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My uncle has been accused of sexual abuse and I need to talk to you

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ToProtectTheInnocent · 12/04/2005 23:14

To protect, that?s why I?ve changed my name. Doesn?t feel right to do this with people knowing who I am, for my family?s sake, so sorry for the name change.

My uncle has just been on trial for sexually assaulting his daughter and his granddaughter.
The jury found him guilty today and the judge has given him 3 weeks to get his affairs in order before sentencing him.

He is about 76 years old and will probably die in prison.

So, me and my family, my parents, his wife, his other kids, his brothers and sisters, his other family, his friends are all sitting there tonight feeling all sorts of emotions, and the big question did he or didn?t he?

His daughter, the accuser, through a difficult phase she sent her DD to stay with him, and her mother, even though he allegedly abused her as a child. The granddaughter then blossomed and came out of her shell while in the care of this alleged abuser. Would you send your DD to live with the man that abused you as a child?

The mother, the wife, is saying there?s no way it happened. There are times and incidents that she says are impossible.

My uncle is/was an alcoholic, admits to being a bad father, but has been impotent since his drinking problems began.

Don?t know what to think really.

From my cousin?s POV, why say it happened and go through that if it didn?t. I know she?s angry, very angry with her father for his terrible parenting and I know she hates him basically. I also know her DH has been the instigator in all this. I know my cousin is an angry, pretty fucked up person.

I know my uncle admits to being a bad father but he swears, to our faces that he didn?t do what she is accusing him of.

If he did do it, why has she waited until he is 76 and will die in prison?
If he didn?t do it, could she lie like this, I can?t imagine she could but then again I can?t believe he could do what she?s accusing him of.

There was an incident where my cousin says as a young child she stole money from his wallet and he beat her really badly. My aunt says that she would have seen the marks and she knows it didn?t happen.

There was also a time when my cousin was doing some sort of course and had to submit some papers actually on child abuse. She asked her mother, my aunt, advise on a question and my aunt said to her DD ? well actually you don?t know this but I was abused as a child by my step-father?. Why didn?t my cousin choose then to disclose her story of abuse.

There was another time when my aunt, full of despair at my uncles drinking, drove him to a rehab clinic and left him there and was ready to leave him for good, my cousin was well aware of this. Why then as her mother was about to leave her father did she not speak out.

I want to, and mainly, perhaps wrongly, do believe and still love my uncle.
But why would my cousin do this if it weren?t true?
It?s so hard.

I don?t know what to think. Only 2 people know the truth and they both have very different stories. It?s so awful.

I don?t know why I?m pouring this out here, but it seems like a good place to let off.

All I ask is that if you post, and you think my uncle is guilty, please spare mine and my families feelings, just a bit.
We?re hurting and love my uncle very much, so please, please, I?m asking you to not condemn him. I don?t expect you all to believe he is innocent, I just don?t want you to lash out with anger at someone that is accused of such awful crimes. We?re all mothers, or fathers, here, we all feel strongly about this subject, but right now I?m, we?re hurting and we?re seeing it from the side of a 76 year old man who will die in prison and we don?t know if he did or if he didn?t. I?m trusting this with you. I know I?ve changed my name but you must understand why. Be honest, be yourself but please don?t be cruel.

I hope I don?t regret sharing this, but couldn?t not.

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BadgerBadger · 13/04/2005 00:34

FWIW, I would probably not take into account my step father's circumstances (age or otherwise) if I chose to take him to court. He removed my rights long ago and I would have no qualms about returning the gesture.

ToProtectTheInnocent · 13/04/2005 00:34

Shit
Well what should I do?
I'm not angry with anyone, just confused and hurt and well, sleepless and feeling like shit.
Oh dear God. It's so weird to feel so sad when everything you are telling me makes me think he must be guilty. I hate that I'm being one of your family that is not accepting what has been done. That must have been so shit, and yet here I am.

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ToProtectTheInnocent · 13/04/2005 00:37

Oh Badger, I'm so sorry for what happened to you and for wanting to believe who you must see in my uncle. See I can't face what must look to you as obvious.

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BadgerBadger · 13/04/2005 00:43

TPTI, I'm so sorry that you feel so bad . It really does make me furious that abusers (assuming he is, which I'm afraid I would tend towards) lie so bl**dy blatantly to those that love them.
What an awful position for him to put you all in. Not only will it have made life nearly unbearable for your cousin and her daughter, but for the rest of the family too.

