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Is this a reasonable punishment or a I being a bit of a pushover?

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thefroggy · 24/01/2012 17:45

I know nothing about punishment tbh, my ds was always such a good child I never had to punish him. If he ever did something silly, a good talking to about why he shouldn't have done it generally worked. (He's a grumpy teen now, irritating and dismissive but still a good kid!) Grin

Dd is a very different child. She has absolutely NO respect for anything in our home. She takes things and hides them, hairbrushes, my jewellery, keys etc and will happily watch me ransack the house rather than admit it. (She even hid our kitten once and watched me frantically running around the house thinking it had escaped). She is a messer, can't leave anything alone. If I buy something (example, my house phone died, I bought a new one, before i'd even unpacked the shopping in the kitchen she had it out of the box and had lost the instructions, now I have a phone I cant hear and dont know how to change to ringtone on). She tears up boxes in seconds, so if something doesn't work I haven't a box to send it back in. I've found in the past, food opened and put in a cupboard to go off. I dont even know when she does it because i'm right here. She has a little laptop (netbook or notebook is it called?) ds's old one, she managed to break the screen. I paid a fair amount to get it fixed. She is careless with it, leaves it on the floor, down the side of her bed..I didn't know this until I came across it obviously.

Today I find some things of mine (not in her bedroom, not in mine, stored away in the cupboard) chopped to bits with scissors and hidden (badly). I said not a word, just showed her the bits when she came home from school. She screamed her head off. I didn't raise my voice at all. I said we needed to talk about why she'd done this. After she stopped crying (about half an hour) I said that for two days she would have no computer, no ds (nintendo that is, not her brother Grin) and no nickleodeon. She said she didn't know why she chopped my stuff up.

Then cried, and cried. She is so sensitive, cries at the slightest thing and maybe it's my own fault because I hate to upset my children but enough is enough.

Oh, and she's 8 btw, old enough to know better.

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onadietcokebreak · 24/01/2012 17:54

I would probably be stricter and make it longer. The tears wouldn't work on me to be honest.

wahwahwah · 24/01/2012 17:56

Two days is too short. What she did is pretty naughty and she IS 8 years old, so more than old enough to know that a)what she did was wrong, and b) she would get found out.

WowOoo · 24/01/2012 17:57

I think your punishment is fair enough. I would also dock any pocket money and tell her it's for you to replace whatever she cut up.

Is she angry about something in particular? Or angry at you for any reason? Or simply having a bit of a destructive streak now and again?
Does she know that crying will get her your attention and maybe she hopes you'll back down?
I don't know why, but even thinking of an 8yr old crying makes me all sympathetic. Has she always been so sensitive?

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lisaro · 24/01/2012 17:58

wow! That's extreme behaviour. Is something bothering her? Also, if something of someone else's is damaged then take away something of hers. You need to not fall for the tears either. Be firm and consistent. She needs to learn quickly this is NOT acceptable. But again, you need to investigate why this is happening.

thefroggy · 24/01/2012 18:09

The thing is, i'm not really sure what is considered naughty and what isn't. If she was smashing things up in front of me then yes. But she doesn't, and she's so quiet and polite to everyone else, (which is a good thing, I know I dont have a problem there, she knows her manners etc).

But, she damages our home on a regular basis. I decorated the bathroom not long ago to find she had carved a star in the woodwork. (After my sanding and painting). What she did it with I dont know, although it wouldn't be hard for her to grab a tiny screwdriver from the kitchen drawer on her way to the toilet.

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campergirls · 24/01/2012 18:11

'even thinking of an 8yr old crying makes me all sympathetic'. Yes and my 8 yr old knows that: that's why she turns on the tears when she's in trouble. Sounds like op's daughter has figured it out too. Be firm op, and absolutely dock her pocket money till she's replaced what she cut up. Her systematic disrespect for other people's stuff sounds horrible, and needs to be addressed.

lisaro · 24/01/2012 18:12

Surely you know this is naughty?

campergirls · 24/01/2012 18:13

Perhaps 'naughty' isn't a helpful word for you to get hung up on. She deliberately does things that cause damage to her home, distress to her family. The fact that she does it on the sly doesn't mitigate it!

amijustamardycow · 24/01/2012 18:13

I would stick with the punishment seems ok just now untill you can get to the bottom of this behaviour. It is very extreme behaviour actually and I would not class it within normal range of naughty, far more destructive, if that makes sence, I would be seeking proffessional advice, either GP or school to discuss camhs referal.

thefroggy · 24/01/2012 18:15

Sorry, big cross post. She has broken things before...she doesn't do it in rage, she sneaks off and destroys something. She was being bullied at school a while back and afaik it's all sorted out now.

