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misdee · 31/10/2004 17:26

have just had abunch of kids trick or treating on my doorstep. i have no idea who they are, no aduts about. what is going on??

oldest was about 10.

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anorak · 01/11/2004 08:32

I was astonished. We only had one group of callers at about 6pm. I hate the whole business so I was dreading it. Last year we had probably ten groups come round.

Now we have a huge bowl of mini mars bars left over. What am I going to do?

tex111 · 01/11/2004 08:42

Misdee, that sounds terrible! Definitely vandalism and shouldn't be tolerated any time of year.

We had a brilliant Halloween. Had a little party for DS and his friends (all about 2) and dressed them in silly costumes that had all the adults cracking up (I'm sure we'll pay for that when they're older!). I went crazy with Halloween themed food, got in a bunch of sweets for the trick or treaters and it was all very civilised. Just little kids with their parents. I had so many sweets I just asked them each to take a handful but they were very polite and each just took one or two.

Then we took our little ones out but just went to houses with a pumpkin out which was about half a dozen. Really lovely evening and lots of fun.

SoupDragon · 01/11/2004 11:29

Tex, the few T&Ts we had only took a couple each despite us urging them to take handfulls of sweets - we just wanted to get rid of all the haribo type sweets DSs get in party bags over the year.

Marina · 01/11/2004 11:34

Misdee, really sorry to hear about your egging. Quite agree with everyone else who failed to see the funny side of this. Some people have a funny sense of "humour".

MissusWoman · 01/11/2004 11:56

T & T should be illegal imo

Had a few ringing my doorbell last night, worst thing that happened was crazy string sprayed on window, but we were sufficiently worried to tape up the letterbox in case of louts with fireworks or dog poo.

Bah humbug it's a load of american rubbish

KateandtheGirls · 01/11/2004 12:04

But missuswoman, in America they do it right, There's no actual tricks. The kids all look adoarable in their costumes and say thank you. If no-one's home they leave the house alone.

We had a neighborhood block party. The kids all had a parade in their costumes, then we all had pizza (to get some real food in their tummies before the chocolate), then the kids went T or Ting. Then we all gathered again and the kids played (and ate some candy) while the grown ups had some beers.

The kids loved it, the grown ups enjoyed it.

Please don't get the idea that the horrific vandalism that you guys get on Halloween is anything like Halloween is in the US.

MissusWoman · 01/11/2004 12:14

I wonder why it's such a nightmare over here then. Honestly KATG, it's dreadful!

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tex111 · 01/11/2004 12:32

Oh Kate, you're making me homesick! You're absolutely right though. I never heard of vandalism connected to Halloween until I came to England (aside from the ocassional pumpkin getting knicked off the porch). Maybe it happens here because it's a relatively new thing so the parents don't know what it's all about, can't explain it to the kids and the kids just get their own ideas about tricks and treats?? I have to say we've been lucky enough to never experienced vandalism and I don't have any friends who have so maybe it just happens in certain areas.

Soupdragon, I know what you mean. Our sweeties this year were left over from DS's birthday party. I just want them out of the house! I didn't even open the bag of mini Kit Kats I bought in case we ran out of the birthday stuff. Now the chocs are calling me from the cupboard and I'm being weighed at Weight Watchers tomorrow! Eek.

Thomcat · 01/11/2004 12:46

Well I had the most adorable kids knowck on my dorr.
D opened it and as we were having a dinner party were totally unprepared; we've NEVER had trick or treaters before.

D said, 'oh I don't think we have anything' and they said'oh don't worry'. I came flying down the stairs and said 'no, no let me just see' what do you want?'!!! Went off to the kitchen and heard one say 'what a lovely house'!

Found some white choc buttons gave them a mini packet each, tried to give them 1 of soemthing else each and they sadi 'no, that's okay thanks we've got enough'! I said 'but they are spioder man chocolates and they still said no, that's ok!!!!!!!

I told them to tell their parents that i thought they were very polite, nice children!

Then they gave me a home made 'certificate' as they called it to say Thank you, happy Halloween, spook you soon.

How lovely!

slug · 01/11/2004 13:14

We had a fabulous time. The sluglet was soooo excited to be out after dark being a 'booky bubby' (spooky bubby). There are quite a lot of young children around our way and it's a really lovely way to meet your neighbours. Bless her, my little one was more interested in seeing the other children and being scary (in a just turned 3 year old way) than the sweets. In fact she seemed quite taken aback that someone would give her sweeties for being scary.

We live in a converted house, so take it in shifts to open the door to the trick or treaters. I work on the theory that as we are the only ones with children, it's our responsibility to do the door opening, though the others in the flats contribute to the sweet bowl. I hand out tangerines to anyone who looks over the age where they should be out playing these games. All in all it was all over in about 45 minutes.

yurtgirl · 01/11/2004 14:13

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hmb · 01/11/2004 16:26

It is like anything for the majority it is a chance for some light hearted fun, but a small number of kids will take the chance to be antisocial. It is just the same with bonfire night and carol singers so I think that it a bit unfair to blame the americans!

