1st adult British passport, no contact with my mum

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Hello,

I hope you are well.

I am really needing advice.

Unfortunately, my parents did not make me a passport as a child, and now having a family of my own, we want to go abroad. I applied for my first adult British passport, but they said they need my EU mother's payslips , or her jobseekers information and her passport from nearly 40 years ago. How ?

The thing is, due to severe abuse growing up, I don't have contact with her after running away from home at age 21 years old. At the time, and a bit after the police was involved too.

I told them I was born in the UK, spent my whole life here, my biological mother is from the EU and she worked , and in the British Nationality Act 1981, I am a British national born citizen, even the UKVI said I am, but HMPO. The passport office said, if I don't give them , I am not a British national born citizen. I rang UKVI and they said I am a British national born citizen as the law states, and they don't understand why the passport office said this.

The passport office said, if I don't give them those pieces of information, then I have to register as British from birth. However, UKVI said I don't. When I told the passport office what UKVI said, the passport office said that ukvi was wrong.

My MP , UKVI and the CAB even said in law I am a British born national citizen.

I will really do not know what to do. I am at a real loss.

I don't have the money to register as British by birth.

Please advise?

Thank you kindly in advance

Where were you and your parents born?

Thank you for your reply.

My mum born in Germany
My dad born in a commonwealth country.
I was born in the UK

They said my dad wouldn't work , unless she sponsored him or he wrote her name on his visas at the time.

I applied for my first adult British passport, but they said they need my EU mother's payslips , or her jobseekers information and her passport from nearly 40 years ago. How ?

this would be protected by data protection if the person is living

even requesting this information to be shared to the relevant other department isn’t possible, bypassing you, isn’t possible due to data protection

what is your MPs answer to the conundrum?

My friend was similarly stuck she ended up having to map out her life for an identity interview. Birth certificate, letter from childhood Gp, confirmation of attendance at primary/ secondary/ university. Hmrc records, everything. It took months but she got a passport

If you’ve got any very contact with your Dad/ other relatives it would be s good idea to try and. Get info

Ask for case to be escalated

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6357e2bce90e0777a45a9cc4/Supporting_documents_not_available_V8.pdf

Thank you MikeRafone for your response.

My MP said she contacted the previous immigration minister who said I am a British national born citizen in law, and rightfully deserve a British passport. However he resigned , and ii have that correspondence too.
She now said she needs to ask the replacement minister too.
Then she said if this is something the passport office needs, the law for those people like me must be ammended.

Just waiting to see what the new one will say.

Thank you

FuckinghellthatsUnbelievable,

Thank you for your reply.

They did not even ask me for an identity interview.

I have escalated it many times since e March this year , but nothing.

Thank you for the advice.

I will get started on planning and mapping my life history.

I don't remember my old GP as a baby or a child of obviously, how do I get this information?
From around 10- 11years old I remember , but not as a baby evidently?

Thank you

Urgh I think the problem really is that they rely or on your parents documents. My DC got their first passport's as an adult and it was a complete pain in the arse!! For one of them neither me or DH had current passports and the hoops we had to jump through.

I hope you get it sorted, and yes the law needs changing so you aren't dependent on you parents documents the way you are currently.

Do you have a copy of both parents birth certificates as you will definitely need them and assume you can get copies?

I know there was a rule change in 1981.
I wonder if you are in the tougher side of that change, causing the difference between the responses?

You may have no choice but to register as British by birth. I'm guessing it's not just the money, but the time and headache of all that.

Your nhs number will be the one issued you at birth. Ask Your gp to provide you with details of your previous addresses / Gp registrations by looking at National Care Records Service. They will probably charge you a small fee

RandomMess,

Thank you for you reply.

It's odd even as adults we need out parents authorisation so to speak . I hope no one is in my situation in the future, but if so , the law must make alternatives for people whereby they are not in contact with their parent/s.

I have ordered my mother's birth certificate from Germany - just waiting for them in the post , and my dad bless him, gave me his original passports, his all entire immigration papers and cards, from when he came to the UK. My dad is a naturalised British citizen, but after I was born which is really not helpful for me sadly. Bless him, he is trying to help any way .

