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My DD doesn't love me ...

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whattodoo · 20/05/2011 15:37

My DD (3yrs) is constantly rejecting me lately.

She's always been a daddy's girl, but lately its far more noticeable.
The other day, she pushed me a way and said "I don't like you" and then snuggled up to Dad and said "Like you".
Yesterday, I picked her up from nursery (DP usually does this) and when I entered the building I heard her key worker tell her that Mummy was here. I then heard (from about 100 yards away, no exageration) DD shouting "No! Daddy!" repeatedly. I poked my head around her room door and when she saw me she burst into tears and started screaming. All of this was in front of other children, parents and staff. I was so upset.
I'm aware that she probably doesn't know the full meaning of 'like', but it hurts so much.

I work 3 days, spend the rest of the week with her. Weekends are fun filled fests with her, me and DP. I play with her, read her books etc etc.
I do most of the disciplining and take responsiblity for moving her development forward (in a natural way, not pushy!). So mine is probably the only stern voice she hears.
I don't honestly feel as though I've ever properly bonded with her. I felt no rush of love when she popped out, I couldn't breast feed for more than 2 weeks. etc etc.
I can't bear this rejection from her, although I know she doesn't mean it. But I want to nip it in the bud before it becomes an issue between us.
Any ideas?
I'm so sad, humiliated, rejected, inadequate, bad mum ..........

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Bumperlicioso · 23/05/2011 09:28

It is hard. My dd1 is nearly 4 and a dyed in the wool daddy's girl. When I was working and came home once she said to me 'go in the kitchen mummy, me and daddy are busy' :(

Things got even worse when dd2 came along. I just hope that when dd2 is less dependent on me dd1 and I can get on a more even keel.

I do sympathise, but like you have taken on board some of the comments here.

colditz · 23/05/2011 16:29

Sorry, it does read a bit harsh. It wasn't meant to.

mathanxiety · 23/05/2011 20:45

Electra complex kicking in?

'She's three, and it's not her job to make you feel adequate, needed, wanted, proud and happy. It's her job to develope properly and eat her dinner. It's your job to meet your emotional needs, maybe your partner's. Certainly not your toddler's job.' I agree.

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whattodoo · 24/05/2011 08:59

good grief! Having gained a bit of perspective on my situation since I originally posted, I can see that I over-reacted to some pretty normal behaviour from a 3 year old.

But this last post leaves me speechless!

Why do you feel it necessary to attach phsycoanalytic theories to a mother who is having a few difficulties handling her emotions. As you so rightly point out - its me with the problem, not my daughter!

From what I have read, elextra complex is defined as:

According to Sigmund Freud, during female psychosexual development a young girl is initially attached to her mother. When she discovers that she does not have a penis, she becomes attached to her father and begins to resent her mother who she blames for her "castration."

I have never studied Freud, so before anyone else jumps on my back to say I have misunderstood the theory, then I acknowledge that maybe I have. But by including the name of a complex in a thread, of course the OP is going to attempt to find out what the heck it means.

I posted for advise. I got advise and support. I also got a good talking too, which is just what I needed. I am grateful for all of posters who offered support, advise and stern words.

I didn't need, or ask for, your controversial theories. As I have indicated in previous posts, I have suffered from depression and PND. Fortunately I am pretty strong at the moment, at one of my more vulnerable moments I could easily have become very alarmed by your post. Instead, I am very angry.

I just don't understand the motivation behind your post.

I know this is not specifically a support board, but nor is it a place for attacks. have you no kindness in you? can you not see from my later posts that I have acknowledged my own failings here and am trying to address them.

Your post has hurt me deeply.

Are you happy now? Did you get what you wanted by posting?

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Wallace · 24/05/2011 10:13

From my point of view it didn't seem like it was meant to hurt. Just a poster suggesting a controversial theory.

Enjoy your dd (as I can see you do) and be confident that she loves you like you love her :)

FrozenNorthPole · 24/05/2011 10:57

OP, I hope that you are not too hurt by that comment. It was perhaps flippantly meant but I understand why it shocked you. Don't know if this is any help, and I'm sure you know this already, but psychoanalytic theory is entirely unsubstantiated and the electra complex is, to about 99.999% of psychologists like me, utter b*llocks.

