Cc is not working anymore as baby is standing in cot please help!

[Alabama100]

As title says. Dd was terrible sleeper up until 6.5 months waking every 1 hour on the dot a night. Hv suggested cc which worked fantastically. Dd was sleeping 10-12 hrs a night going in cot awake and sef settling until this week. Dd is teething a bit but when I hold her she is laughing and smiling so I think she is waking now out of hit.

Reguimg to be put down awake and stands in cot screaming hysterically. Dd and I managed 1hr 45 mins sleep last night all night.

Nothing is working and none of us can go back to how it was.

Any suggestions?

I have tried -

Walking out the room for a timed period (1 min) but dd is staining within seconds and won't settle standing

Staying in the room and putting her back down as soon as she stands. Lasted 3 solid hours of hysterical screaming before giving up.

Resorted to giving milk and rocking to sleep again (only for her to wake very 45mins again)

Pretty desperate.

Sorry shoukd read out of habit not hit

Bump.

You must be shattered.

Firstly, if it's only been for a week then could she be brewing a cold or something? She may go back to settling on her own again if you can bear it for a couple more nights.

Secondly, CC will work for a baby that can stand up in the cot. She obviously won't go to sleep standing up but eventually she will lie down by herself and go to sleep.

Good luck.

how old is DD now?

CC not recc for under ones

If she's teething she needs comfort

I thought it was CIO not CC that wasn't recommended for under ones?

I did cc when ds was 8 months old after getting sick of him not sleeping for more than 2 hours at a time for the whole 8 months of his life and it worked a treat, occasionally have had to repeat the process for example when we moved him into a bed from the cot.

I go back in and resettle him after 5 mins crying, no talking to him just lie him back down and tuck him in then leave and repeat 10 mins later, then 15 mins later and then repeat every 15 mins until baby is asleep.

Dd is 8.5 months old, I think CIO is not recommended for under 1s, cc is not recommend for under 6 month olds. I usually go in every 1-2mins and pick her up cuddle then put her back down.

But now she's standing she just won't tire and settle down. Before bed she has bath, story, bottle, calpol as she was quite teethy, teeth bushing, cuddle, then bed, so it's as relaxed as it coud be, then it all goes to pot. The first time round (at 6.5 months) she only cried for 8 mins in total with me going in every 1-2 mins.

Also raisin I have been comforting her all week but by allowing her to fall asleep in my arms has now made her unable to self settle meaning she wakes every flipping 1-2 hours throughout the night, which I think is more distressing in the long term for her as she is crying every tune she wakes, is horribly tired and exhausted.

She could well be going through a sleep regression... most babies have one around the 8 month mark. That coupled with teething probably isn't helping. I wish I had an answer. DD was shocking at this stage. I wasn't prepared to do CIO or CC so I co slept with her which wasn't always brilliant but resulted in at least a bit more sleep for us. I just rode out the storm and a few months down the line she settled down a bit. Their brains are doing crazy things at this age and I think all the activity just keeps them awake.

Sorry that doesn't really help you. Perhaps I can offer a strongly caffeinated ? :o

Thank you headfairy.

Good luck! I know it doesn't actually resolve the problem but knowing it's a normal part of brain development was somehow reassuring for me.

Stick with it, they often go through something like teething or an illness and need retraining. I'd suggest leaving for one min, go back and reassure, leave for two mins then go back in and reassure. Keep doubling until it works. If you keep going back every 1-2 mins she knows she can keep crying and you'll be back in a jiffy!, the trick is to lengthen it out with a pattern.

It's worked before, it will work again. As long as when you cuddle her she's not in distress or in pain (in which case tackle that), it will work.

Be firm and if you need support, try Angela Henderson's sleep book, it's very reassuring.

Okay so stuck with it last night, dd woke at 9pm, it was pretty tough and went on for about 45mins, but she eventually slept til 6am, had a bottle then nipped again til 8.30am....thank you for those who gave me support and advice.

Had the same with DS2 up every hour on the dot (10mths). Never did CC with DS1 but had to do something with DS2, so I left him when he first cried for a few minutes, then returned left for 5, then 10. never got past 5 minutes, only happened twice in the night for 2 nights and had slept through since (although only been a week!).