Has he had IRL by the time you were born by any chance? And were they married? If you were born 83+

While it's quite unfair in some way that they want your parents' proof of being settled, them the rules unfortunately

SnowsFalling,

My MP and the CAB said that new law rule change made it easier , as all I need is my British birth certificate and my biological mother's birth certificate.

For some reason in the British Nationality Act 1981 , it doesn't say my mother's whole history on Britain in required , it just says any born from 1983-2000 to an EU parent is a British born national citizen as the parent in law was considered as settled and all previous immigration restrictions are disregarded. I was confused, do I rang UKVI and they said the above is the new law.

However , but the passport office said they needi her history. On Saturday just gone, I phoned HMPO who said they did not know about the new part of the rule where all Eu citizens, usually mother's that had kids in the UK between 1983-2000 are considered as settled and therefore can get a British passports . The lady just kept on saying am.i sure , then she said she will ask her Nationality enquiries team.

veggiepigs,

Great, thank you.

On my birth certificate it says my NHS number, so I will ask my GP to look at the national care records. A small fee is better than under £2000 to register as British by birth.

Thank you so much

Chilicabbage,

Thank you for your reply.

My parents were married, and I had to get their marriage certificate from Germany, which was really difficult. I had to prove I was their daughter, and they refused to talk English , only German and I am not a German speaker. Google translate helped alot .

My father had only leave to remain, and enter before my birth . He ssid did spouse visas though, and because if my mother he was able to get 2 yearly fixed spouse visas.
He didn't have ILR before I was born , sadly.

Yes, the rules are rules, but odd every government office said I am a British national born citizen but HMPO without her history in Britain.

Also wanted to add, HMPO said in one of my letters from them, I was not born in the UK, even though I gave them my British birth certificate. Then they said I was refused because I was not born in the UK. Then when I said I was born in the UK, had to contact the registry office of births in London Hackney, then the passport office said that I need my biological mother's full history in Britain.

They do that. We had conflicting visa info even from a HO themselves. Depends who you talk to. It's ridiculous. Are you always talking to one person in HO?
Just saw your update. You need someone else and hold them to "Why are you adamamt I was not born in UK".
HO's last shenanigans costed us 600 (got it back via credit card because they stopped acknowledging ius after issuing letter about refund)

There is also the right to re admission. Might be on his passport?

I rang UKVI and they said the above is the new law

Can you get that in writing from UKVI? Ideally on actual paper, but as a minimum as an email. Then send that to the passport office.

Chilicabbage,

Oh no, that is so much money. Glad it was refunded.

I have spoken to multiple people in the passport office and UKVI. I always ask to speak to the ones that said this and wrote to me in regards to this , and the HMPO customer service line said on my file application I cannot speak to them. Why , I don't know? Then they said they don't know the names on the correspondence sent to me.
I have been wanting to talk to them since March this year.

On my father's passport it only says the following:

Leave to remain
Leave to Enter
No visa required if returning or leaving to the UK before 1990

My dad is a naturalised British citizen, but after I was born

AFAIK, if a parent is naturalized, any children that had already been born in the UK are automatically registered as British citizens.

NoBinturongsHereMate,

Thank you for your reply.

I asked them to state in writing I am eligible under the new regulisation June 2023 bill of the 1981 British Nationality Act, as they told me numerous times over the phone , and they told me to email further Nationality enquiries, who will provide me with an email. This had been one month ago now. Unfortunately, they cannot email other government departments - that is what they told me

PaminaMozart , but my father was naturalised after my birth , and I am.an adult now, so would that work?

Ah - if you have the actual details of the law, that should help.

Can you find the relevant part of the legislation, set out point by point how you meet the rules, and ask them to explain - in detail - why they think you don't?

And all in writing - it's important to make sure there are solid records of every stage of correspondence, so you can easily escalate to higher levels with all the evidence. Copy in your MP every time.

That is exactly what Pamina is saying.

'Already been born' is the same as 'after my birth'.

'Children' in this case means 'offspring' not 'under 18'.

Precisely. A friend of mine was naturalised when her daughter was about 7. They automatically received a registration certificate for her shortly after getting their own naturalisation certificate.

NoBinturongsHereMate,

Thank you , thank you.

I told HMPO my dad got ILR and naturalised after my birth, and they just ignored that and just kept talking about my EU mother.

I will ask HMPO this question anonymously.

HMPO is fixated on my EU mother for some reason only