes. In fact, in the evening I often volunteer to drive round the corner to the Co-op to pick up a carton of milk or something - it feels like a holiday!! My Mum actually sat with my youngest two for 20 mins today while I dashed to get my ds from pre-school, and without the double buggy felt I could take on the world... well, I could get through the doorway un-encumbered anyway!! Then ds started howling and yowling all the way home, and I feel like I'm on one of those flat escalators at an airport, but instead of going forwards I'm sort of slipping backwards with all the things I should be doing but haven't done yet.

Exactly right that dh comes in to a relatively organised house because of how much hard work has gone on in the day - but there is no insight into how draining this is. I find the constant noise, the whining, the droning, the tantrums... the shrieking and shouting... it just wears me out completely. I often say to them 'Just let me think!!' while I'm, e.g.standing trying to choose a bag of apples or something equally mundane which a normal, sane individual could do in the blink of an eye. I'm fed up of telling people I can't think straight any more. And yes yes yes, I've chosen this, so that just makes me feel more guilty. And then they'll grow up and I'm worried that I'll regret either being 'cheated' out of this phase by this horrible depressive/anxious awfulness, or just that I've blinked and missed it - although at the moment that feels far from likely. Even if I slept for a year I don't think any of the 'challenges' would have changed remotely!! Anyway - here's hoping you have a peaceful evening, and enjoy that time away from the dcs.

OddBodd · 11/06/2013 20:54

Oh God striped maybe I am you and parenting has affected my mental health so much I am infact talking to myself! Grin

I sympathise with the worry about you having to keep them alive. We just got back from holiday last week and I noticed the whole time it was ME who had to pack drinks for the boys in the changing bag, apply sun cream etc, little things like this just don't enter DH's head because either he is clueless or he just knows I will do it. DH is now awake faffing on his phone while I have been cleaning the kitchen after dinner, making DS1's packup, cleaning DS2'a bottles, sweeping etc. He's had a nice little power nap and is now in 'switched off' mode. Arrrrgh. I could get angry but then I don't think I have the energy to. There'd be no point. It wouldn't change anything.

This is why I don't invite people over because it's me who has to keep the children alive AND entertain people while DH kind of gets to float around socialising and looking happy. I feel exactly as someone upthread said. I can see all my friends and family having fun. I try to join in their conversations but it's as if I can't get through. I am stuck. Trapped in a glass box where all I can feel is worry and my own sadness and failures.

OddBodd · 11/06/2013 21:00

YYYY Happynappies , that's exactly it. People probably wonder why on earth we had another child but like you it's our second that drives me mental. DS1 is a relative breeze by comparison. That said, he wasn't at the age DS2 is now. I seem to remember feeling fairly similar back then only I dodn't have to keep a front up for DS1 when he was a baby. I could nap when he did and cry in the next room and he had no idea. Now of course, the endless keeping up appearances and TRYING to have fun with DS1 while DS2 screams or moans at me is maddening.

Stripedmum · 11/06/2013 21:02

Happynappies! I went to Tesco solo a few weeks ago (yes a few weeks ago was my last solo venture out) and I felt like I was in Disneyland. It was amazing. This from a pre DC well travelled woman of the world. I came back home excited at my trip to Tesco. Jesus.

mummy2benji · 11/06/2013 21:02

Have just read all your recent comments and have lots of sympathy / empathy with everyone. I hope you are all feeling a bit better now that dc's have hopefully gone to bed. I have a glass of wine in my hand and am listening to weird music coming from ds1's monitor - on investigation he appeared to be snoring in musical fashion. Finally got him to sleep after his attempts at staying up for longer - "I need a poo" (he didn't), followed by trying to look out the window and slipping and banging his head. Hmm Threatened him with no swimming tomorrow and that seemed to do the trick.

