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5 yo boys and toy guns: a quick poll

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frogs · 27/01/2005 15:02

I know lots of mners have 5yo boys, so thought I'd do a quick check to see what your policies are on toy guns. As I see it, there are 5 choices:

  1. Ban all guns, including pretend ones made out of sticks or Lego.

  2. Allow stick or Lego guns, but nothing else.

  3. Allow toy guns as long as obviously not realistic, eg. pop-guns, water-pistols.

  4. Allow realistic toy guns if given by others, but wouldn't buy them yourself.

  5. Allow pretty much anything.

FWIW, I've gone for no. 3, with the added proviso that he's not allowed to point the pretend gun at any one, or play 'bang-bang you're dead' kind of games. That's mainly because I don't personally like the whole guns thing, maybe cos I grew up without brothers. But I know ds loves toy guns, and his face lights up when he goes to other boys' houses and sees their armouries, and sometimes wonder whether I should just get over myself.

What do you all think?

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scotlou · 27/01/2005 16:19

My ds (5) has no "proper" toy guns - although he does have a water pistol. He also has an Action Man with guns. I certainly don't encourage him "shooting" other people (live close to Dunblane so feels very wrong to me). I would not buy him an actual toy gun - and would be very upset if someone else did. However, if he uses sticks etc I wouldn't stop him. I don't like swords either - in fact they are worse as they inflict actual pain with them when they start hitting each other!

lowcalCOD · 27/01/2005 16:24

oh and any one who has seen boys with sticks knows that youa re fighting a losin battle!

amynnixmum · 27/01/2005 16:25

Oh yes Big pile of sticks behind our dustbin as i refuse to let them in the house.

doobydoo · 27/01/2005 16:34

We bought ds 5.5 a game called tin can alley for Christmas from Argos.Felt it was a compromise.The gun has a laser thing you point it at cans and it shoots em off the wall.

lou33 · 27/01/2005 16:37

mine have them but they prefer swords

pebbley · 27/01/2005 16:44

This is also a common dilemma for preschool and Reception teachers as. It was discussed recently on the TES website. Have a look
here

paolosgirl · 27/01/2005 16:50

I don't like them, but DS loves them. He has used his pocket money to buy a couple - I don't stop him doing it, just as I don't stop DD buying her bloody Barbies, but I make sure he knows exactly what guns do, and why they are bad.

Bozza · 27/01/2005 16:56

DS (rather like next door's dog) brings a stick home from every walk. We have a small collection by the front door. Now I think about it he does actually have muskets that came as part of the lego pirate ship - they are tiny so not much use to actually point at anybody.

Lonelymum · 27/01/2005 16:59

I would say I fit either 3 or 4. I think my ds's had a rifle type gun when one of them was 5 but mainly they have pop-guns (the hit of this Christmas) and water pistols. But my boys aren't very aggressive and don't really go round shooting people. Even the pop-gun was more about the noise than the playing at killing.

Lonelymum · 27/01/2005 17:00

Oh yes and ds1 did air rifle shooting at Cubs and still won't let me throw away his target!

weightwatchingwaterwitch · 27/01/2005 18:57

There was a long and interesting discussion about this 2 years ago here (I'm NOT saying the discussion can't be had again, I'm just saying it was interesting and some people might like to read it). I argued against toy guns on that thread and said "maybe I am being incredibly naive in thinking I can stem the flow of guns into the house as ds gets older but I'm going to have a good try anyway. I'll let you know in a few years."

I posted that in 2003 and 2 years later, ds is 7 and we still don't have any guns in the house and never have had them. And he's not remotely interested in them, he's moved onto Pokemon, football, Star Wars (we do have light sabers!) I know it might not be anything to do with my banning them but still, just thought I'd let you know! I just asked him what he thought, hoping he'd back me up and he said he'd like a toy gun. Pah! Too bad, he's NOT getting one!

lowcalCOD · 27/01/2005 18:59

t yes ours were given them but have never been bothered about them

roisin · 27/01/2005 19:07

I guess we fall into category 1. But like others here my boys have not shown any particular interest in them ... they don't make them out of K'nex and Lego anyway.

