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I want a second child and DH doesn't...

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bean612 · 10/01/2012 14:47

I know this is probably a common topic on here and that's there's no easy answer (perhaps no answers at all!), but this is really preoccupying me at the moment and I'd love some advice, other people's experiences, etc.

I'm 36 and DD has just turned 3 (DH is 47, which is also relevant, I think). The first few months - well, the first year, really, with DD were pretty hellish challenging - long excruciating back-to-back labour followed by EMC, horrible breastfeeding problems, DD's hospitalisation at 10 days old (not serious but alarming and disruptive), silent reflux meaning 4-hour screaming sessions every evening for 3 months, awful, AWFUL sleep problems (we went to a sleep clinic in the end, but things are still not great on that front). Things got easier when she started walking, then a bit easier still when she started talking, then the terrible twos kicked in and her tantrums were epic and violent at times, sometimes for long phases (like every day for weeks, it seemed).

These days (by which I mean just the last couple of months, really), she is still a very strong-minded, challenging and demanding little person, but seems to be growing up in the sense that she's far more responsive to negotiating, easier to calm down, generally just a bit easier to deal with (not all the time, of course - she's still only 3!). Anyway, I can finally see how number 2 could fit into it all. But DH is still pretty adamant about stopping at 1. We've talked about it periodically over the last couple of years, and for a while, although I could understand (and even agree with at some level) some of his reasons for not having another - mainly that we were too tired and stressed not to be driven mad by the extra strain of having a baby - I still wanted one.

I have a younger brother while he is an only child, so one child is the norm for him. He worries about the financial strain of having another, but I feel like plenty of people less well off than we are (and we're not rich, or even that well off, but we're doing ok) manage perfectly well. He worries about not being able to love another child as much as DD (he ADORES DD), I know that that's a common worry that is almost never realised once the second child is actually there. He worries about whether another child might have health issues/disabilities (there's no foundation for this worry, just a general worry about how he/we would cope if that were the case), I know what he means, but it's not that likely, and frankly anything could happen to any of us (unfortunately), yet there's no point worrying about distant maybes.

Basically, having said no because we were too tired and stressed, he's now saying no - or, to be fair "probably not" rather than no, but he's still far, far, from actually agreeing to TTC - because things feel better and why rock the boat by going back to the beginning again?

My own concerns are limited to the following:

  • DD still wakes up at 5-5.30 many mornings (though not always, sometimes it's 6-6.30, or even later), and there's no doubt that we would all be very tired.
  • that DC2 would be as difficult a baby as DD was. But I do feel that if that's the case, (a) we've been there before, so have coping strategies and a knowledge that things will get better (b) we'd have to be pretty unlucky for things to be that bad again and (c) it will pass much more quickly as we'll just have to get on with life, looking after DD as well, etc.

But while I acknowledge that the first few months are bound to be tough, that isn't a reason to fundamentally change the (potential) shape of our family, and miss out on the joy of watching another child grow up, having a sibling for DD, etc. So I can see the long-term benefits, while I don't think he can so much.

Gosh, I'm sorry for such a long, long ramble. Just can't get this out of my mind, and am hoping people will be wise and enable me to have some sort of epiphany about either persuading DH, or coming to terms with being a one-child family. Not much to ask, is it? Wink

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bean612 · 10/01/2012 18:29

Bumping... I know it's long, sorry...

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randomness · 10/01/2012 19:13

Hmmm, tough one.

In the same situation I'd nag and cajole and reason and explain and cry and nag and cajole some more and eventually dh would come round to the idea.
I would admit it's not the best relationship dynamic in the world but it's worked OK for us so far :o

Took me a year of pretty full-on 'discussions' with dh for him to cave us to come to an agreement to TTC dc2, but we got there.

bean612 · 10/01/2012 19:23

Thanks randomness. What arguments did you use, if I can ask? How did you wear him down persuade him in the end?

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randomness · 10/01/2012 20:44

I suppose his reasons were more to do with wanting a quiet life than actually not wanting another baby, so eventually listening to me harping on about it ad infinitum became the more difficult option than just saying 'yeah, OK'

If he's saying 'why rock the boat by going back to the beginning again?' I'd be pointing out that having another baby sooner rather than later is more logical, once your dd is in school you won't be any less broody and persistent but it'll be even more of an upheaval to 'start again'.
Use the old cliche of close-age siblings being easier because they can play together and don't need entertaining (don't make any promises though because it's not guaranteed!)
Fond memories of a lovely childhood with your brother? Wistful tales of how lonely you think your dd is going to be growing up an only child?