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stealthsquiggle · 24/01/2012 18:19

I would guess the tears are at least in part a release of bottled-up tension - she must have known you would find this stuff sooner or later.

Punishment seems reasonable. Does she have pocket money, and if so does she value it? If she does, then next time I would be inclined to add (not substitute, or she will think she can buy her way out of things) a contribution to the cost of replacement/repair.

I have a feeling I am heading this way with DD. She is only 5, but already goes out of her way to hide evidence of wrong-doing - when asked to put clothes away, she decided she couldn't be bothered and stuffed them in a toybox. Only when absolutely backed into a corner because I was there, looking for something which she had supposedly put away, did she finally admit this. DS was more than capable of breaking stuff/not doing jobs, but would not even have attempted to hide it.

When she stops crying, maybe try again to ask why she thinks she might have done it?

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thefroggy · 24/01/2012 18:27

She doesn't have pocket money at the moment, due to a combination of not keeping her room tidy/being a member of moshi monsters.

I did give her £3 a week before the moshi membership. I could cancel that.

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JellyMould · 24/01/2012 18:28

Agree that this kind of behaviour seems unusual to me and worth trying to talk through in some way.

KatyMac · 24/01/2012 18:29

thefroggy, I also think she needs help. Whether the bully has stopped (just changed it's format) or another issue I'm not sure. But this doesn't sound like 'naughtiness' in my book

Has it always been like this?

amijustamardycow · 24/01/2012 18:30

i would not cancel that. I would stick to current punishment as it would be unfair to move the goal posts, she needs a consistent approach. I really would seek some professional advice on this kind of behaviour.

thefroggy · 24/01/2012 18:30

We've talked to the school Natasha, they have no idea. They asked if anything had changed at home, nothing has. None of us have any idea!

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thefroggy · 24/01/2012 18:34

Katy, she's always been a tantrum princess, from a very early age. Her father is also a tantrum princess tbh Grin. I'm wondering how much is genetic, if she's still being bullied, if something else is worrying her, I really dont know.

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KatyMac · 24/01/2012 18:42

I think, if you are concerned you should ask for help

The school nurse is always a good start, make sure you talk about her behaviour with the nurse fully, so she doesn't down play it (mummy is exaggerating, I never did that) & photograph anything that happens from now

Is there any chance at all her brother could be helping/goading/teasing - I know there is an age difference but it could still happen

thefroggy · 24/01/2012 18:53

We dont have a school nurse, haven't for a long time.

Nope to brother helping, he spends most of his time in his room on the internet. He's dyspraxic and as awful as it may sound he just isn't capable of being sneaky, most of the time he's in his own land. He does tease her as siblings do, but the thought of destroying something wouldn't even cross his mind.

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KatyMac · 24/01/2012 19:07

Hmm not sure then, you don't want to go too formal, the school have brushed it off verbally - how about a letter to the school detailing your concerns?

If you want to maybe the practise nurse at the surgery?

enjoyingthesilence · 24/01/2012 19:25

Sorry I would immediately stop the Moshi thing. That's £3 to go towards paying for whatever she's destroyed.

Whilst she needs to know you are there for her and she can to to you about anything and everything (assuming you've had this talk with her ) she also needs to understand that her actions have consequences. That if something is broken it costs money to fix it. I would also take everything out of her room, including clothes (other than school uniform) she has to prove to you that she can be trusted and earn things back.

Don't tell or scream at her. At a time when things are calm and quiet explain the new rules and make sure you stuck to them. If she yells and screams back at you, keep calm and tell her that you'll talk to her once she's calmed down.

Good luck, sounds like you're going to need it

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thefroggy · 24/01/2012 19:31

We've spoken to the school re bullying for two years, the girls in question did stop until they all went into the next class in Sept. Bullying started again, we told dd's new teacher. She has separated them in class.

I got called into school not long ago as someone had reported dd going in crying every day. I said the same, we dont know what's up.

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yellowraincoat · 24/01/2012 19:34

That sounds really unusual to me. She needs to be punished, but calmly. I wouldn't be giving her pocket money/anything she doesn't need until she'd paid for what she'd broken.

It doesn't sound like normal behaviour though, OP.