Hi dribble thank you....that's what I do too, is that not cc? I only leave for 1 then 2 mins though, do you think maybe I should leave the room for a bit longer?

Sorry, wasn't clear yes is CC, what i meant was with my first I couldn't do it/it didn't work or a combination of both.

I'm not sure about how long to leave them, with DS2 it was just guess work. He wasn't very very upset, was crying though. I would leave longer than 2 minutes though as the ideas is to increase. There is a guide to it on MN somewhere.

However do whatever your comfortable with, DS1 - nothing worked, but it did get better in the end and I barely remembered it until I had DS2!

There is no practical difference neurologically between CIO and CC - neither is recommended any more for under 1s.

A child that can just pull itself up to standing should never be left standing in its cot because at this age they don't know how to get down again and may well be screaming because they're exhausted and scared and their legs are giving them pain.

I'm with queen. I found when we did it with DS that any more frequent than 5 minutes would just make him more cross. It did take just a couple of days though and we have all slept much, much better since. (Can't remember when we did it. Perhaps 9 or 10 months? But we have had full nights' sleep since and are all much happier.)

ZuleikaD, tell me more about who doesn't recommend CC for the under ones. I'd like to know a bit more about sources of information.

zuleikaD I started ths thread for help, support and advice on this particular sleep training technique. I was NOT asking for your judgement or to be made to feel like I am damaging my child because my parenting differs from yours.

My health visitor advised me to follow ths technique after dd was waking EVERY 45 MINUTES THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT for 3 months solid. This constant sleep deprivation and interruption I am sure is far more damaging than CONTROLLED crying which involved timed intervals of going in and comforting baby. My personal way of doing it is to leave dd for 1 then 2 mins, then go in and pick dd up, comfort, cuddle,kiss and put dd back down once she is calm. Repeat until aleep.

CIO from my understanding is leaving baby to cry with no comfort.

Please do not make sweeping hurtful statements.

And FYI dd knew how to get back down from standing at 7 months 3 weeks.

My ds2 woke every single hour-2hours every single night for 16months. But you know, sometimes that is just what babies do. I made it easier on myself by co-sleeping so he could just help himself to the breast without really waking me up.

CC isn't really any different from CIO. Both are about leaving a baby to cry on it's own. Both raise the levels of the stress hormone Cortisol, and levels remain high even after baby has gone to sleep.

How about trying, PUPD or shhh/pat? Shhh/pat will mean staying in the room with her but you'll be able to keep her lying down by rubbing/patting her tummy/back etc then you can maybe try gradual withdrawal.

We did gradual withdrawal to get ds to sleep at the beginning of the night without the breast, and it was easy and stress free for all of us, even if it did take a little while longer.

Sometimes HV don't actually know what they are talking about and sometimes it's best to follow your own instincts rather than your HV, especially if they are giving bad advice like recommending CC for under ones.

Oh god, that first bit didn't come out as I meant it to, sorry.

I just meant that I personally couldn't do CC , in my mind ds was waking up because he needed something, whether that be comfort, milk, cuddles, teething, whatever and I found it easier for us to cover all those bases by co-sleeping.

FWIW after 16months of that he went straight to sleeping 12hours a night so for me it was worth it.

With all due respect, this thread was not started as an invitation to discuss the negatives of cc. If users wish to do this, please start up your own thread. I am very comfortable using cc and it has worked amazingly for dd previously, I was asking or help with the technique now she can stand up.

I would alo like to add I appreciate sone babies wake t night and not all sleep through, but waking every 45 mins is beyond excessive. Waking every 2or so hours is very different to waking every 45mins on the dot.

I am fed up if defending myself. If you don't wish to use this technique please don't! But I have and do when needed and would appreciate it if people here would stop using my threads to continuely press on about how damaging it is.

I believe a baby waking every 45 mins despite co sleeping, shh patting, holding to sleep, feeding to sleep, every thing imaginable until the age of 6.5 months is excess and I dd not resort to cc lightly.

Alabama, well done for sticking with it. Personally, I think it's much crueller for a baby to suffer months of sleep deprivation because they don't know how to get to/stay asleep for any length of time. I genuinely don't understand why people think this is preferable to a few nights of tears. When mine dont get their sleep, they are far more upset, unsettled and grouchy during the daytime. Hope your dd continues to sleep better.