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Problem 10yr old Boy

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Zebedee68 · 19/10/2010 00:08

Hey all, thanks in advance for your help/advice :-)

My girlfriend of 3 months has 3 kids, aged 13, 10 & 9. The teenage girl is fine, pretty awesome in fact, as teenagers go, and totally gets, understands and supports her mum & me in this problem. The youngest girl is very sweet, but is totally led by her elder brother - and so most times she is fine, but occasionally this issue is excerbated by her as well.

The middle child, a boy who is nearly 11, is a very nice kid - his school teachers would describe him as thoughtful, caring and considerate, while still being a young lad - so far so good.

My g/f had a hard time with her ex, the kids father - he was abusive to her and his son - both physically & mentally - she had to be rehomed as an emergency, following one particular incident involving violence.

My g/f is very caring, supportive, loyal & loving - not to mention intelligent (she is a teacher) but is at the very end of her tether with her son (and to some extent her youngest daughter).

He has no respect for his mum, and will physically and verbally abuse her - he loves his mum (and me, tbh) but as soon as he doesn't get his own way, things kick off and the normal loving behaviour goes out the window.

On Saturday night he woke up in the middle of the night and heard us making love (around 4am - we make a point of waiting until the kids are asleep lol) and then obviously lay awake until daylight cogitating on it - come sunday morning he woke his sisters up to tell them what he had heard (literally a few moans, nothing more) - but thanks to the early sex education they receive at that agen (the mechanics, with no mention of loving relationships - or none that makes any sense to a 10 year old mind, at any rate).

In his mind (and his words - he wasted no time in telling his mum, when she had got up) I had no right to be coming over to his house to fck his mother - she is a dirty whre who scks my cck (he has no idea what this means, other than the words - and she didn't lol) and she is worth nothing, and he only lives there because his friends go to his school. (He packed his cloths into carrier bags ready to leave).

His father was physically abusive to him, and is still verbally so - he doesn't want to go live with his father because he is afraid of him. (We don't want him to go - but like it is now, it's a serious option).

When he is ok, he will tell you that his mum was the only one who stuck up for him, and supported him all the years. But when he gets into a tantrum - she is nothing but a piece of shit. He will break furniture, throw things at her, swear at her, hit her, etc etc.

Nothing in particular sets off this behaviour - just whenever he doesn't get his own way. My g/f is not particularly strict - but is not lax either, she is a teacher and knows how to respond to people.

I'm pretty laid back, but when I see his behaviour I have to say something - he responds to me somewhat - when I am there (3 nights a week usually) he doesn't throw stuff, or use the the c word - but after I go, it's no holds barred. I don't shout, scream or lose it - I stay rational, but its hard. When he is in that mood, nothing seems to work. The day after, we can talk and he understands, and promises to moderate his behaviour, but when he loses it the next time, its back to square one.

My amateur psychoanalysis would suggest that he sees himself as the man of the house, and that gives him (given his past experience) free reign in telling the rest of the household to do what he says. (He used to insists upon sleeping with his mum, even when he wasn't poorly - she stopped it pretty quick, but he will still try it on, making up excuses not to sleep in his own bed etc)

His younger sister has always been treated like a princess by her dad - she can do no wrong, and her brother poisons her mind against her mum. She is now getting to the age where she thinks she can stand up to her mum, and her brothers word is what matters, not her mums.

As I said, his elder sister sees what goes on and is very very supportive of her mum & me (a breath of sanity, really)

I love my girlfriend very much, and her kids too. We need some serious help, and quick - please.

He is going to see his dad tomorrow night (for the first time in 6 months) and will no doubt tell him just how bad his mum is - this morning he was going to go school and tell everyone that his mum had been pissed all weekend (she had 1 bottle of wine on sat night) and that we had spent all weekend in bed shagging (we didn't obviously - I played with him on my xbox and we took the dogs out for a walk in the countryside - he didn't like that)

When his dad hears this, he will give my g/f a whole world of sh*t. I will be there - just in case - and I'm not a physical or violent man, but I will fight him if he starts on my girl.

How do I/we sort this? How can we get through to him, and stop this behaviour/attitude?

Sorry if that's all a bit disjointed, we are both stressed to hell - we have both been through some really sh*tty times these past few years and really need the happiness we have found together. I'm 42 with 2 teenagers (my youngest has spent half his life in hospital) and my g/f is 37 to give you some context.

Thanks for reading, all useful advice/thoughts is welcome.

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cory · 05/11/2010 11:41

Alfreda puts it very well, and I cannot better her advice.

I think what got posters' back up about your OP was a)that you sounded very possessive about his mum ("my girl") and b) that you seemed to be in a hurry.

As those of us who have worked with problem children/problem situations know, these two attitudes are likely to get in your way and make life difficult for everybody.

You have to accept that your gf's first duty is to her son- because she gave birth to him and when you have a child, that is what you commit to. This does not mean there is no space for you. But you need to be patient, to let things take time. Three months is a very short space.

Also, your gf needs to accept that her bad experience of health professionals must not get in the way of her boy getting the help he needs. There is no reason to think that her bad experience will be repeated;' besides, that is a risk she must take for the sake of all of you. fwiw I have had a horrible experience with being suspected of abusing my child: I still take them to the same hospital if they need medical treatment, because that is my job as a mum- I cannot risk them missing out on treatment to spare my feelings. If there is a chance CAHMS can help him, that would be a great thing for all of you.

So any gentle support you can give your gf with this would be a good idea.

Bigpants1 · 06/11/2010 00:59

Hi, havent read all replies. But, this boy is NOT a problem boy, he is a young boy with deep-seated problems. Unless you and his mother see him the latter way, your relationship with him will become more strained.
This boy has been physically and verbally abused. He has also seen his mother abused.Put yourself in his shoes-would you react any differently?
It matters not, if the abuse was a long time ago, it has had a deep and lasting impact on him.
He may like you, it doesnt mean he trusts you or feels safe with you. So far, he has not had a positive male role-model in his life.
You cannot possibly think about sending him to live with his abusive father-this man physically and verbally abused him ffs! Dont even use this as a threat. I would hope, if he was sent to live with his father SS would have some involvement!
I dont doubt both you and his mother love him and want to help him. But, this is going to take a loooong time. If he was so angry and foul about hearing you have sex, perhaps it scared him, brought back memories of his father-perhaps he didnt understand what was happening to his mother. Maybe, he used to hear his father say those things to his mother.
It is irrelevant your partner is a teacher. Hre ds needs help outwith her capacity. She should ask her GP to refer her ds to CAMHS asap as he needs help from a child psychotherapist or other specialist.
You both need to accept things will be tough for the forseeable future and siblings living with a troubled brother or sister pick-up behaviours and bear the brunt of them. I speak from experience here.
Lastly, have you made sure, ds wants to visit his father-can you guarantee his safety while there? Will he have a mobile so he can call if he wants to come home? If the family had to be moved cos of his violence, it doesnt seem a very safe thing to do for him to see his father without another adult being present. HTH.

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