This website......

[jon124]

Doesn't know kids, doesn't know how to deal with kids and is setting a bad example. I'm 16 and can already notice that this is quite obviously discrimination in it's mildest form. Oh a website purely for women trying to change a child's life by complaining. How about you look after your kids instead of expecting the government to do it for you.

No doubt this will get deleted in a minute or 2 but you know

Lulu, shops sell to make profits. If they find a reason why the product will make money then they will sell it. Do you think the primark issue is entirely primarks fault? I don't. I think the problem lies with the parents and always will. I've got to an age where everything that happens is my responsibility and what I think is right is all down to what my parents taught me.

Jon, or the good ladies of MN. Who's right? There's only one way to find out...

Indeed, LunaticFringe.

But your child isn't the shops responsibility. As soon as a product leaves the store they couldn't care less what happens with it. However, if the company is losing money because of a product they won't sell it. Whoever bought the bikinis are the problem and I'm sure there is a mother on this website who did. I know you'll all be like oh no we would never do such a thing but secretly you know someone on this site did. There the people to blame.

The problem doesn't lie with parents. I don't know of anyone who would buy a padded bikini for an 16.

I know of plenty of under 16yos who would want them. Because Girls Aloud wear them. Or the pretty one from such and such film has one the same.

The problem lies with the images our children are being bombarded with. It's these images that our children aspire to. They are over sexualised and unobtainable to the normal person.

*under 16yo. I fully expect 16yo's to do their own shopping.

people dont understand that they are sexulising children and making them vulnerable, just like the parents on the alderman hay hospital program they don't realsie they are seriously damagaing their children and making them sexual objects- those are the parents that need help and the shops can go hang

I was under the impression that the bikinis had only just gone on sale, hence the outcry. They have to be made and displayed before they are sold. As has already been said, parents did say 'no', which is why they have been pulled.

You know an awful lot about the bikinis Jon...

Ivy, are you agreeing with me that it is the parents fault? :O I might actually have someone slightly on my side here aha

Shiny, your kids don't have control of what they watch or listen to but you do. If their being influenced it's not because girls aloud or whatever are aiming to but because your allowing them to

ooh, calling me lulu already young man ! where are your manners!!

the point is, the bikini might well not be bought by a 7 years old or her parents. but her 10 year olds sister might well want one

she might wonder why hse has not developed breasts yet, that need padding and support

the 13 year old might buy one and wear it and and no know how to deal with teh unwanted attention, she might think she wants to look older and sexier , but once things cross a line, she has no power to control it

suggesting to children at 7 that a padded bra is a necesity is platning a seed that at 10 or 12 or 13 might flourish and start to gnaw away at her slef esteem

so , jon124, i ask again, what is the correct resposne to shops selling this stuff

Cornsilk, I know what the news has told me. Their padded and bikini's.

Chickens, primark wouldn't have made them unless there was a possibility of making money with them. Nothing to do with morals just business to them.

"I know you'll all be like oh no we would never do such a thing but secretly you know someone on this site did. There[sic] the people to blame."

Would the same apply to lacy black underwear for children, Jon?

Admittedly, a parent who is a paedophile brings with it an enormous amount of issues, but you missed my point a little on that one; my point was that the shops do have a responsibility to children; your assertion that it was solely the parents' responsibility set up a dichotomy between parents and paedophiles which I was challenging.

any parent who would purchase these kinds of items needs educating, it should not be normalised; hanging up there in a shop ready for purchase all innocuous next to the my little ponies.

It is the kind of drip, drip effect of these kinds of products that is dangerous.

The disney store sells sparkly bikinis and cut out swimsuits for toddlers and it all just merges in with the other merchandise.

I wish I could go back to the days when things were so black & white. Unfortunately, I moved out of my parents' house, started working and paying rent and uni fees and all the rest, and then I could see all the grey in between bits.

Primark weren't the first shop to sell inappropriately targeted products and they certainly won't be the last. But mass behavioural and attitude changes start somewhere Jon, and why not on a social media site? It's only an extension of your friend/family/work/school/commuter network. You talk to people about something you're not happy about, they might not be bothered by it, it starts a happy debate. Hey, you just did it too.

PS I'm not totally convinced you are a 16 yo boy, but fair play for trying. And not getting called a troll yet

as i said, the possiblility of making moeny is not necc in selling hte bikins , but people hearing abotu it , hearing the name, goiing in to see the bikins and then seeing somehting else and buying htat

Are you thinking what I'm thinking, cornsilk?

What prey tell should they watch? Because pretty much everywhere you look there are women who don't have enough clothes on.

Okay, lulumaam aha bettter?

There is not correct response to shops. The shops are not the problem and never have and never will be. I could go out and buy cigarettes right now if I wanted to and society would frown on it but the shop didn't tell me to buy it they just supplied it. Bit like stabbings. The police don't arrest the shop that sells the knife but the person who uses it.

• Won't be the last without this sort of campaign, is what I meant to write. Obviously.

Right, Jon, so how would you deal with the bombardment of our children by advertising/music/media? I don't know if you've ever really noticed, but there are billboards, posters, shop window displays etc everywhere depicting young women in their pants. In fact, the Ann Summers in my local shopping centre was advertising 'free lube' in large print across its shop front. Should I keep the children at home, away from all other influences? Or, should I reasonably expect society at large to want my children to grow up as part of a community? Children aren't raised in a bubble, and it is everyone's responsibility to ensure that they get to reach their full potential.

myfirstbump how can i prove i'm 16?

originally this thread was because I didn't agree with this website. Now it's just because I'm intrigued as to how differently people can think even if they agree with a subject.