Some kids are antisocial and the people we should blame should be their parents.

All of the kids who called on us were pleasent, polite and said please and than you. When we took in the pumpkin we were left in peace. We had a lovely time and so did our kids. What a shame some kids act so badly and spoil the fun for everyone else

nutcracker · 01/11/2004 19:19

Two kids a boy and a girl about 13/14 yrs old, have just knocked our door. I answered and he said "trick or treat".

I said "you must be joking, you haven't even got masksd or anything on"

so he stuck his fingers up at me and the girl laughed and they ran off

nikkim · 02/11/2004 10:05

Our trick or treaters were all lovely. mostly little children with their parents. I took my dd (3) to a few houses that we know on our street after her party. However he thought it was a bit rude to ask for sweets so when people opened the doors she said "Have a treat" and gave away her sweets!!

SoupDragon · 02/11/2004 10:14

Don't you think that the problem is because it's an imported tradition? The UK children have seen T&Ting on TV and so we don't actually have any of the "rules" that go with it. The assumption gained from T&Ting on TV is that you get given sweets or you play a trick - it isn't ever made clear that in the US tricks aren't generally played or that you only knock on doors with a pumpkin or visible halloween decorations.

Maybe the way to solve it is to "educate" children & parents on how it's supposed to work and make up some rules. This won't stop children who are naturally little thugs from being a nightmare but it may help alleviate the problem.

T&Ting is not going to go away, it's here to stay now.

Frenchgirl · 02/11/2004 10:20

got some trick or treaters last night!!!! told them they were too late...

nikkim · 02/11/2004 10:44

We must be trick or treat educated in sunny blackpool, maybe it is because we are becoming the new las vegas so we are a little mini america.

I asked mums accompanying trick or treaters how successful they had been and they all said that they only went to houses which had pumpkins or halloween decorations on display.

I think our halloween here was lovley as real sense of festive community spirit.

mothernature · 02/11/2004 10:50

Do you know where halloween is originally from ? America? No......

Halloween seems to have originated 2000 years ago in the Celtic culture. The Celts celebrated their new year on November 1. This day marked the end of summer and the harvest and the beginning of a cold, dark winter which they usually associated with death. Not being knowledgeable in science and the rotation of the earth and seasons, they believed that the reason for the days getting shorter and the nights getting longer was that the sun was losing its power. They believed that on the night of October 31, the ghosts of the dead came back to cause these things to happen. So they celebrated with a festival where they built big bonfires, offered sacrifices to the otherworldly spirits and dressed in costumes to frighten these spirits away and also to avoid being recognized by spirits because they feared leaving their homes. They thought the spirits would mistake them for fellow spirits and leave them alone.

The Romans also celebrated a day in late October to honor the dead and a holiday honoring Pomona, the goddess of fruit and trees of which the symbol is an apple. When Romans invaded and conquered the Celtic lands, the festivals of both cultures were combined. The combination of the two celebrations is believed to explain the tradition of ?bobbing? for apples, which is still done on Halloween today.

When Christianity began to spread into the Celtic lands around the 800?s, Pope Boniface IV is credited with trying to replace the Celtic festival of the dead with a church-sanctioned holiday?the way many clergymen today try to replace traditional Halloween festivities with Church Fall Festivals?by designating the November 1 (Celtic New Year) as All Saints' (Hallows) Day, a time to honor saints and martyrs. Later, the church would make November 2 All Souls? Day, a day to honor the dead, just as their Celtic ancestors had done. Many Celts still celebrated old customs on the night before, October 31. This came to be known as All Hallows Eve. The three celebrations of All Hallows Eve, All Saints, and All Souls eventually became known as Hallowmas.

The tradition of trick-or-treating dates back to the early All Soul?s Day in England, during which poor citizens would beg for food and families would give them pastries called ?soul cakes? in return for their promise to pray for the family?s dead relatives. The distribution of soul cakes was encouraged by the church as a way to replace the ancient practice of leaving food and wine for roaming spirits

As European immigrants came to America, they brought their traditions with them and as communities became more and more blended, so did the festivities of all holidays. In the late 19th century, Halloween began to become more of a community and neighborly celebration. This attitude toward the holiday describes the way it is perceived today as well. Many parents fear for their children?s safety and avoid practices such as traditional trick-or-treating. Many churches condemn the celebration and offer other festivities as alternatives to celebrating what they consider a dark holiday. Halloween is more about parties and fellowship than satanic rituals or ghosts. Most people who celebrate Halloween these days do not even think about ?darkness?. Most are thinking of candy and fun.

Whatever your beliefs, fall can be a time of reflecting on the year and preparing for the winter season?s joys and uncertainties. There are many beautiful things about this season to celebrate: the changing of the leaves, the shorter days and longer nights, the cooler weather. Whether you celebrate traditional Halloween or prefer the term ?Fall Festival?, future historians will be reading how today?s attitudes and customs kept the traditional Halloween evolving!

nikkim · 02/11/2004 14:16

sorry Miss!!!

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