1st adult British passport, no contact with my mum

[Zssn]

Hello,

I hope you are well.

I am really needing advice.

Unfortunately, my parents did not make me a passport as a child, and now having a family of my own, we want to go abroad. I applied for my first adult British passport, but they said they need my EU mother's payslips , or her jobseekers information and her passport from nearly 40 years ago. How ?

The thing is, due to severe abuse growing up, I don't have contact with her after running away from home at age 21 years old. At the time, and a bit after the police was involved too.

I told them I was born in the UK, spent my whole life here, my biological mother is from the EU and she worked , and in the British Nationality Act 1981, I am a British national born citizen, even the UKVI said I am, but HMPO. The passport office said, if I don't give them , I am not a British national born citizen. I rang UKVI and they said I am a British national born citizen as the law states, and they don't understand why the passport office said this.

The passport office said, if I don't give them those pieces of information, then I have to register as British from birth. However, UKVI said I don't. When I told the passport office what UKVI said, the passport office said that ukvi was wrong.

My MP , UKVI and the CAB even said in law I am a British born national citizen.

I will really do not know what to do. I am at a real loss.

I don't have the money to register as British by birth.

Please advise?

Thank you kindly in advance

PaminaMozart,

Thank you so much.

However, I didn't get any registration certificate automatically . I was 10-11 years old when my dad naturalised in the year 2000. And he had ILR when I was 2 yrs old.

Do you kow can I find out about this please ?

Hi,

Now when I emailed HMPO today morning , I asked them what law they looked at from my application in March 2023, and they said they do not know. They told me to contact the director General, and he said I cannot contact him , because he sent a letter for me to contact the IEC.

The IEC said, I cannot complain about the legislation hmpo used , because in the letter to refer my application to the IEC, it doesn't state the law used by hmpo, so I cannot complain until they write the law they used.

I rang hmpo, and they said they are not sure if they can write the piece of legislation they looked at for my application.

What is happening?

I'm afraid I have no idea. Is your father sure that he did not receive a registration certificate for you?

Have you phoned tha naturalisation department?

The way they are treating you is truly Kafkaesque. Unacceptable!

Maybe contact the press? The Guardian has been running quite a few stories about people stuck in similar nightmares. This one by Lisa O'Caroll only yesterday:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/26/italian-woman-facing-removal-from-uk-despite-permanent-residency-card-brexit

Her Twitter handle is in her byline.

So you applied before the new law came into effect? That may be complicating the matter if you were refused under rule A but are appealing under law B.

Is there any way to withdraw your application and start again?

I have to admit that this one surprised me. It was everywhere for years! And it was free.
But I am absolutely not surprised they now told her to aplly for a wrong thing 🙄

PaminaMozart,

Thank you for your message. After reading your response, I immediately went to write them an email to find out.

Oh my God, that poor lady. I am utterly shocked. Most of the people that made that decision are younger than her indeed. Shocking 😲

The way HMPO has treated me is disgusting, my friend was in a similar situation, after a year they gave sn interview on the condition she found photos of her as s baby from 40 years ago.
My mother, due to her illness which is partly why she abused me as i know now as an adult, burnt all photo albums and pictures of me as a baby..I hope they don't ask about that otherwise what can I do ?

I have been thinking about going to the press , there are so many people in my situation that the law completely ignores

NoBinturongsHereMate,

Hmpo said I can't withdraw as it was refused.

My husband said perhaps as you did,
"So you applied before the new law came into effect? That may be complicating the matter if you were refused under rule A but are appealing under law B."

However, I am a bit concerned if they link my previous application with a new one, and then they know I can't supply her employment history or any immigration history of hers in the UK.

I am thinking to reapply now the new law is in full swing for 3 months plus now

The passport office have been really difficult lately. I don't know if they're just toughening up on immigration or what but it took me months to renew my passport. Nothing quite like you but I kept sending documents and it was never enough.
In the end I wrote an affidavit and got it witnessed by a lawyer which finally put an end to the nonsense. Cost me £10.
Maybe try to speak to an immigration lawyer and see what they say.
There is a website I went on initially for advice. I think it was a 3 day trial for £10 or something and they said do the affidavit.
Your issue is a bit more complicated but worth I think getting proper advice seeing as you've got no where in months
Good Luck and I'm sorry it's been stressful. It's so hard without a passport, caused me no end of issues especially as I was changing jobs and needed proof of Id.

