Cc is not working anymore as baby is standing in cot please help!

[Alabama100]

As title says. Dd was terrible sleeper up until 6.5 months waking every 1 hour on the dot a night. Hv suggested cc which worked fantastically. Dd was sleeping 10-12 hrs a night going in cot awake and sef settling until this week. Dd is teething a bit but when I hold her she is laughing and smiling so I think she is waking now out of hit.

Reguimg to be put down awake and stands in cot screaming hysterically. Dd and I managed 1hr 45 mins sleep last night all night.

Nothing is working and none of us can go back to how it was.

Any suggestions?

I have tried -

Walking out the room for a timed period (1 min) but dd is staining within seconds and won't settle standing

Staying in the room and putting her back down as soon as she stands. Lasted 3 solid hours of hysterical screaming before giving up.

Resorted to giving milk and rocking to sleep again (only for her to wake very 45mins again)

Pretty desperate.

Alabama With all due respect

You asked for advice on a public forum. Surely you realise that not everyone is going to agree with CC and that if you're going to ask a bunch of strangers on the Internet for advice then you know you are going to get some you agree with and some you don't.

My advice was to PUPD or Shhh/Pat which IS preferable to leaving a baby to cry, comforted every few minutes or not.

And I said he woke every 1-2hours, that's not much different from 45minutes really is it. And I only told you that to reassure you that even the most terrible sleepers can sleep through the night naturally without the need for "training"

Anyone you can ignore all the advice on here if you want.

You carry on with CC which is clearly working judging by your op.

People, including me, we're just trying to give you other options becuase you know, you asked.

Xminerva yes I did ask for advice on a public forum and appreciate everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I did not ask for whether I should try cc or not, I stated very clearly I have used it previously and it worked for me and I was asking advise on what I should do in regards to cc now dd can stand up. I have no idea why people who do not advocate cc come onto such a thread to condemn it.

You genuinely seem nice and like you are trying to help me, so apologises if my time was curt but I stand by my previous post.

Sorry tone not time.

Yeah... There's no need for shittiness xminerva. I did not ask for anyone opinion on whether or not cc is damaging for my child. I was asking how to adapt it etc now she can stand.

Oh and to add, waking every 45mind is vastly VASTLY different to waking every 2 hours. Wen you have to wake every 45mins and walking around town in tears from sleep deprivation, a 2 hour sleep is like a luxury. I probably would never have tried cc if dd slept for around a couple hours at a time.

Alabama100: sounds bloody awful and no, 2hours is nothing like 45 minutes, holy shit

Our 8mo can pull himself to standing and plonk himself back on his bum when he's had enough, no problem, so I wouldn't worry about that, she'll only plonk down once to realise it's a comfy landing (sorry - that wan't part of your post, was it??!).

As someone posted earlier (I forget who, sorry) it sounds likely that it is a temporary regression, perhaps through teething. Have you thought of moving her cot into your room so she can feel your presence? Or would that make it worse? Does she have a night light? Has her napping routine changed during the day? Is there any way you could perhaps 'wear her out' with an extra-long bath, or more playtime during the day? Perhaps more solids? I'm a first-time mum so not sure I'm being very helpful - just wanted to show support as you seem to be feeling a bit under attack on here

Well said OP!

Thank you vamosebebe, gonna try the extra playtime suggestion and see if I can wear her out a bit more. Last few nights she's had a temperature so cc went completely out the window, lots of cuddles to sleep and co sleeping thinking maybe she was coming down with a bug and that's why she started waking again. Last night she fell asleep from awake and only woke once at 4.30am but self settled rest of the night. Once she's fully well again and no temp hopefully she won't wake at all at night again - fingers crossed!

Thank you jenner.

Alabama, we did CC according to the Ferber book and we didn't pick DS up at all. We did it at 7 months.

If I recall correctly, Ferber recommends NOT picking up. He also says not to lie the baby down if they are standing, unless you are sure they won't stand up again. Your DD will lie down of her own accord when she realises that she needs to go to sleep and that she can't do it standing up.

I think maybe your DD is a little confused as she's crying then gets a cuddle then cries then gets a cuddle. The idea of going back in during CC is to reassure them that you are there, not to actually provide them with comfort.

Clearly you're doing the right thing by having lots of leeway when she's ill, but I'd definitely recommend getting the Ferber book. Possibly called Solve Your Baby's Sleep Problems.

You can get it from the library. It explains the rationale behind CC and why it works when done the way Ferber recommends.

I seem to remember DS had a wee blip around 8.5 months, but it was around Christmas and he wasn't terribly well for a couple of weeks, so I put it down to that.

