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maggie thatcher. yes or no

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southeastastra · 19/01/2008 21:21

no myself

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policywonk · 19/01/2008 22:07
Lauriefairycake · 19/01/2008 22:08

on the day she left I was in the students union and the dj played REM 'Its the end of the world as we know it' and then he said "it may not be the end of the world but its the end of Thatcher"

We whooped, we cheered, we hollered.........we got pissed on snakebite and black.

I hate her with a passion and I will have a wee dance the day she dies (and then pray for forgiveness for dancing )

She tried out the poll tax on the Scots first cos she thought we'd fucking roll over - we did NOT

She said only failures took the bus - WTF

took us into war to secure an election

created a society that favoured the rich and hunted the poor down

rantrantrantrantrantrant

and breathe...........

bigmouthstrikesagain · 19/01/2008 22:08

Thank you for the political science bit bgd I 'did' a politics degree but still find it hard to discuss Maggie without getting all ranty and emotional - kind of undermines by arguments

bigmouthstrikesagain · 19/01/2008 22:11

Thank you Ranting - It is very nice wine thanks - from Waitrose dontcha know - and as dh doesn't drink - it is mine all mine!!!

Tomorrow it will be cheesy beans time (my patented hangover cure) .. but I digress... yes that Thatcher what a cad etc.

BigGitDad · 19/01/2008 22:11

I did a politics degree too at Newcastle in the 80's. I loved it and I think politics today is sooo booring in comparison, no passion as you rightly stated.

DrNortherner · 19/01/2008 22:14

Oh I HATE this woman with a passion, and Laurie, I'll be right there with you dancing on her grave when she has gone. In fact, I'll throw a street party.

Whooosh · 19/01/2008 22:15

Sooner her than the Balir "Tory in disguise but without balls".
Not sure I would own my own house now if it wasn't for Maggie.....

Tinker · 19/01/2008 22:15

No. Of course.

bigmouthstrikesagain · 19/01/2008 22:17

My degree was in the Nineties (Preston) and I was stunned/ depressed by the lack of passion from the majority of my fellow students, some of them Tory many did not really 'have an opinion' (politics students ffs!!!!!) So my romantic notion of long debates in the bar were mostly stymied, but as we had a fair few N Irish in the class that made for some impassioned debate. And I did get into some great arguments with Socialist Workers - about who was going to be shot come the revolution etc. (that was fun).

Tinker · 19/01/2008 22:17

Elvis Costello was a No as well:

I saw a newspaper picture from the political campaign
A woman was kissing a child, who was obviously in pain
She spills with compassion, as that young childs
Face in her hands she grips
Can you imagine all that greed and avarice
Coming down on that childs lips

Well I hope I dont die too soon
I pray the lord my soul to save
Oh Ill be a good boy, Im trying so hard to behave
Because theres one thing I know, Id like to live
Long enough to savour
Thats when they finally put you in the ground
Ill stand on your grave and tramp the dirt down

When england was the whore of the world
Margeret was her madam
And the future looked as bright and as clear as
The black tarmacadam
Well I hope that she sleeps well at night, isnt
Haunted by every tiny detail
cos when she held that lovely face in her hands
All she thought of was betrayal

And now the cynical ones say that it all ends the same in the long run
Try telling that to the desperate father who just squeezed the life from his only son
And how its only voices in your head and dreams you never dreamt
Try telling him the subtle difference between justice and contempt
Try telling me she isnt angry with this pitiful discontent
When they flaunt it in your face as you line up for punishment
And then expect you to say thank you straighten up, look proud and pleased
Because youve only got the symptoms, you havent got the whole disease
Just like a schoolboy, whose heads like a tin-can
Filled up with dreams then poured down the drain
Try telling that to the boys on both sides, being blown to bits or beaten and maimed
Who takes all the glory and none of the shame

Well I hope you live long now, I pray the lord your soul to keep
I think Ill be going before we fold our arms and start to weep
I never thought for a moment that human life could be so cheap
cos when they finally put you in the ground
Theyll stand there laughing and tramp the dirt down

Heated · 19/01/2008 22:20

From political review, re perspective of the Labour Party at that time.

1983 The Conservative's key issues were employment, economic growth and defence. Labour's Manifesto pledged to leave the EEC, abolish the House of Lords, abandon Britain's nuclear deterrent by cancelling Trident and removing Cruise - a heady mix of far left thinking, dubbed by Gerald Kaufman "the longest suicide note in history", "although, at barely thirty-seven pages, it only seemed interminable" noted Roy Hattersley. Over the campaign Labour were repeatedly forced to moderate their views, especially on defence.

princessosyth · 19/01/2008 22:24

Lauriefairycake, I agree with every single word you have said but sadly I think you could just as easily be describing Tony Blair. They are all the same.

Heated · 19/01/2008 22:24

I also read an account explaining her 3 election victories as:
1st fear of the unions
2nd fear re fawkland's war
3rd greed

Whooosh · 19/01/2008 22:25

And what does Elvis Coslelloe Prove????

My circumstances are very different these days but I still beleive she was a good thing for the UK-at least we were stabbed in the chest.....rather than the back as we have been by Blair/Brown!

PontipineFinderGeneral · 19/01/2008 22:25

I'm just glad this isn't a dadsnet thread. And if it ever is ... NO NO NO.

Lauriefairycake · 19/01/2008 22:30

I don't think they are all the same, indeed 2 of my friends are MP's

They just happen not to be evil .......

elkiedee · 19/01/2008 22:30

I hated her.

And as for owning your own house Whoosh, this may have got a few people on to the housing ladder but Tory policies generally moved the bottom of the housing ladder a lot further out of most people's reach, as well as making a proper rented home unaffordable. Selling off council housses, stopping councils spending money needed on maintaining the homes they still had in good condition or building more, making lots of people see houses as investments not homes, and starting the spiral of insane house price inflation.

Sadly Labour hasn't reversed most of the worst Tory policies and in fact is now bringing in things that the Tories would never have got away with. I don't like New Lsbour much and haven't voted for my own Labour MP, it's one of the safer seats going though the neighbouring constituency went Lib Dem and there's a serious east west divide on the Council. I protest voted but never Tory, never Lib Dem, and I'd probably vote for the most awful Labour candidate if I felt it would make a difference to the national government. I've only once voted in a constituency which has changed colour - Tory for 20 years or so, Labour with a 4,000 majority in 1997, Lib Dem in 2005.

Heated · 19/01/2008 22:32

From someone who can remember, find it interesting that in the 1980s the Labour party were virtually unelectable and so too were the Tories during Blair's reign.

LynetteScavo · 19/01/2008 23:06

Elvis Costello is highly under rated.

suzycreamcheese · 19/01/2008 23:27

NO!
myriad of reasons i'll be dancing on her grave

milk, privatisations, poll tax, falklands, no such thing as society/ i'm all right jack mentality, council house sell offs, yts, miners strike, and creating situation that allowed bliar to be seen as an alternative..wtf

night night

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