Swords though are a different matter. I think swords are worse than guns, because a toy sword is (surely) designed to hit (and hurt) another child with. We are definitely in category 1 with swords, but unlike guns they do from time to time make/play swords with K'nex, plastic cricket stumps, anything long and thin really. But they don't do it much, because anything used in this way goes straight in the bin

redsky · 27/01/2005 19:30

option 5 i think - not sure cos ds never showed any interest. but he's now into 'grand theft auto' like all his friends and that is worrying. (he is 17)

Caligula · 27/01/2005 19:36

I'm roughly at 4. Have never felt particularly strongly about this issue, as I have the same attitude to it as to horror films - guns, swords etc., obviously fulfill some need or other which I can't begin to understand or approve of, but in the great scheme of things as long as those are not the main toys he has, and he isn't obsessively playing with them like some kind of scarey weird kid, I am reluctantly resigned to them.

I wouldn't buy them for him though, or for any other child in case it upset their parents.

frogs · 27/01/2005 19:41

Looks like I'm not too out of step then. FWIW we do have swords, though I tend to put them away when other children come to visit, as IME they don't encourage peaceful constructive play.

In the end the decision is a pretty arbitrary one in parenting terms, so setting the boundaries according to my own sensitivities is probably as good as anything.

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oxocube · 27/01/2005 19:44

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tigermoth · 28/01/2005 07:09

Option 5 for my youngest son, aged 5. Might not have many munsnetters wanting to visit me!

Reasons for options 5? ds has always been fascinated by the armed forces - not just the gun aspect, but also the vehicles, the uniforms and all the other equipment. Army families sent children to his first nursery, so aged 3, he saw his friends being collected by their soldier dads in uniform. I don't know if this sparked off his interest.

He is very into role play and construction games - loves dressing up and making things from string, paper and sticky tape. Army toys are just one aspect of this. He likes toy cars and lego as well. I would not feel so relaxed about his guns and arm stuffy if this was all he played with.

He has a big box of toy army soldiers, tanks etc and loves quietly setting them up and making landscapes out of cushions and blankets on the floor. I took him to see the Lord Mayors show recently - lots of soldiers and tanks in the procession. He was enthralled. He tells me he wants to go to military school when he leaves primary school. Whatever it is about the army, it has really caught my son's imagination and I think it would be a little cruel of me to ban all things army from his life.

Compared to his older brother at that age, he is, IMO, good at playing nicely by himself or with other children - good at sharing, makes friends easily, doesn't get into fights that often. I can take him to a playground or party and be fairly confident he will not get into a scuffle or be spiteful. So far, he seems ok at school from the socialising point of view. His last nursery report stated he was very good at empathising with other children and was a popular member of the class. Because of the above, I feel ok about him having guns as I don't think they have made him more aggressive or affected his social skills.

As an adult, I don't like guns, but I don't think my son realises the full connotations of gun play. It is mostly a way of him using his imagination. I am happy for him to buy toy guns with his pocket money. Amongst other toys, he got army soldiers, a large tank, an army suit and a large gun (with sound effects) for christmas.

Having said that, when he has guns ( as opposed to small army toys) and is playing with someone else, the running around, shouting, leaping on furniture games can get out of hand, so I try to set a time limit. Then the boys give me the guns and I hide them. But these running around, shouting games are just as likely to get out of hand if gunes are not around - wrestling games can cause just as much havoc. So the wild behaviour is not simply a gun thing. I agree with those who say swords cause more damage. There;s more likelhood of physical contact with them IME. We have a big collection of banned swords and light sabres languishing on the top of the kitchen cupboard.

My oldest son was into toy guns for a while (along with loads of other things) but never into army toys or army role play. However he loves target shooting as a sport, along with darts and archery, and is very much looking forward to owning an air pistol.

My dh (who was in the navy) is a good, trained marksman and collects and restores old guns. He doesn't belong to a gun club - it is not a big hobby, but is it one of his interests. His job as a pest conrol officer could, in the future, involve shooting rats and pigeons (this is being debated by his bosses at the moment). My sons know all this and are very impressed.

tigermoth · 28/01/2005 07:12

whoops spelling mistake! how did 'army stuff' become arm stuffy!!