Beamur · 10/01/2012 20:51

I suppose I'm in a similar situation - DD is 4, my DP is 49. But he also has 2 older children.
I would have liked a 2nd child, but DP is certain he doesn't want any more. It has been - and continues to be - a strain on our relationship. We tend not even to discuss it now as he hasn't altered his position and has conceded the only reason he would 'give in' would be if I was intolerably unhappy. This seems such a negative way to decide to have a child that I can't agree to those terms.
One of his reasons is that he feels he is getting too old and simply does not want to do this all again, and I have some sympathy with why he feels that way.
I'm slightly older than you and I'm increasingly concerned about the risks, so am less willing to try now anyway.
All I can suggest is that if you can, just keep talking and see if you can find a way to agree - whether that is to have another child, or not.

SparkySparrow · 10/01/2012 21:02

I am in a similar situation as you to.
Dh is 47 and we have a 4yo ds. I am 23, and I have realised in the last year that I do really want another.
Dh arguments are that 1. we live in a 2 bed house (kids would have to share), money, stress, space and hassell in general.
I grew up as a only child (long story) and I remember being lonely, and wishing all the time I had a sibling. Even now I wish I had sibling's I grew up with. Dh is 1 of 3 so he does'nt understand my reasoning.
I hope you and you dp sort something out! I'm working on dh but I still don't know how its going to go!

bean612 · 11/01/2012 20:13

I think we will indeed have to just keep talking. The trouble is that I'm very aware both of my fertility (I also have PCOS, so potential problems conceiving, though only took 10 months for DD, and that was without any particular effort - i.e. the only month I bothered to find out when I was fertile was the month I conceived) and also of the age gap issue. In fact the latter is more important to me in a way - if I conceived now there'd be nearly 4 years, which is OK, but ideally wouldn't really like to go over 4.5 years, for lots of reasons.

I think DD would like a sibling - of course there are no guarantees they'd get on, but she's a very sociable little person who loves company at all times, and loves playing with other children. We see quite a lot of friends who have 3 daughters all very close in age to her and she absolutely LOVES being part of their gang. And when we go to places with other children, she often looks out for one or two to latch on to and play with. Of course it would be different with a sibling, as sharing your parents with another child is a whole other ball game, but I do feel as though she would welcome a sibling more than resent one.

I've tried explaining to DH how I couldn't imagine having grown up without my brother, and it's true - although the age gap wasn't/isn't that small (3.9 actual years, and 5 school years), we are very different personalities, and as adults we're not close, we like each other very much, "get" each other in a way that I think only siblings can, and had a lot of fun together as kids. Not on a daily basis, but enough for me to appreciate the value of a sibling, even one very different and quite a lot younger, and a different sex, all of which you might imagine might have prevented us from bonding/playing together all that much. Anyway, because my brother and I aren't close, DH doesn't understand that that doesn't mean I don't value him and generally really liked him being around when we were kids.

Sigh.

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coronet · 11/01/2012 20:21

That's very hard Bean. One way is to minimise any parenting hassles starting now - if you have a crap day with dd, just don't mention it. Just basically hide some of the stresses of parenthood, and make life nice for DH. This is quite a good plan generally - must do this myself! - but particularly if you want to convince DH that another baby is feasible. Don't mention it for a while - and when you do choose your moment very very carefully. I would go for the 'we may not be able to conceive - I don't mind that, but I would hate not even trying.'

bean612 · 11/01/2012 21:10

You're absolutely right, Coronet - that's what I've been thinking recently too. Basically, big up the good stuff and hide the bad stuff Wink But it's true. I've also said to him that I don't mind really becoming housewife and full-time mother for the first year of (potential) DC2's life at least, which I definitely haven't done with DD - although I do have 1 or 2 weekdays with her as I don't work FT, when DH is around we are absolutely 50/50 on the childcare, housework, etc. I think to just fully embrace the 'mum'/running the house role would be the only way to go, and I've thought about it a lot and I'm fully prepared to go for it, so he can focus on work as much as he needs to and not feel overwhelmed by everything.

And your point about 'I'd hate to not even try' is a very good one, coronet. More food for thought...