A positive suggestion now - I was reading a book called 'Playful parenting' last night written by a play therapist. Tis fab - it was recommended by another poster on here. The author explains that the child that shouts "I hate you!" or acts rejecting is using this behaviour to process their own emotions in that moment, not using the behaviour to hurt you or to reflect any lasting attitude. Since processing is something that most children are not yet particularly good at, it is up to us as the parents to reach out and establish or re-establish a meaningful connection with the child at these times to provide reassurance and allow space for them to safely work through how they feel (and I completely accept this is massively hard, because it's only natural that hearing such things gets us massively upset).

The author suggests making a meaningful connection via play. By this I mean innovating a simple game together, and turning negatives around. For instance, DD went through a phase of 'preferring' daddy and begging for him at bed time (which was particularly hard as he was deployed with the army at the time). I took to appearing, wearing a fake moustache and doing a 'daddy impression', at odd moments. Of course she wanted to try on the moustache and we all stomped around being daddies together, on the way to bed. Or if she is sulking in the corner, I pretend she's disappeared, and wander around the room searching for her in stupid places. I then approach her, pretending that all I can see is an armchair, and tickle her thoroughly whilst complaining loudly that the armchair won't stop giggling.

Okay, I know those examples are a bit daft but both DD and I are both serious, restrained people and it's helped her (AND me) feel a lot more loved and connected. It sounds like you might be in a similar position: longing for connection with your DD. I'll stop going on at length now otherwise I will get accused of being affiliated with the book in some way (I'm not!) and just say that the author's website is here and worth a look.

mathanxiety · 24/05/2011 15:04

The electra complex remark was meant flippantly, and sorry to have given offence. Tbh, I thought it was fairly common knowledge that such a 'complex' has been defined and written about. This 'complex' described by Jung doesn't signify anything wrong. The term isn't derogatory. And as I said, the whole idea is controversial.

Little girls do develop an attachment to their fathers that can be quite strong from about age 3 to 6, at which point they reidentify with mum and the world of girls, and associate mostly with girls in school. During the few years of the 'complex' they can express quite romantic feelings towards their fathers, maybe say they will marry etc. It's natural and they get through it. The daddy needs to keep on being daddy though and not play along too much. She loves you dearly -- just as much as she loves her dad.

AgainWhen · 24/05/2011 15:04

I don't understand why that's so hurtfull?

exoticfruits · 24/05/2011 15:20

You are the adult! Don't make her responsible for your emotions. They all do it. She can do it because she is utterly secure with you. (she won't be secure if you take it seriously). Just say lightly-'that's Ok I have enough love for us both' or similar. She doesn't mean it and she loves you!

whattodoo · 24/05/2011 16:52

I didn't post here for sympathy or 'there, there, poor you' I asked for advice which I was given. I acknowledged my shortcomings, listened to viewpoints and gave myself a good talking to. I spoke to DP and we have agreed how we deal with parenting in the future.

So far so good.

But then ....

Harsh words I can take on the chin - they were needed and put my focus back on who was important.

But its very difficult to read flipancy into a load of words on a screen. If the post referring to electra complex had been meant to be helpful, it would have explained what the complex is, and how it might apply in my situation.

But, I'm afraid I now have to confess my utter stupidity in not ever having heard of Electra Complex. Hence my instant reaction was to google. Wouldn't any other idiot like me have done the same? What I read caused me to be confused, alarmed and out of my depth in an area I have no knowledge nor understanding.

FrozenNorthPole - thank you. The book sounds very interesting and worth a look at. I love the way you play with your DD and can see how similar activities could work for me and my DD. as you say, I'm trying to connect with my daughter in a loving way.

Mathanxiety - I now realise it was meant flippantly, I appreciate your apology. But I didn't know that this morning. And you have now made me feel even more of a numpty because, while it may be fairly common knowledge that such a 'complex' has been defined and written about, I'm obviously not quite so intelligent as the norm. Thanks very much but I now feel as though everyone here must have had a superior education to me and I missed out on something vital that everyone else knows about.

AgainWhen - because I was asking for help, not seeking diagnosis with a controversial complex. My aparantly intellectual inferiority means that I have never heard of it, so googled it and my silly little mind misinterpreted it as a negative reflection on my daughter. Thats why it hurt.

Perhaps posts asking for help shouldn't be the place for flippant references to controversial areas? At the very least without further explanation or a relevant smiley? Smile

exoticfruits - Yes, I think I've got the message from other posters. I am the adult. I've realised my mistakes and am trying to readjust my attitude.

