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This is who the Tory Party are, read this if you are even considering giving them your vote.

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Rhubarb · 09/10/2009 14:03

A few facts about the Conservative Party that you should know if you are being persuaded by their talk of change.

David Cameron was born in London, his father was a stockbroker and his mother the daughter of Sir William Mount. His ancestors from his father?s side hail from bankers and stockbrokers, it?s how they made their fortune. Cameron went to Eton and then Oxford where he was a member of the notorious Bullingdon Club. He has stated publicly that he is a huge fan of Thatcher. Unsurprisingly he voted against the hunting ban, being a hunter himself. He has been criticised by his own party members for being too Etonian and out of touch with reality.

In 1989 Cameron accepted an invite to South Africa paid for by an anti-sanctions lobby. This was whilst Nelson Mandela was still in prison. He was quoted as describing the trip thus: ?it was all terribly relaxed, just a little treat, a perk of the job.?

Cameron?s wife Samantha is the daughter of Sir Reginald Adrian Berkeley Sheffield and the Viscountess Astor. Their combined wealth is estimated at £30m plus.

George Osborne is the eldest son and heir of Sir Peter Osborne and was originally named Gideon. He was educated at Oxford and he too was a member of the Bullingdon Club. He has two children who are privately educated.

He was caught up in the expenses row after he ?flipped? his second home in order to pay less tax, the Lib Dems reckoned he got away with £55,000 by doing this. He also claimed for a mortgage that was paid, chauffeur fares and two copies of a DVD of his own speech on, of all topics, ?value for taxpayers money?. He subsequently paid it back.

He also tried to solicit a £50,000 donation from a Russian multi-billionaire back in 2008.

So there are 3 members of Oxford?s Bullingdon Club in the Tory Party right now, all from the same year. Isn?t that nice for them? A club that was noted for it?s drunken antics, willful destruction of restaurants (run by working class people), bars and windows and it?s arrogance in the face of the law.

Of the Tory Party itself, there are currently 17 Conservative women MPs compared to 95 in the Labour Party.
Of the occupations of MPs, in the 2005 general election there were 35 manual workers in the Labour Party compared to 2 in Conservative. Labour had 32 school teachers, Tories had 6.
In the same election there were 13 non-white Labour MPs and just 2 Conservative MPs.
Of those going to fee-paying schools, in 2005 118 Tory MPs came from fee-paying schools compared to 63 Labour MPs. 43% of Tory MPs were Oxbridge education compared to 16% of Labour.

So whenever anyone tries to tell you that the Conservatives do live in the real world and are all for making ordinary peoples lives better, quote these figures at them.

Me, I might vote Lib Dems.

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foxinsocks · 09/10/2009 14:39

cross post with you crumpet

WartoScreamo · 09/10/2009 14:39

OMG - So if David Cameron's missus is a descendant of the Astors - that means I am actually distantly related to him/her!!!! The Astors are cousins (I think) many times removed. I'm obviously from the peasant a different branch of the family! God how scary!

I'll be checking my family tree later!

Rhubarb · 09/10/2009 14:40

Because he's a warmongerer.

However at Uni he was a socialist. Something the Tories can't even spell.

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smallwhitecat · 09/10/2009 14:40

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silverfrog · 09/10/2009 14:40

I'm not sure how you can make the leap form being at oxford and in a club together to "have no intention of making this country better for the ordinary working person for whom they have no respect"

they don't actually have to follow on form each other...

fair enough if that is your opinion, but to present it as "they have money, were privately educated, Oxbridge educated and therefore are not in touch with reality" is a bit much

take the oney bit out of the equation and the rest applies to me.

Now, I will certainly never be running the country, but I am also not out of touch with reality.

It is just such a ridiculous premise, tbh

crumpet · 09/10/2009 14:40

OK maybe "stuffed full" is a slight exaggeration, but it is by no means unusual.

Rhubarb · 09/10/2009 14:42

crumpet, if you look at the stats you'll see that there are far fewer Oxbridge grads in the Labour Pary, just 16% compared to Tories 43%.

And as for women MPs, only 17 in Conservative, 95 in the Labour Party.

The ordinary public is woefully misrepresented in the Conservative Party.

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smallwhitecat · 09/10/2009 14:43

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Rhubarb · 09/10/2009 14:44

Course it is silverfrog, that 3 of them were part of a club who trashed restaurants - those are someone's business, someone's livelihood - smashed hotels, shop windows, went on drinking rampages. They sound like thugs that should be on Asbos.