FairyMum · 28/01/2005 08:07

My ds1 is only 3 1/2, but I think I will be 2 or possible 3. I actually think all the violent computer games are worse.

Gobbledigook · 28/01/2005 09:52

This is so spooky as I was just about to post about this! DS1 is 3.10 and yesterday when he came home from nursery he said to me 'Mrs X says we can make guns at home if Mummy says yes', I say 'buns?', 'no, guns....if Mummy says yes'. This really took me aback as I've never heard him say the word gun and he's never had any has never made any out of lego or sticks. He's never watched anything with guns in it so he wouldn't think to do so.

He's obviously picked it up at nursery and when I spoke to Mrs X today she said, yes, some of the boys ds1's age have told her about things they've watched that are highly inappropriate for 3/4 yr olds and she says some of them are into running around with anything they can fashion as a gun.

Made me really sad actually as I know it's unavoidable that ds1 will learn these things and pick them up from children whose parents aren't as bothered about retaining their kids' innocence as I am! Although actually, it's not really been that conscious a decision on my part - they just don't watch anything beyond CBeebies, Thomas, Brum and Piglet movie. DS1 even finds Nemo frightening!

So, we are on 1 in our house and I hope I can keep it that way as long as possible but I know from growing up with 2 brothers myself that it's only a matter of time before they are 'shooting' each other with sticks (I've got 3 boys!).

kymbo · 28/01/2005 10:03

I have to go with option 1. After recently losing a close friend to gun violence,it make's me cringe whenever ds goes on about them(which isn't all the time,just the same as an average 4-5yr old). Tried explaining to him why mummy gets upset about it,but found it really difficult.

lapsedrunner · 28/01/2005 10:41

Not yet an issue as ds is 2.4 but I'm with Tigermoth on this, I'd be a bit hypocritical if I didn't go with option 5. dh and I are both ex regular Army and I'm still in TA so having soldier mummy say no to toy guns could be a bit tricky! Oh yes and I must be a really bad Mother as just remembered ds has a picture of dh in uniform (with weapon)on his bedroom wall.I may never be allowed to post here again.

expatkat · 28/01/2005 11:43

For my 5-yr-old ds, option 5

Reasoning: (a) things can become more enticing when they're not allowed (even though www's ds seems to have proven the opposite) and (b) I believe in going with a child's interests, so if it's armed forces (like Tigermoth's son) then go ahead and teach them lots about armed forces. My kids are allowed guns, but I don't think we actually have any except for a couple of water pistols. They're just not interested.

marthamoo · 28/01/2005 11:58

Yes, we have guns (Jango Fett ray gun and water pistols, we were also given a very realistic looking rifle thing which shoots rubber darts by an insane Auntie - that's been "disappeared" but they still ask for it), lighsabers and swords. My two boys (7 and 3) spend most of their play time running round the house "shooting" each other, shouting "you dead!" (yes, the 3 year old too) and re-enacting graphic war scenes. The three year old also throws chunks of Duplo around and calls them "Fermal Dentenators" That's thermal detonators, as in Star Wars.

To be honest, I have given up - I had all these lovely ideas with ds1 and he had nothing gun shaped at all, so would make his own out of Lego, sticks etc. He didn't know the word "gun" though and called them douffers after the noise the blaster guns make in Star Wars. No such niceties with ds2 - he has picked it all up from ds1 and has been known to say things like "you dead - I shoot your head off!"

I know, I know, I'm a truly crap Mum who should blush to call herself a Guardian reading pinko leftie.

At Mums and Tots the other week, ds2 was playing Sticklebricks with two other little boys - the other two made a fantastic array of buildings and ds2 made a gun and went round shooting everyone. I caught the raised eyebrow look between the Mums of the other two boys (probably think I let ds2 watch "Saving Private Ryan" instead of Teletubbies) and thought smugly to myself - you just wait 'til your two are the eldest and you have second children - it's much harder to keep their world "gun free" when you have an older school-going sibling around.

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