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MUMSNET JURY: SAME CLOTH FOR CLEANING KITCHEN AS FOR TOILET, OR DIFFERENT?

58 replies

QuintessentialShadow · 07/02/2008 17:19

Would you take a new fresh cloth for cleaning your kitchen surfaces, or would you use the same cloth as you just cleaned your toilet with??

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choccypig · 07/02/2008 18:04

Please be joking, I am the worst housekeeper of all time, and even I use separate cloths.

MarsLady · 07/02/2008 18:05

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

You have to ask?????????

nametaken · 07/02/2008 18:06

I use j cloths specially to clean the toilets only and I only use them once then throw them away.

ilovespring · 07/02/2008 18:06

holly shit! these post are truly bonkers!!

would you wipe your arse and put it in your mouth!

ilovespring · 07/02/2008 18:06

holly shit! these post are truly bonkers!!

would you wipe your arse and put it in your mouth!

RubySlippers · 07/02/2008 18:08

eeeeeeeeeeuwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwcccccch!

ask the agency to send someone else round and explain why

scottishmummy · 07/02/2008 18:30

you need to ask?get a grip or go wipe the worktops with the shitty cloth you just cleaned the toilet with

god almighty i hope you don't do any food preparation on those work tops

Kimi · 07/02/2008 18:31

I never use a cloth in the kitchen, I use kitchen towel and in the bin it goes.

Have a brush for the loo, and do not clean the cabinets with the same duster as for the rest of the house.

Gross, I think you need to speak to her agency, how many times might she have done this before.

lullabyloo · 07/02/2008 18:36

reminds me of when I had a Saturday job in a care home for the elderly when I was a teenager.They used the same rubber gloves to wash up with that they used for dealing with the comodes & cleaning the toilets.
ugggggggghhhhhhhhhh

suzi2 · 07/02/2008 18:36

She's probably done it out of sheer laziness. No one can be that daft!

I have been known to give the bathroom sink a quick qipe over with the the kitchen cloth just before the cloth gets boiled. Wouldn't dream of using it on my loo, no matter if it was going in the wash or not!

FAQ · 07/02/2008 18:39

oh god that's disgusting! I have been known to use the cloth that I had already used in the kitchen to then clean the bathroom and finally the toilet.........but it's then thrown away.

NEVER the other way round!

QuintessentialShadow · 07/02/2008 18:40

I have never seen her do anything like this before, till today I thought she was the best cleaner I have had. She knows my routine, she comes at 8, and starts upstairs, and we go on school nursery round at 8.30, and by the time I am back she has finnished downstairs and go upstairs again when I come home, so we are not in eachothers way. Then she will finalize the kitchen as the last thing, after I have made my morning cuppa. Normally she is using all 4 different cloths I am giving her, I have just assumed they were used with their different purposes in mind. (I work from home).

I dont want her to get the sack, and I think she will if I call the agency, she is a very nice girl, always punctual, and very thorough. I just dont know how it will work if I try to "educate" her.

Scottishmummy and Ilovespring, there really is no need. I know how to clean, I just dont know how to handle this situation. There would be no mumsnet if all posters were met with "get a grip" and "do you really need to ask".

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scottishmummy · 07/02/2008 18:42

hokey cokey! but other exclamations of disgust are okay with you then?should i chose from an approved list of exclamations then prior to posting?

sagacious · 07/02/2008 18:43

Can't see its a problem

For her

[legs it]

Crunchie · 07/02/2008 18:44

separate cloths kept in spearate rooms

FAQ · 07/02/2008 18:44

I'm sorry but I would tell the agency - if she gets the sack she gets the sack. ANY cleaner should know that you don't use a cloth that's been used on the toilet in the kitchen (or anywhere else for that matter). It's not just disgusting it's dangerous!

soontobealone · 07/02/2008 18:45

I think this must be quite common. I remember about 3 years ago a programme undercover filming cleaners and the one I saw started with a clean cloth in the bathroom (and toilet) then went to the childs room and did the desk and eventually the same cloth cleaned the kitchen

chiefcookandbottlewasher · 07/02/2008 18:48

i have pink for sink and blue for loo, its the only way i can get dh to remember which one to use!