Here is another forum you might try, @Zssn

https://britishexpats.com/forum/citizenship-passports-spouse-family-visas-uk-196/

Howtonamechange,

Sorry to hear it took a long time to renew.

My immigration advisor said as the new law came into force in 29th June 2023, all I needed to do was show my German mother's birth certificate and my British birth certificate and that's all as the new law states : "considered as settled... all previous restriction immigration practices disregarded".

However as it was in the middle of the law change over, perhaps no one knew wharmt rule to follow.

I was reading an article about discrimination of female applicants in the passport office, and in particular those with mixed heritage families like myself. Whilst I can't prove discrimination, my application was refused twice already .

They even said in my first application, I am here illegally which I have in a letter then I phoned UKVI who said as I have a British birth certificate, I am not here illegally and thus never should've been said. I was so terrified, that I cried in my local M&S , broke down in the kids department on the floor, where a lovely old lady reassured me until my husband picked me up.

I am at such a loss what to do.

I am worried if I do another application, it will get refused again 😪

PaminaMozart,

Bless you for all your advice.

I really appreciate it so much .

Will check out the website

I have just spoken to my dad , and he said my mum sponsored him , and her employer at the time wrote to the homeoffice and he put her down as his settled spouse at the time. So if I get his immigration records from the Home Office could that help me ? As it has her sponsoring him.

Hello,

I hope you are all well.

Firstly, I just wanted to thank you all for your help on this situation of mine.
Finally, after 6 and a half months of trying to get every SAR for my medical and academic history of my entire life in the UK , I have have just one more hurdle to overcome.

Only, I do not know how to obtain my 0-10 years old passport that my mother made for me, as the embassy she did it for me when I was born said: they cannot give me that record even though it is mine and it could even be destroyed . On the Form T (register as British since I was born here and spent 0-10 years of my life in the UK ) , it says I need to provide it. How can I show this if there is no way of obtaining it?
It says they need to see I didn't leave the country for 990days in my first 10 years of my life in the UK, or that I did not leave 90days or more every year in the first 10years of my life . Will my SAR medical and academic records confirming attendance be enough?

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you all so much in advance.

I cannot predict the outcome, but you cannot submit what you do not have, so your only option is to submit what you DO have - and do so as clearly and comprehensively as possible, chronologically and concisely. Good luck 🤞

Hi OP. Have you checked these? https://www.immigrationboards.com/index.php?sid=74204ed6dc8d3bf785606e2964622c6c

I am sure there are more people with the same issue so maybe there is a solution in one of the threads. I found them helpful for timelines etc

PaminaMozart,

Thank you so much for your message.

Yes, I uploaded all that I have . My education authority even wrote a letter to say I did not leave the country - hoping that helps too.

It's odd, even though I uploaded 48 files of proof chronologically, it did not go onto the system chronologically so I numbered them from 1-48. Hopefully it will be understandable.

Thankfully my MP said if re-elected she will make enquiries to see a release of my 0-10years old file iif still active.

Chilicabbage,

Thank you so much for this . Will check it out.

Did you include a list of the 48 items, with clear descriptions of what they represent? This is what I meant by "clearly and comprehensively as possible, chronologically and concisely".

The person assessing your case ought to be able to get a clear idea of your entitlement without having to wade through 48 documents. It'll help them determine where possible confirmation of status is to be found, so they can focus on that instead of skim-reading through the lot.

PaminaMozart,

For each upload I wrote in the tab they have on the system:

1 birth records
2 baby gp letter
3 primary school attendance confirmation
4 UK birth certificate

I hope that will be easy for them.

Now thinking about it, perhaps for my medical records I should have wrote each year from my birth medical records I.e.
1989
1990
1991
ect
...

I hope it still be okay for them to decipher