It has been a bad few days here too. Dd2 has a cold and we have both been constantly covered in snot / dribble / poo. She cried allllll day Sunday and hasn't been a whole lot happier since. I find I can cope with her but end up losing it at poor ds1 instead. He's a sweetheart but very lively and can be difficult at times, but he doesn't deserve my snapping at him when I'm fed up. He asked me this morning if I was tired, followed by "and do you feel a little bit shouty?" Blush Ashamed and guilty but can only try harder not to lose my rag. I think part of parenting is the feeling that you are constantly failing and screwing it up.

Oddbod do please see your GP and have a chat about how you are feeling. Perhaps there are avenues you haven't explored. I am sure they would be happy to help you (I'm a GP and I would) Smile Same goes for you too happy At least be open with your GP about how you are coping and feeling and see what someone objective thinks. Yes parenting is extremely hard, and I'm not surprised you're run ragged with four dc's, but stress and generally feeling at the end of your tether most of the time can also cause depression and anxiety.

I have times when the kids have been at me constantly all day that I really feel quite unhinged and borderline insane, then once I've got them to bed and there is finally some blessed peace the feelings of insanity subside. Almost like the memory of childbirth - really quite awful, but once it's over and you're holding this cute tiny person you almost forget what the birth itself was like except with dd2 who flew out in less than 3 hours with her hand up by her face, she's grounded till she's 16 Like right now, I don't feel too nuts... whereas earlier when I had grumpy snotty dd2 screaming and fighting in my arms while ds1 sulked I was really feeling like jumping out the window and legging it off up the street.

Anyway, enough waffle from me. Hugs to you all and hope you're all hanging on in there x

OddBodd · 11/06/2013 21:04

I get excited if DH sits outside the supermarket with the kids in the car and I stride in quick for a bottle of milk. It's pathetic isn't it? What the fuck happened?!

Stripedmum · 11/06/2013 21:05

Grin at Oddbodd talking to herself on MN.

NutsinMay · 11/06/2013 21:14

"I have times when the kids have been at me constantly all day that I really feel quite unhinged and borderline insane, then once I've got them to bed and there is finally some blessed peace the feelings of insanity subside."

This is so true(sitting with a cup of tea on mumsnet in a quiet house is bliss) which presumably is what reassures most people that they are suffering from stress and exhaustion and not something more serious.

DH and I almost never argue when DC are asleep but when children are awake we irritate each other immensely.

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Stripedmum · 11/06/2013 21:14

Ha ha this is cheering me up no end!

Mummy2benji - you have it so right about the insanity subsiding once DCs are in bed. I feel exactly like that. I feel like I'm past help with my own strange worries and the effect stress has on me through the day and on a night with my glass of wine I feel human again. For me though it's coming to terms with the idea that I'm not mad - just temporarily whilst looking after DCs. In the midst of it I worry there's no hope for me.

Before DCs I honestly thought I knew what stress was. I had a really 'stressful' job with thought deadlines, mean bosses. I also have a chronic illness which is very difficult to manageon a day to day basis. But looking after DCs? Jesus.

It does make me wonder if this could be the real reason many women go back to work full time as I know we wouldn't be in a better position if I did due to child care costs. However if this level if torment ensues that's exactly what I'll be doing. I'm rapidly coming to the end if my tether and have had quite enough of putting everyone else's needs above mine.

Stripedmum · 11/06/2013 21:16

X post with Nuts!

I am not mad, I am not mad. It's my new mantra.

Stripedmum · 11/06/2013 21:38

Also when I talk to my mum about this she doesn't understand what in talking about...

NutsinMay · 11/06/2013 21:51

"Also when I talk to my mum about this she doesn't understand what in talking about..."

I'm lucky that my mum is very supportive( though I wished she lived nearer). She does empathise with my situation despite the fact that she "loved every minute of parenting". And yet I do know she went through some real hardships at times (financially as a LP etc).

Whether it's selective memory I don't know. She does say she thinks it's harder for our generation as we live in a more child-centred society. She didn't have any family support (and no toddler groups) but I suppose as a society people expected children to fit in with their parents and we were just happy to be observers at times. I was fascinated by adults and loved listening to their conversations, rarely tempted away by the promise of a video upstairs.