Kimi · 07/02/2008 18:54

/kimi kneels by the feet of cheifcook in awe,
You get your DH to clean the loo.

scottishmummy · 07/02/2008 18:57

CLOSTRIDIUM DIFFICILE and NOVO-VIRUS are present in faeces and your claener ill contaminate yoyur worktops with it
Most likely transmitted Via the oral-faecal route mmmmmmm nice

CLOSTRIDIUM DIFFICILE
C. difficile presents as an antibiotic-associated diarrhoea and colitis and is a healthcare associated intestinal infection mostly affecting elderly people with other underlying diseases. The infection produces spores which can survive for a long time in the environment eg your worktops

It can cause diarrhoea, from mild disturbance to a very severe illness with ulceration and bleeding from the colon, and can be fatal. It can usually only become this severe when the normal, healthy bacteria has been killed off by antibiotics, without the ?good? bacteria to keep it in check it multiplies and produces toxins (A and B) resulting in diarrhoea. Elderly people who have been treated with broad spectrum antibiotics are most at risk. Those who have already presented with C. difficile have a 40% chance of a relapse. There is more than one strain of the infection, but 027 is of greater concern, customers must always be referred to their GP if C. difficile is suspected, as early diagnosis and treatment is essential ? see the checklist on the next page.

Although a few people can be healthy carriers of C. difficile, it is usually spread after cross infection from one person to another, customer to customer contact, via carers or healthcare staff or via a contaminated environment. When a customer has diarrhoea, a large amount of C. difficile spores will be present in the liquid faeces and this can contaminate the general environment, bed, surfaces, keypads, door handles, toilet areas, sluices, commodes, bed pan washers etc. They can survive for a long time and be a source of hand to mouth infection for others (oral faecal route), if they have been given antibiotics, they too are at risk of C. difficile disease. The disease will be diagnosed by providing a sample of faeces.

Three components to the prevention and control of C. difficile disease:
· Prudent antibiotic prescribing by GP to reduce the use of broad spectrum antibiotics
· Isolation of customers with (C. difficile) diarrhoea and good infection control

Rigorous Handwashing (not relying upon alcohol gel, which does not kill the spores)
Wearing gloves and aprons, especially when dealing with bed pans etc

· NOROVIRUS, OTHER D&V (Diarrhoea and Vomiting) INFECTIONS AND FOOD POISONING OUTBREAKS
Norovirus is an organism that is a common cause of gastroenteritis (stomach bugs). The virus is easily transmitted by contact with an infected person: by consuming contaminated food or water or by contact with contaminated surfaces or objects. Symptoms will begin 12 ? 48 hours after exposure, and will last for 12 ? 60 hours. It starts with the sudden onset of nausea and then projectile vomiting and watery diarrhoea. Some people may have a raised temperature, headaches and aching limbs. Most people make a full recovery within 1 ? 2 days, but the very young or elderly may become dehydrated and require hospital treatment.

The virus can survive in the environment for many days, and there are different strains and immunity is short-lived. Outbreaks occur more frequently in semi closed environments, such as care homes. Those infected should be isolated for 48 hours after symptoms have ceased, this will apply to staff as well as customers. (Food handlers should avoid contact for 2 (48 hours) days after symptoms have ceased).

Disinfection of the contaminated areas are advised, with chlorine based disinfectant and also the use of steam cleaners. Full guidance is available from the Department of Health Infection Control Guidance for Care

It cannot be stressed strongly enough of the importance of Universal Precautions ? rigorous handwashing with liquid soap and running water, followed by thorough drying of the hands, alcohol gel has its place but it is not effective against Norovirus or C. difficile and some other diseases and should never be used instead of thorough handwashing. Wash hands before and after contact, and ensure Personal Protective Equipment is worn and discarded before and after each contact (gloves, aprons etc).

NAB3wishesfor2008 · 07/02/2008 18:59

Mmm, how old is this cleaner? how long has she been cleaning for you? Do you suspect she has always done this or is it the first time?

chiefcookandbottlewasher · 07/02/2008 19:00

ha ha i didn't say how often that actually happens though did i? in spite of my simple foolproof rhyme he still has to be reminded every time!

have to admit i stole the idea from Vernon Kay of all people - i once heard him interviewed and he used to be a cleaner and used the pink/blue rule at work!! what a long way he's come!

chiefcookandbottlewasher · 07/02/2008 19:09

oh dear feel v flippant following scottishmummy's post, although you would think that if Vernon can get it right - bless him - it should be easy for everyone else?

notalone · 07/02/2008 19:10

I knew the cleaner at DS's scool. When she first started she had to spend a day shadowing the old cleaner to pick up the routine. She told me the cleaner used the same cloth for the toilets as she did for the desks. The cleaner had worked there for over 8 years

scottishmummy · 07/02/2008 19:33

as i student i observed a nurse on EMI ward prepare for getting pts washed and dressed by wheeling a trolley with hot water, towels to each bed

they emerged pt sat up washed & dressed -so far so good, eh

until it transpired that it was Same water for each pt. great if you were bed 1, not so good end of the ward.

the water got steadily browner as it progressed down the ward

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