What should you do? There is only one sure thought that returns time and again to me as I read and re-read this thread..... ring your cousin, if only to ask after her daughter (have realised that I've reffered to her as your niece on some posts, sorry! Late night confusion).

Whatever has gone one there is one of the younger generation caught up in all this and she deserves to be considered, don't you think?

ToProtectTheInnocent · 13/04/2005 00:45

I'm sorry for what happened to all of you who have been abused and please forgive me for wanting, trying, needing to believe my uncle. I hate that I can be put in the same box as the relatives that denied you, truly, truly I hate that and am finding that so hard.

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BadgerBadger · 13/04/2005 00:46

TPTI, hindsight. That's all there is to it and don't worry, don't feel bad for me. I feel very sad for you and your family's situation as it stands .

nuffsaid · 13/04/2005 00:46

This is the first time I have ever "talked" about this so bear with me.

I was abused as a child by my own father. My mother knew what was happening and nothing ever happened to stop it. I went to school covered in bruises. I did everything in my power to protect my younger siblings from ever finding out.

I finally left home at a very young age and escaped. My biggest fear was that he would move on to my sisters.

I was labelled by my family as the black sheep of the family. I was a bad apple and my mother said it was a good riddance that I ran away.

We were a very well to do family. Father was high up in the church. Mother ran several church groups. They were very respected members of the community. To the out side world we were the perfect family. Little did they know that inside the confines of our house my father was a monster.

I never returned to my family home. I had contact with my siblings as often as I could.I needed to know they were OK.

A few months before my father died I went to visit him. He looked me in the eye and said he was sorry. A little to late for me I am afraid.
My life has been deeply affected by his actions. My own husband is the only other person apart from my mother who knows about the abuse I suffered.

At the end of the day I still cried for my father when he died. I miss him dearly now. I long for my childhood to have been different. I wanted a daddy, not a monster for a father. Even now my mother will never talk about the things she witnessed. It is almost as if it was a dream and on the occassions I have bought up the subject of abuse she will still deny what happened.She says that Im just reverting back to being the bad apple.

I loved my father with all my heart and yet I despise him just as much.

I think all you can do now is support and love your family as much as possible. If this has happened in your life then I am truely sorry for all of you and that includes your dear uncle.

Have you thought that maybe you may get some help from seeing a counsellor? I know that it helped me an awful lot.

You obviously have very strong affection for him and I can understand that. I still loved my father even though he hurt me so much and took away my childhood.

You and your family are in my thoughts at this very difficult time.

nightowl · 13/04/2005 00:47

i dont think anyone really is saying that he is most definately guilty. we've just tried to give a few reasons perhaps for your cousin's behaviour if this is true. the thing is, any woman here who has lied about this sort of thing is very unlikely to come and admit it on your thread...do you see what i mean? of course there are women who do lie but i cant imagine them posting about it. i understand that it must be truly horrible for you and its nothing to be ashamed of that you love your uncle and dont want to believe it. i think that unfortunatly you may have to accept that you will never know what happened...easier said than done obviously .

ToProtectTheInnocent · 13/04/2005 00:53

oh God, but Badger, if I do that, which I understand you wanting me to do, it's turning my back on my mum, my uncle and my aunt, my other aunts and uncles my cousins, al o f whom want not to believe, I've never spoken to her before, she is much older than me, was a teenage bridesmaid at my mothers wedding. I want to ring and speak to her younger brother more. I'm sorry, I know that must feel like betrayal after what you have been though. Thank you for posting tonight, I need this, and I need you, thank you.

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BadgerBadger · 13/04/2005 01:01

TPTI, I'm going to bow out now.

I hope you can come to some sort of understanding of all that has happened and what is to come.

My brother is still in touch with my parents though my sister isn't. I don't harbour any bad feeling towards him for this, how could I?! I love him and understand his need for his parents (for what they are worth).