And my parents generation always seemed to be able to kiss their children goodnight and shut the door- children of that generation always seem to put themselves to sleep (is that selective memory again).

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Stripedmum · 11/06/2013 21:58

My mum is lovely and supportive - and really tries to understand but the while stressed to within an inch of my life thing she just never experienced. I think she was less of a mummy martyr if that makes sense? Like you say nuts - quite happy to shut the door. And it's had no ill effect on me...or has it and hence my current mental health situation! Ha!

Stripedmum · 11/06/2013 21:59
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meglet · 11/06/2013 22:18

nutsinmay I don't think children of that generation went to bed any better than ours do, I understand that Phernergan was an fairly acceptable way to drug them to sleep.

I was very lucky in that my DC's slept as babies, but my now pre-school DD raises hell every evening. She'll be the death (or sectioning) of me I'm sure.

Stripedmum · 11/06/2013 22:29

Yes meglet - I was in my own nursery from a week
old as mum couldn't bear the 'snuffling'. No monitor...maybe they had it right! No drugging mind I don't think

AHandfulOfDust · 11/06/2013 23:15

I've just found this thread & have sat here for two hours reading, gin in hand, in blessed relief. The timing could not be more perfect.

I never really wanted to be mother, never had the burning desire for children people talk about, never felt the need. I had a foolish first marriage very young & slipped off one weekend, never to return, the world was mine, I could do as I pleased & pretty much did, & it was fun, glorious fun & fulfilling & airy & bright & FREE.

& DH (2) along & we were so in love & made that stupid pact that people so thrilled with each-other & themselves often make, 'we're so perfect, so happy, so full of possibility & bloody life, just imagine, just think, think of the amazing children we will have'. We made lists of names, made love, made plans.

& lo, I was fecund, they popped out a breeze, I popped back into shape, they suckled like lambs & slept like cherubs.

So easy, so breezy, so perfectly me-sy.

Six years down the line, I am a shambling wreck of a woman, I realise I sold my life down the river on a narcissistic dream of perfect little mini-me's, who would thrill the world with their beauty & wit. It turns out I did get two little me's & I never realised what a pain in the arse I actually was. For that I thank them every day (when not feeling the urge to stick my head in the oven).

This thread has actually been a life-saver for me, it's been liberating & such a bloody relief to hear other people say this. I seem to be surrounded by a sea of seemingly perfect mothers who float through life in a cloud of fucking fairy-dust & endlessly picture perfect days, where the last rays of sun shine poetically through their mountain-side sausage cooks with their adorably grubby offspring & mama's always laughing in the (vintage) rowing boat whilst papa heaves manfully on the oars, (it's just Face Book, it's not real-life, repeat the manta whist sobbing , silently into the nearest alcoholic drink & ignoring the constant mama, mama, mama, ma mammmmmmmm blends seamlessly into the background of the endless washing cycles, feeding cycles, clothing cycles, cycle fucking cycles).

I once tried to share how I felt, thought we could laugh about the indignities & horrors, they looked at me as though Id suggested gently barbecuing the first-born with a few springs of thyme. I've shut up since then.

I did wonder recently if I was depressed, I decided I'm not, I'm just suppressed, which is different, but when they go to school & I lie in the bath, staring at the blank, white tiles, I wonder what became of me.

Oh & I think it was Shakey who said up-thread she freezes when her child runs off, I do the same, I stand there, frozen, as they career off to uncertain fate, caught in the moment of fear & indecision. I know I can't catch them, can't get there in time if they go flying down the hill & land in a heap. There's nothing I can do. Most of the time it's ok though. It's just ok.

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AHandfulOfDust · 12/06/2013 00:51

Getting strong, I COMPLETELY understand re going to bed late. I need time, I need to be me, I suck in those hours between their sleep & wakefulness. I'm a vampire, a night-crawler, I seek solace in the empty hours where I can smoke fags in the kitchen & drink tea or gin or any variation of.

I love the quiet. Not even a bird sings.

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