Also, the suggestion from Ferber Is to leave the following times:
Night 1 : 1st wake up 5 mins, 2nd wake up 10 mins, 3rd and subsequent wake ups15 mins
Night 2: 10 mins, 15 mins, 20 mins
Night 3: 15 mins, 20 mins, 25 mins
Night 4: 20 mins, 25 mins, 30 mins

I'm writing this from memory of a book I read 9 months ago though, so the timing might not be exactly right but it's pretty close.

Err, wake up should read "waiting period" or "crying period" in that last post. Sorry.

Thank you jolly, I think you might be right, I was basically mixing cc with pu/pd which worked great the first time we tried it 6.5 months but now it does seem to be confusing her. So basically when she cries and stands I should leave her for a timed period, then go in? When I go in, what do I do when she's standing when I go in her room? I've been putting her back down but she just gets up straight away.

If she gets up again straight away, what I'd do is this:

She starts to cry. Wait 5 minutes. If she is still crying hard Go in. Don't stay in the room for longer than 2 minutes - I found it easier to stay in for less. Talk to her briefly. We say "it's sleepy time now, DS". Go out again.

Wait 10 minutes. If she is still crying hard, go back in. Again, just stay in for a brief time and talk soothingly but don't pick her up. Go out again.

Wait 15 minutes and if she's still crying hard go back in.

Repeat the 15 minute wait until she goes to sleep.

If she then sleeps for a couple of hours, or however long, start again from 5 minutes next time she cries.

In the second night you add 5 minutes to each waiting period. I used the timer on my phone. 5 minutes seems like a long time!

Also, the timer only goes if she's crying properly. If she cries hard for three minutes then whimpers for the next two, it's probably best to wait a bit longer to see if she'll drop off - going in at that point could wake her up again if she's nearly sleeping.

That's great thank you do much jolly! Hopefully I won't have to use it again but will try it out if she keeps waking gain and not able to sleep. Thank you again.

Good luck :)

I have only used CC once or twice, and its great for us because human interaction when he's tired really enrages my ds! When I have had to use it though I did the complete opposite to jolly and cuddled until he was calm but did not utter a word. My time limit is 3 minutes and I only go in after that if the crying is escalating otherwise my presence is going to make things worse and set him off again.

Oh and I never lie him back down again, its a totally pointless battle that I will never win!

Hope your lo is feeling better and getting back on track with sleeping

Thank you petty this s pretty much what I was doing, timed crying, then cuddling until dd was calm then putting her back down awake. She hasn't woken up tonight (yet!) so am really hoping it was just a temporary blip as she was a bit unwell.

Thank you for your advice.

Im not sure about all the CC (controlled crying? i assume that stands for) .
my children have all gone through this at roughly that age. In fact when the have reached milestones such as sitting, standing and then walking they have been disturbed sleeping. They sit up the cant lie down, they stand up and get stuck its a nightmare!.
Im not really sure that if she is stuck standing (which she probably is) she will be able to settle herself yet so the only options are constantly lie her down or pat her on the back until she sleeps or take her into your bed.

I normally take them into out bed simply because my back would hurt constantly leaning over the cot. If it help after a month or so the outgrew it and went straight back to the cot no problems. My ds was so determined to stand up he wouldnt even lie down in bed next to me i had to wheel him around the downstairs in the buggy then veryyyyy quietly transfer him to either the cot or the bed once her went to sleep.
there is no "right" way to do this and doing something a few times doesnt automatically mean the baby is suddenly addicted to sleeping in a buggy or un your bed or ont he roof or whatever - just do whatever gets him to sleep and worry about it later!

I also had a friend once who used baby sleeping bags to make it harder to stand so maybe a lightweight one would work?

either way good luck i hope you start getting a bit more sleep soon!

Thank you, she slept 12 hrs last night so hopefully it was a blip!

Yay :)

Glad to see it is hopefully sorted. Our DTs always seem to have a blip when they first learn to do something new. Once they've got over the novelty they can self- settle again easily.

Well done on defending yourself on the CC stuff. From the word go we let our twins have what we called a 'little protest' as they settled. It never really lasted that long and if they got really distressed we would go in etc. they pretty much slept 12 hours from 10 weeks. Twins can settle each other though sometimes. I think they'll survive with whatever cortisol damage I've wreaked on them!

I hope your current sleep form continues!

Thank you noel, dd is so happy and bright eyed when she's slept well. I think most people think those who do cc do it do they can sleep. Only part of tht is true, I'd say 80% of the reason I wanted dd to stop waking every 45 mins was for her - the growth hormone is only released during sleep and I was getting the lak of sleep was jeopardising her health, as wellas the fact she was constantky exhausted and sobbing from tiiredness. The other 20%, yes I did so I could sleep too, but as her primary carer and mum, I need at least a few hours solid sleep a night to function properly to look after her.

Thank you for those who offered advice and support.

Hope it's another good one tonight!