They've married gentry, they come from gentry. DC has a family of bankers and stockbrokers!

Reminds me of the Jarvis Cocker song....

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Rhubarb · 09/10/2009 14:45

swc, you are failing to look at my stats that I have provided for you.

Labour party full of Oxbridge grads? I don't think so!

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policywonk · 09/10/2009 14:46

There is, I think, a reasonable point to be made about Cameron: that he has literally never spent any appreciable time outside the M40 corridor (something that can't be said even of Blair - his consituency was in the north-east, for starters). Cam does have a worrying lack of hinterland and life experience. (Which is not to say that Blair had a great deal of either.)

crumpet · 09/10/2009 14:46

Also there is a large number of unelected labour peers in the cabinet - not got time to research the equivalent tories, but to have at least 7 members of the cabinet not answerabel to the electorate strikes me as slightly less than democratic.

Rhubarb · 09/10/2009 14:46

And I do detect a small amount of condenscending tone - you can get a spray for that you know.

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crumpet · 09/10/2009 14:48

And John Prescott (sober) punching a man in full public view is somehow better than a drunken student incident? I went to a v bog standard university and stupid drunken behaviour which resulted in damage wasn't, unfortunately, that uncommon.

Rhubarb · 09/10/2009 14:48

There is nothing democratic about this country, Blair went to war against the wishes of his people, the people who voted for him.

I'm not defending the Labour Party, corrupt bastards that they are too.

I'm erring towards Nick Clegg but he probably has his mother put his milk on his cornflakes every morning.

Who else can you vote for? I'm a socialist at heart.

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Rhubarb · 09/10/2009 14:50

crumpet, the Bullingdon Club is far worse than that.

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smallwhitecat · 09/10/2009 14:50

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Hassled · 09/10/2009 14:50

Much as it would stick in my throat to ever vote Conservative, I really don't think that individuals can be discredited as politicians because they happened to be born with a silver spoon in their mouths. It's as discriminatory as saying someone without an Oxbridge degree can't be taken seriously.

I wouldn't trust Osborne as far as I could throw him, but that's because he's slimy and odious, not because he was born rich.

HerHonesty · 09/10/2009 14:50

erm crumpet you are on EXTREMELY thin ground when it comes to unelected peers.....

Rhubarb · 09/10/2009 14:53

swc, well you certainly aren't are you? If the Tories get in, the banks will get their own way and we'll be heading straight for another financial disaster.

The Tories and banks go hand in hand. Some of their biggest funders are the banks.

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TheCrackFox · 09/10/2009 14:53

I don't get the big deal about Cameron going to Eton. Blair went to Fettes and that is every bit as expensive and elitist. Besides, children do not get to choose their parents. I can't remember my parents giving me any say on the school I attended - bog standard comp just down the road.

I actually think it belittles any valid arguments that could be made about the Tories bringing up an accident of birth.

SomeGuy · 09/10/2009 14:54

Tony Blair went to the Eton of Scotland.

The last Tory PM was very working class indeed. The fact that so many of both parties as well as the media are privately educated has a lot to do with the antics of the Labour party in the 60s, closing down the grammar schools.

The grammar school that John Major went to is now a comprehensive where fewer than 40% of the students get 5 good GCSEs. Margaret Thatcher's old grammar school still survives, but in general the grammar school generation is aging, and with educational opportunities for all but the rich so badly damaged by Labour, it's no surprise to see the outcomes in our society today.

People like to blame Thatcher for society's woes, but in fact the Labour party was responsible for instance for knocking down communities and turning them into tower block slums, for destroying education, for reinforcing poverty via the creation of the welfare state, and plenty more.

silverfrog · 09/10/2009 14:55

are there any other jobs that privately educated people shouldn't do, rhubarb, or is it just government they are not allowed into?

after all, I may be a sahm now, but I might be able to return to work one day (when, fr'instance we actually have a governement that recognises that mainstream inclusion is not suitable for all children, and comes up with a workable solution to educating my dd) and I'd like to know what areas to avoid...

smallwhitecat · 09/10/2009 14:56

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TheCrackFox · 09/10/2009 14:57

Silverfrog - I am a SAHM now but I also went to a crap school which means I am best placed to be running the country.

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