Up until this morning, I was full of optimism that I could (and will) tackle this. then I read mathanxiety's post and I was back to square one again. I felt inferior, I felt as though the poster thought mabe there was something wrong with my DD (or me, which would worry me less), I know feel as though MN is only for those with the benefit of a marvellously well rounded education. I did not have such an advantage and have achieved all I have despite this.

I have always been proud of being worldly wise and can hold my own in most conversations. Now I feel like an ignorant fool.

BTW - isn't it funny how another, very well know MNer posted recently about a comment her DC had made that upset the poster. The replies were all supportive and friendly. Those that told the poster to 'get a grip' did so in an obviously jovial way, which could not have been misinterpreted. Just because I've namechanged for this post, why should I get a different tone of response?

This has been on my mind all day. Not so much the complex, just the thought that by asking for advice, I received posts that had no intention of being constructive or helpful. I had thought mums might be a bit more supportive of one another, particularly where depression and PND had been mentioned. When I first posted I was teetering on the edge of falling into the pit that is depression. Well, today I've fallen.

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mathanxiety · 24/05/2011 17:26

Sorry again. Perhaps I should have inferred from your reaction to your DD's behaviour as you described it in your original post that you are very sensitive at this point in your life -- I can certainly see that now. However, if I have caused you distress that you would not otherwise have felt, I apologise.

May I say that it is not one bit obvious to me or to anyone else that you are less intelligent, an ignorant fool or whatever way you feel, and I had no intention of implying anything of the sort.

I didn't intend to 'diagnose' with a controversial theory. The behaviour has been described, the theory has been written about and the purpose of this phase has been debated. Hence 'controversial'. The behaviour is completely normal and observable in most girls and also boys, who develop tender feelings for their mothers. It has been written about and described because it happens so often. I don't claim any well rounded education or superiority of any sort in putting forth my opinion. I have four DDs and have seen them all go through this phase.

My intention was to suggest to you my opinion of what may be happening with your DD, using the shorthand of Electra complex. I didn't know what you didn't know and obviously I didn't know what I didn't know when I posted.

exoticfruits · 24/05/2011 18:00

Sorry-I didn't mean to upset you. It is just that these threads crop up with regularity and I think 'get a grip'! It is very rare to get a DC who doesn't say 'I hate you mummy' or 'go away I only love daddy'.It is a phase and meaningless. I'm sure that I win the prize for being 'the most horrible, meanest, mummy ever'!
Don't take your DC to heart and don't take any replies to heart.
Only remember one thing-your DD is secure enough in your love to say it, because she knows that you will know she loves you really and that you love her unconditionally. Think of it as a compliment for a job well done. Smile

schmarn · 24/05/2011 18:04

The OP mentions that she is chiefly responsible for discipline. This could be a big factor if dad gets to be the "good guy". She will grow out of it anyway but in the meantime I would suggest that your partner take on some of the disciplining too. Kids will divide and rule if you give them a chance so if you present a united front, this phase may quickly stop.

exoticfruits · 24/05/2011 18:08

I think she needs a chat with DP, about the discipline,and some time to just do some real fun things with Mum, alone.

PlanetEarth · 24/05/2011 18:27

She probably just takes you for granted. I looked after DD1 for 6 months on maternity leave, then went back to work part time and so was still the primary carer. Daddy seemed to get the big hugs, the excited smiles... Then at about 18months the three of us went away for my work, and DH looked after DD during the day while I was working. Big change, she started to turn to DH for the practicalities of life and me for the fun stuff Smile.

AgainWhen · 24/05/2011 18:56

I think it's unfair to blame a pretty innocuous comment for tipping you into depression.

CelebratedMonkey · 24/05/2011 19:34

I understand your reaction because I know when you post a thread a lot of feelings go into it and when you think you've taken on feedback and are moving forward, it's almost a shock to see criticism you don't fully understand suddenly appear.

