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Anyone know about Jane Seymore - wife of King Henry VIII?

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NAB3wishesfor2008 · 20/01/2008 14:49

She died 12 days after giving birth to a son. I can't believe she was beheaded when she had given the King what he wanted but something clearly wasn't right.

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Greensleeves · 20/01/2008 16:32

Desi, I reckon that was just rose-tinted spectacles - much easier to love someone when they've died unexpectedly, having just given you the only thing you've ever really wanted. If you're a brutish egomaniacal old ogre, that is.

Also contemporary accounts seem to suggest that JS didn't have a personality, which no doubt suited him very well

I have a copy of the Holbein portrait of JS on my living room wall. I'd LOVE one of Anne Boleyn. In fact I'd quite like all six.

Desiderata · 20/01/2008 16:36

Exactly! She was compliant. I guess we'll never know what would have happened had she not died.

Would the National Portrait Gallery be able to help with the Holbein prints?

ArmadilloDaMan · 20/01/2008 16:46

I got a lovely book on HOlbein from our museum, with copies of alot of his pictures inside.

I'd love a print for the wall.

Katherine of Aragorn was very young when she was sent over to England. I find with the Tudors I get too emotional studying them. Especially Mary Tudor, she had such a sad life.

How pathetic is that

Desiderata · 20/01/2008 17:03

Yep! That's pathetic

But I agree. Like most of us, I started off with good old Jean Plaidy and went on from there.

The Tudor period is a great first-step for kids. It's so wonderfully blood-thirsty and crafty.

I find the 17th century more sinister, in some respects.

ArmadilloDaMan · 20/01/2008 17:06

17th is my fav.

I read Jean Plaidy as kid and really enjoyed it. I would say that was the reason I took up history as degree.

The actual reason was I failed English A level adn so couldn't do that.

Glad it happened now though. I love history. Need to apply to do my MA next year.

Not to hot on kings and queens though other than Tudors. I prefer studying the plebs

Agree it is a fantastic period for kids though.

I don't think history sylabus (nat curriculum) does much to encourage people taking up history further though

Desiderata · 20/01/2008 17:09

You're right. Not enough importance is lent to it. It shouldn't be boring at all. Bloody hell, it's everything that ever happened. How can that be dull??

Blandmum · 20/01/2008 17:14

We had a fabbo full length portrait of Henry in our collage Hall. He would glower down over us over meals! LOL

ArmadilloDaMan · 20/01/2008 17:21

I think there is too much importance placed on the 'history of great men and nations'/internationalist, and also for some, marxist/socialist history - both of which imo are often dull as ditchwater.

E.g. learning at A level about dictatorships in the inter war period in EUrope - fascinating subject but was bored to tears by it. It's just learning names, dates, treaties, laws etc etc.

Yes you do need some of that to make sense of the whole, but how about making it about people? People and how they thought differently and how they lived differently etc etc. Make it human, not dry and boring.

Also you tend to learn about a small part of history in alot of depth. And repeat it again and again. In my whole school career I did Tudors (briefly), Romans, World War 1, Cowboys and Indians (American West), THe entire history of the IRish conflicts (in one term - yeah, we really understood and retained all of that complicated, incrediably long period), and the history of medicine. And dictators.

We weren't taught how these bits fitted together (to get an overview). And the subjects were made as dull as possible.

And of course there was the fact that most people who take history have to drop geography by GCSE, so at uni we were all lost without a map - which is great when you are studying the exploration of the world by europeans.

Blandmum · 20/01/2008 17:29

I loved History as a small child. In fact, I wanted to be a History Teacher when I grew up!

And then, for my O levels, I studied Social and Economic History in England and Wales 1760-1911.

Boring as anything! So boring, that watching paint dry was an attractive alternative.

Jethro Bloody Tull and Horse Hoeing Husbandry. Rober Owen in more Guises than was good for a 14 year old.

So I defected to science instead.

UnquietDad · 20/01/2008 17:31

"Anne of Cleves, Henry didn't fancy her, and never got it up, so the wedding was anulled"

Word has it that she stank.

Mind you, I bet they all did in those days.

Although I've heard it said that the lack of sugar in the diet meant their teeth didn't go rotten as quickly as ours would.

Blandmum · 20/01/2008 17:33

Did you know that in Elizebethan times, they had started to eat more sweet stuff and rot their teeth, but it was all still V expensive.

So poor people used to blacken their teeth to look fashionable.

A of C was given the title of the Kings Sister wasn't she?

barbarianoftheuniverse · 20/01/2008 17:39

Does the list not go: divorced, beheaded, died, divorced, beheaded, survived?

WendyWeber · 20/01/2008 17:46

Yes

NAB3wishesfor2008 · 20/01/2008 17:47

Who'd have thought - 64 posts from my simple question.

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hunkermunker · 20/01/2008 17:48

Did I not say just that at 14:52:00?

WendyWeber · 20/01/2008 17:52

Did you, hunker?

hunkermunker · 20/01/2008 18:01
barbarianoftheuniverse · 20/01/2008 18:36

Sorry hunker, so you did. I did not read the question properly but I have had a very hard afternoon with MacBeth coursework and bushels of corn.

edam · 20/01/2008 19:20

I know it's more complicated than 'Anne spent time in France', Greensleeves, but I didn't want to post an essay! Contemporary accounts show disapproval of Anne for her 'French' ways.

Blandmum · 20/01/2008 19:21

'Sorry hunker, so you did. I did not read the question properly but I have had a very hard afternoon with MacBeth coursework and bushels of corn. '

Just another ordinary day on MN.......

edam · 20/01/2008 19:22

And Unquiet, I bet Anne of Cleves was just fine. Henry just didn't want anyone to realise he was impotent so blamed her.

hunkermunker · 20/01/2008 19:25

Those bloody bushels, eh?

RustyBear · 20/01/2008 20:22

Bushels

Still don't know why the barbarian wanted to know....

barbarianoftheuniverse · 20/01/2008 20:31

It was a maths investigation dh was planning to give out. DD Ds and I said impossible.

beansprout · 20/01/2008 20:33

Oooh, fab, a Tudor thread. Can we dabble in the chidhood psychology of Elizabeth I too?