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Shocked and upset by this... and I don't think I handled it very well

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emkana · 08/08/2005 14:09

I took the dd's (4 and 2) to a nearby field today. There's a little hill there with a track going down. We were playing there with a ball when two boys on their bikes turned up - they were about 10. They said "Come on, we'll go down that track!" and seemed to want to go down there regardless of my dd's still playing there. So I said, quite unfriendly admittedly, "No, you can't yet, my dd's were here first!" to which they said "So? It's not your field" blahblah.
So I took the dd's to go and play somewhere else. Suddenly the one boy went down the hill on his bike even though my two year old was still standing there. I said "Watch out where you're going, she's only 2!" and he said "So?" really provocatively, which upset me so much that I said quite loudly "If you knock her over you won't have a life to live anymore!" which was not a great response I'm afraid . I walked away with the girls, but I could hear them shouting after us "you f*ing bitch" and things like that. We played at the other end then, and they were still cycling etc. They then came over to our side and I actually felt scared . I was wondering what I would do if they attacked one of my girls or if they tried to damage my pushchair or something. So I was just looking at them and the more aggressive one said "What are you looking at? I'll shove some grass up your arse in a minute!" I said, feebly, "I can look at whatever I like." but after that they left and we went home soon, too. Unfortunately it rather spoilt the morning. I can't believe that a/ boys this small can be this aggressive to a complete stranger b/I feel scared of two ten year olds c/I'm not capable of handling such a situation better. I used to be a teacher FFS!

What would you have done?

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WigWamBam · 08/08/2005 17:31

But Alannah, the chances are that they wouldn't have said a word to emkana if she hadn't had a go at them first.

Yes, their behaviour was vile, but they hadn't actually done anything at all to emkana or her children before she had a go at them - and she admits that she was unfriendly.

berolina · 08/08/2005 17:35

emkana, i think i know what you meant by the phrase you used - was it a tiny linguistic hiccup/'mistranslation' maybe? (You are German, aren't you?) I've done this sort of thing before, in different situations though (once really shocking my dh ) No aspersions cast on your English!
FWIW, in that kind of situation I would have freaked and prob reacted utterly inappropriately - I had such a hard time with aggressive kids as a child that certain reactions are still (at age 28!) rooted in me.
We can't always be pedagogic angels! Don't worry!

berolina · 08/08/2005 17:36

'certain reactions' as in getting v v scared/running off - not jumping on them and hitting them!!!

Alannah · 08/08/2005 17:52

WWB, with respect, according to the original post they were confrontational, as in "so, it's not your field" etc. I have said quite a few times that emkana could have handled it better but nonetheless they chose to behave agressively towards an adult. I'm sticking to my original opinion 'horrible little brats'

HappyMumof2 · 08/08/2005 17:58

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WigWamBam · 08/08/2005 18:24

I didn't say they weren't horrible little brats, Alannah. Quite obviously their behavior was wrong. BUT they hadn't done or said anything until, in emkana's words

"I said, quite unfriendly admittedly, "No, you can't yet, my dd's were here first!" to which they said "So? It's not your field" blahblah".

They hadn't done or said anything to her, and the chances are that they wouldn't have.

starlover · 08/08/2005 18:26

i agree that they were very rude, and i do think it is disgusting behaviour/language for children of that age.

but... i do agree with them about it not being your field.
i actually don't see why you had a problem with them playing there....

marthamoo · 08/08/2005 18:29

Aw, emkana said in her thread title that she didn't handle it very well - most of us agree that she didn't: enough said really, she'll handle it better next time. For this time, chalk it up to experience and don't get any more upset over it - it's done.

emkana · 08/08/2005 19:06

Thanks to all those of you who are trying to make me feel better.

I have thought about it some more (obviously) and looking back at the situation I don't feel that it was all my fault. The way the boys came to that spot where we were, within a huge field which has a few hilly bits on it where they could have cycled down, and the way they said "Let's go down there" felt as if they had deliberately chosen that spot because we were already playing there. Maybe they didn't, but that's how it felt and that's why I was unfriendly. And I wouldn't have made that "threat" either if that boy hadn't said "So?" when I said he might knock my dd over - implying that it didn't matter at all if he knocked her over or not.

So it wasn't all me being the perpetrator and them being the victims who just responded, I feel. And I still very much stand by my opinion that it is shocking and outrageous when 10-year-olds feel they can call a strange woman a f*ing bitch - I really feel that what I said didn't justify that in the slightest.

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HappyMumof2 · 08/08/2005 19:11

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emkana · 08/08/2005 19:12

Sorry to go on but just to clarify two things:
We wanted to play with the ball in that particular spot because the dd's loved rolling the ball down that track and running after it.