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Africagirl1 · 12/01/2012 18:02

Been there! DH also wanted a quieter life, more financially secure future, easy to travel with 1 child only etc. It was a major issue. Finally I forced him to go to counselling to discuss it and he came around. My feeling that in a marriage you should do everything you can to make your partner happy - within reason of course. DD is now three months (DS is 4) - he adores her but still says he would have preferred sticking with one child, but is happy I am happy. My concession is that I don't ask him to help out with the kids too much (ie not 50/50) although we both work. PS we had to have fertility treatment for both children and this was also an issue for him - he hated TTC

bean612 · 12/01/2012 21:51

Oh that's interesting, Africagirl1 - nice to find another person whose DH has changed their mind! I completely agree with what you say about doing everything you can to make your partner happy, but not sure how that works on the flip side, i.e. if I do everything to make my DH happy, then surely I should concede to his wish not to have any more children? The terribly difficult thing about deciding to have children, or more children, is that it's absolutely not possible to compromise - you can't say, "oh, we'll just have half a child, then". I, too, have thought about going to counselling, but again that feels like saying, "you have to go to counselling so I can get someone else to help me persuade you into doing what I want". My latest thought today is to compare having another child to getting our kitchen totally rebuilt, which we did a few years ago - a total nightmare for about 3 months, but once it's finished (or in the baby's case, come out of the newborn stage), you forget how tough it was and can just luxuriate in how nice it is now - and will be for years to come Grin

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randomness · 12/01/2012 22:16

It's not 'doing everything you can to make dp happy' it's 'doing everything you can to make childrearing as easy and painless as possible for him'.

Not the most feminist tactic, obviously, but dh didn't really have any comeback when the situation really was 'I do all the work, so why the hell shouldn't I get the final say-so?'
It's not like you're asking for the earth, a second child in a happy, committed relationship when you have one child already is a pretty reasonable request IMO.

There is a compromise to be found, but in this case one of you has to come round to the other's way of thinking, there are no half-ways.

xxcozxx · 13/01/2012 01:47

Read your post...you seem lovely, seem to have thought through all the options :) All I'll say is;

Always wanted a bro or sis, REALLY wanted one :( BUT sure some dont get on with theirs anyway :)

also, dh wants one, if you had another would you really regret it?? prob not, youd regret NOT having a baby.. :) xx

bean612 · 19/01/2012 22:16

Shameless bumping... Feeling broody today and realised I have started hoping DH will say something like "OK, I've been thinking about it and sod it, let's do it!" I wonder how long I should wait for this to happen, or indeed how long I can wait for this to happen, before buckling under the pressure and forcing him to discuss it again (which may not necessarily help - with other things he has changed on his mind on his own, possibly because I haven't pressured him by wanting to talk about it all the time...)

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bean612 · 19/01/2012 22:28

Oh, I have thought about that, believe me. But I couldn't. He would know, and though I don't doubt he would love the baby, I don't know that he would forgive me very easily. Also, if anything was wrong with the baby, or indeed if s/he developed any problems, or even just if DD was hugely jealous, or if... well any problems stemming from the child's existence at all - I would feel entirely responsible, and that's far too much pressure to live with.

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randomness · 19/01/2012 23:01

"I want another baby... did I mention I want another baby... I'm sooo broody... I really want another baby... I want another baby... I'm sooo broody... did I mention I want another baby... I don't know what I'll do if I can't have another baby... I want another baby... " repeat to fade.

Seriously, it comes down to this:

Happy husband = easy life
If easy life = no more tiresome babies then... no more babies, thank you very much.
If easy life = no more listening to wife's tiresome bleating on about more babies then... let's have another baby.
Helps if babies aren't particularly tiresome at the time, so make family life as easy and stress-free as possible, and go on and on and on and on and on and on and on... for as long as necessary.

(My dh would have quite happily stopped at 1 but to do that would have seriously compromised my happiness and our relationship, so after the above process, he decided that a second baby was what he wanted to make our family complete... OK so there was a certain amount of manipulation involved but everyone was happy with the final result and it's a whole lot better than coming off the pill without telling him, right?)

bean612 · 19/01/2012 23:06

Ah, randomness I know, I totally get what you're saying, and I honestly wish the nagging route was the one to go down - I am EXCELLENT at nagging Grin

However, DH is the man who 1. Did not want to move in with me (or anyone, I hasten to add) 2. Did not want to get married 3. Did not want to have children. All of these things he has now done (haha), but he changed his mind on all 3 counts precisely because I kept my mouth shut throughout and let the little cogs whirr in his head until he came to the right conclusions.