You're not thick (I hadn't heard of it/didn't know the details and have a reasonably good education) and you are moving on from your initial OP. Disregard the last few posts (or appreciate that MA probably wouldn't post the same post now), and go back to how you were feeling.

whattodoo · 25/05/2011 08:41

Mathanxiety - thank you. I'm aware that I'm being particularly sensitive at the moment and that's something I need to get a hold on. Back to the docs and ADs for me! In fact, when I'm feeling a bit clearer in my head, I might even read up about Electra Complex. I recall feeling a bit romantic about my own dad around 6yrs, so this is very interesting! Smile

exoticfruits and schmarn yes, I agree my DP and I need to get a better balance on the discipline front. I appreciate your words.

planetearth - funnily enough I used to be in a job which took me away a lot and daddy did the putting to bed, teeth brushing etc. Now I'm around more, Dad is the fun guy again and she's closer to him.

againwhen I didn't mean to blame the remark for my depression. But at the time it didn't feel innocuous - I didn't understand it so looked it up and what I thought I had learned upset me. As you can tell, I'm overly sensitive at the moment, so over-react to anything that I'm not expecting or isn't my usual routine etc. You're right, a post can't cause depression, nor tip me into it, but my understanding of it led me down a scary path which has resulted in me recognising my current state of mind.

celebrated monkey thank you. I think that exactly what happened. I posted, got advice including the 'get a grip, dealt with it, was moving forward. Then a remark caught me off guard and I overreacted.

I'm off to the docs now. My DD has no awareness that mummy is sad, nor will she have. and, frozennorthpole, DD and I wore our sunglasses while we were brushing our teeth this morning to make it something fun rather than a chore. it worked!

Sorry to have been such a drama queen everyone. Have learned not to post serious stuff while I'm not feeling my strongest emotionally.

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QuackQuackSqueak · 25/05/2011 09:33

Just wanted to say that my daughter often wants me and not dad and it upsets him soooo much! I know she loves him though and there are things that she would only ever want him for (building lego, bad dreams etc).

WhollyGhost · 25/05/2011 09:58

Just to second the advice to read "Playful Parenting". It is a lovely book, full of good ideas, and has helped me become better connected with my DD - making both of us much, much happier. I think the book was especially useful to me because of my PND - it means I find it hard to lighten up and have fun.

Despite being extremely well educated, I'd never heard of Electra complex either, and would have reacted similarly to the suggestion.

FrozenNorthPole · 25/05/2011 14:13

whattodo - pleased to hear about the sunglasses! It's a great idea, I might try that (or funny hats) next time DD1's resisting her toothbrush, so thank you.

I hope that the doc is helpful.

Re: the Electra complex, I think people are far more likely to have heard of the Oedipal complex - the theory that the boy loves his mum, worries that his dad will cut off his penis because of this, so ends up identifying with dad to resolve his castration anxiety ... not that I give either theory much credence Grin

teafortwo · 25/05/2011 22:02

Freud is a good writer and I respect his ground breaking work... but aaaheeerm our understanding of children's minds has moved on rather a lot since his work. Please do not get bogged down in his sometimes quite odd ideas!

LCarbury · 25/05/2011 22:10

I think it would be worth you and your DP both explaining to her every time she does such things that it is rude behaviour and will hurt mummy's feelings and make mummy sad, possibly also that she can feel however she likes about mummy and daddy but it is not acceptable to be rude. I think you could also respond each time she says she doesn't like you with something like, "Just as well I love you anyway as you're my lovely daughter". I think 3 year olds are old enough to understand this kind of conversation.

Again · 26/05/2011 00:08

My ds does this to dh all the time, but he really is absolutely crazy about him and really enjoys his company. He is absolutely adamant 'I don't love daddy'. Tbh and with due respect I completely disagree with LCarbury. I'd let her say it if she wants too and not take it too seriously. I think that it's the least available parent that they say they love (in our case that's been me).

I hope you feel better soon.

mathanxiety · 26/05/2011 00:17

"sometimes quite odd" Vienna must have been a quare place back in the day..

I don't agree with LCarbury's suggestion about 'making mummy sad'. An adult is responsible for her own feelings. Please do not burden your little DD with even a whiff of responsibility for mummy or daddy's equilibrium. It is manipulative and not healthy.

3 yos can understand the difference between rudeness and politeness to granny or friends at school or teacher, but what they say to mum and dad must be taken in the context of the relationship and their own emotional growth and they must have a safe place where they can just be themselves, with guidance about temper tantrums etc., of course. But they should not be made to feel they are responsible for their parents' sadness or happiness. Telling them their tone of voice is rude or that they should not shout indoors is fine.

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