By the same token I understand how difficult this is for you. I hope you come to a point where it makes some sort of sense to you and can move on.

xx

BadgerBadger · 13/04/2005 01:02

Ah shucks, well if you need me? I'm here

ToProtectTheInnocent · 13/04/2005 01:03

Oh Nuffsaid, what the hell can I say? I'm so sorry. There are so many people out there that have been abused just look at this thread already. I really cannot thank you enough for sharing such painful memeories with me, I don't deserve it. Nuffsaid for you to share that, your first time aside from your husband, I'm speechless, truly.
From this evenings posts I'm thinking that it is very difficult to continue to believe he is innocent . I just have to deal with how I face my mother, and how I stay positive and support her. I feel so awful for what must seem to you like siding with the guilty, the abuser. It just doesn't feel, in my heart like that's what I'm doing. I'm sorry I put you through this, I'm not finished dealing with this though.

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BadgerBadger · 13/04/2005 01:04

No, two very different families and two very different situations - don't mention the 'B' word again!

Is the thought of calling your cousins brother really something you would consider?

ToProtectTheInnocent · 13/04/2005 01:10

I'm not sure what the 'b' word is!

Yes, I would call her brother. I was closer to him growing up and have seen a lot more of him. He, fwiw, didn't believe his dad had abused his sister. He must be going through hell now and I want to support him. It's easier, as a person wanting to believe the accused, to support my cousin who also believes his dad. i know that is shit for all of you that have suffered at the hands of an abuser and I'm so sorry.

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BadgerBadger · 13/04/2005 01:24

'B' for betrayal, and for that matter, no more 'S's either! (Sorry, in other words ).

Please stop apologising, I think everyone who has posted understands what a difficult situation this must be.

Right, as far as your cousins brother is concerned, if you were once close it might be nice to call him anyway? Regardless of his stance on this, I mean.

My grandparents take a fairly neutral stance regarding my childhood. They are my mothers parents so this will have been very difficult over the years for them, but we have a fantastic relationship. The key to this I think has been that we do not mud sling in each others presence. I mean, if we talk about the abuse, we speak plainly, don't go into what if's and maybe's, try to keep what is a very emotive and intricate subject as simple as possible.

They might be tips worth taking into account. Sometimes people, particularly in a group become so desperate to convince themselves and each other of the truth of what they want to believe, they will completely lose their individual grasp of what is, IYKWIM?

BadgerBadger · 13/04/2005 01:25

Ooops, I think my apostrophes have gone to bed!

ToProtectTheInnocent · 13/04/2005 01:31

Nuffsaid, I have read your post a dozen times. You are amazing. To be able to say, after what you have been through, " I am truely sorry for all of you and that includes your dear uncle.", I admire and thank you so much. I was dreading posters telling me that my uncle was evil scum, but I have found compassion and support in those who have been abused themselves. You have all stunned me with your compassion. Thank you for your honesty, thank you for not being harsh, for actually understanding and being able to see it from where I, and my immediate family, are sitting.

A question - do you think my mother would benefit, find a way to come to terms with this, by reading this thread?

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ToProtectTheInnocent · 13/04/2005 01:33

I took ages to post so missed your Badger, thank you so much.

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ToProtectTheInnocent · 13/04/2005 01:35

I suspect you have all gone to bed. Not sure I'm ready for sleep just yet.

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BadgerBadger · 13/04/2005 01:37

TPTI, I'm going to have to go to bed, I'm sorry. I'll look out for you tomorrow.
Night-night.

re. Your Mum reading this thread, I don't know if it would benefit her as such, it may well go against much of what she is feeling at present. But then again, if it has been of any help to you in offering you other perspectives, then maybe it will do so for her too?

Thinking of you and your family.
xx

nightowl · 13/04/2005 01:39

i have to be honest...i dont think it would help...i cant quite explain why, dont know how to put it into words.

ToProtectTheInnocent · 13/04/2005 01:40

Thanks BB, will go and sit in front of telly and try and switch of myself now. I so appreciate you being there and sharing stuff with me.

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ToProtectTheInnocent · 13/04/2005 01:41

Nightowl, I think I'll keep this to myself, with you and BB saying you think not you've confirmed that it might not be right.

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nightowl · 13/04/2005 01:43

im not sure why i think it...maybe its just too much "in your face" kind of stuff right now? maybe wait until the dust has settled? i dont know, its hard to say.

nuffsaid · 13/04/2005 22:58

Just wanted to say I have been thinking about you and your family all day and I hope and pray that you can find some comfort in one another.

Take care.

xxxxxx