And in answer to Ivortheengine: The boys certainly weren't scared of me! The one actually said to the other, more verbal one: "Look, she's scared of you!" when I was watching them later. And he was right...

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emkana · 08/08/2005 19:14

So Happymumof2, when the boys came to that particular spot where my dd's loved to play at that particular time, I should have just left as quickly as possible? Or what should I have done?

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HappyMumof2 · 08/08/2005 19:16

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ScummyMummy · 08/08/2005 19:19

Er, I think you're sounding a tad self-righteous, happymumof2... Maybe you never make mistakes and need to find your inner child?

GeorginaA · 08/08/2005 19:19

Um HappyMumOf2 - if that had been my son I'd have been fuming at him for behaving like that and relieved that he hadn't "picked" on someone who had decided to whack him one (not that would have been the best response either). He certainly wouldn't be going out on his bike for a fair while after the incident.

I honestly don't think I would have what emkana said as the focus of my ire unless I'd been fed a very skewed version of events...

However, I do think frogs' suggestions are top notch and I'm definitely going to keep them in mind if ever I'm in a similar situation. And respect to marthamoo's mum!

Gobbledigook · 08/08/2005 19:24

Wow - Frogs' advice is fab. Before I'd read that I think I'd have reacted like you emkana - if not worse! But I think Frogs is right about talking to them more like adults to 'get them on side'. In reality though, my overwhelming desire to protect my small babies means that my back is immediately up if they are in any way threatened so it is sometimes hard to act in an adult manner

Not had a situation like this btw - just hypothesising!

HappyMumof2 · 08/08/2005 19:24

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marthamoo · 08/08/2005 19:24

Agree Georgina - I would be both furious and embarrassed if my child ever spoke to an adult like that - even if the adult was in the wrong.

emkana · 08/08/2005 19:32

That's the thing, gdg - where my dd's are concerned I react with such a passion that I surprise myself sometimes. See, I know how to talk to kids that age really - I used to teach in quite a rough secondary school FFS! But my dd's were having such a great time in that particular spot and I didn't want it to end - for their sake - and when the boy said "So?" as if my two-year-old was just a very uninteresting insect that he might as well knock over...
I know I didn't do this right, but just to explain the emotions running through me...
It will be interesting to see what it feels like when my children will be the "big" ones, on the other side of the fence so to speak...
but I hope and pray that my children will never behave in such a manner.

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Lizita · 08/08/2005 20:34

emkana, to offer you more support, I have surprised myself too with my passion when it comes to protecting my dd. I've always been a complete wimp but when it comes to her this monster comes out!

I was at a soft play place once and this little boy not much older than dd (she's almost 2) pushed her over deliberately, banging her head against the table leg. Not only that - he did it another THREE TIMES that afternoon! I was so close to going and whacking him one I was quite at myself, given his age!! (Needless to say his mum did absolutely nothing ).

I think it takes an awful lot of self-control to respond in a mature, calm way as a mother when it comes to our LOs' safety.

milward · 08/08/2005 20:48

They are awful boys. I think it wrong that some kids challenge adults like you experienced. These kids have no respect and I wonder how they'll grow up.

emkana · 08/08/2005 21:14

Thanks for your support.

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handlemecarefully · 09/08/2005 08:41

emkana,

I'm really sorry that you have had a rough time on this thread. I can truly empathise because I'm not at my most rational if dd is threatened, and have to really check my reaction and take a deep breath to calm myself before I approach the other child...it's hard to do, and I've not always handled it well.

emkana · 09/08/2005 09:04

Thank you hmc.

I am still slightly stunned at some of the reactions on this thread. But never mind, it's forgotten about now.
As I said before, it's just very very interesting to see how things can totally go the opposite way to your expectations on Mumsnet... might start a thread about this.

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kid · 09/08/2005 09:17

I try to avoid a situation like this as far as my kids are concerned. If I had been in your position, I reckon I would have just said to my kids, lets go and look for some birds now (or something to move them on to another area).
Proabably not the best thing to do but rather than create a possible threat to my kids, I'd rather prevent an argument. I work with kids and know what some of them are like in school, let alone outside in front of the mates.

DH though, he would have stood his ground and probably would have taken the bikes off the kids!

DD and DS almost got hit by kids on a moped once in a park, the kids were too young to be riding the bikes so had more than likely stole them.

DH grabbed the boys jumper as he went past us, they stopped the bike and went to pick up a really big stick but DH spotted what there were about to do so rushed forward and grabbed the stick first. They then just rode off shouting abuse at us.