And this is why I think nagging just might have the opposite effect...

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randomness · 20/01/2012 00:18

You know him best, obviously.
If you're happy with a bit of an age gap then let nature take its course, you still have time on your side so a couple of years of more subtle broody hints coupled with plenty of interaction with happy families with 2+ might do the trick.

I'm too impatient for reverse psychology personally and dh has always responded best to my sledgehammer approach Wink

You said he's said 'probably not'... my children know that 'probably not' means 'keep asking cos that ain't a no'!

Good luck with it, just keep in mind that a second child is not an unreasonable ask. :)

Africagirl1 · 20/01/2012 04:36

Randomness my DH was also reluctant to get married. (cue counselling again). He has trouble communicating so it was hard for me to understand why he wasn't ready to get married, or didn't want a second child. Counselling helped both times. I hear what you say about forcing him to go to get your way, but it wasn't really like that. I went into it agreeing that the outcome could go either way - I would have to have accepted that he wouldn't cave on the issue if it had come to this, but then at least I would have understood his reasons more. I think another point is that I wanted another child for me AND for my DS - so it wasn't a totally selfish wish, and DH had to get his head around this, and it was one of the reasons he came around to the idea. ANOTHER issue is that he didn't really want a girl - of course we ended up having one and now he's smitten.

Africagirl1 · 20/01/2012 04:38

sorry, I meant this for Bean

Shells · 20/01/2012 04:56

Some other thoughts that might help, Bean.
My DS sounds a lot like your DD. He was a very difficult baby and toddler. We decided to go for 2 (and in the end have had 3) and its been the best thing for him. I really think that highly strung, demanding children (gorgeous as well obviously) don't make great only children. DS has learned all sorts of skills through having siblings that have toned him down and just made him cope better with life.
And on a slightly related note - the argument that 1 child is easier and makes a quieter life, doesn't always work. Some only children are easier but others really really need lots of attention and if there are no siblings, then you, as the grown ups, are always required to be the playmates and thats hard work!

I don't have to do much of that any more as the siblings play together (not always nicely...).
I'm not saying its idyllic but i'm very pleased we did it.

BuddhaBelly · 20/01/2012 05:28

Bean my friend with one dc was also desperate to have another. DH was older and reluctant she subtly nagged and dropped hints the final straw was when it came to booking their summer holiday and she said we'll have to find one with a decent kids club as dd will be on her own with no-one to play with! for some reason this hit home and he agreed to ttc. She ended up with twins Grin so had 3 dd's under 2 Grin Probably not much help to you as it sounds as if dh likes to think on things. As he adores dd maybe try the whole better for her approach and really play on her sociability etc. good luck Smile

joanneg20 · 22/01/2012 17:36

Think you need a different perspective here, as frankly I'm quite shocked by some of these replies.

Having a child is hard enough when you both desperately want one. No-one should be forced, cajoled, persuaded to cave or even (as one person kindly suggests) tricked into having another one.

I'm speaking as someone who has only wanted one. Fortunately my husband feels the same. But how would you all feel about a man forcing a woman to have a child she didn't want? Is this really a healthy way to conduct an adult relationship?

By all means talk about it some more, try to get him to see your point of view. But if he doesn't, you don't get to have another child. That's just the deal, sorry. May sound harsh, but think you need to hear an alternative point of view. I'm always quite shocked to hear women who presumably believe in their own right to reproductive free choice defending either 'tricking' men into reproduction, or treating them as though they are children themselves.

randomness · 22/01/2012 20:41

But if he doesn't, you don't get to have another child.

No, actually, that would have been a dealbreaker for me. The marriage wouldn't have survived if my dh had decided to exercise his right to reproductive free choice and trample all over mine in the process.

If he'd had some significant valid reason for only wanting one it would have come up when we discussed these things prior to having the first and probably ended the relationship there and then.
As it was, he found having one child quite a culture shock and would have happily settled for only one for an easy life (as I read the OP's dh as having done) but after I got my point across that my desire/need for another child was as strong as it was, he happily caved decided that it wasn't too much for me to ask.

The tricking thing obviously would be a mega no-no, I'm with you on that at least.

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