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plantlife · 06/09/2019 22:05

A while ago DP was shouting very loudly in an argument. I was begging him to stop shouting, it was so loud all the neighbours could hear, calling me a cunt and useless and other horrible things.

He then held me down, cupped his hands to my ear, put his mouth on it and shouted at top volume into it. This was over a year ago. He's been making an effort with me but ever since then I've had on off pain (mild) and feel more sensitive to noise. It could be psychological but he gets angry if I ask him to speak less loudly. I can't cope with maybe even normal speaking volume (but actually he speaks quite loudly). I know it's a pain but he knows why I feel sensitive. I don't know if I'm being unfair on him, he feels he can't speak at a suitable volume for me. I don't complain, I just sometimes ask if he wouldn't mind lowering the volume, I tell him know it's annoying but hope he understands.

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cakeandchampagne · 15/09/2019 12:49

@plantlife Do you understand that him interfering with your access to food, clothing, & medical care is abuse? Do you understand that if you can’t freely come & go (either physically or because of threats), that is abuse?

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plantlife · 15/09/2019 19:29

I've been trying to think clearly. I still feel so much that I care so much about him, and I do need him. Then I feel fear about when he's home. I guess that's not normal or ok so I think I need to leave. I don't think he's an abuser, I think he lost his temper but didn't want to hurt me really. I think he's insecure and needs me to need him, he's scared of being hurt so needs the control. I know deep down it's hurting me living like this. I want to leave with as little damage as possible to me or him. The doctor stuff had taken away all my strength, trust, stopped my leaving plans, made me feel so alone. I don't know if I can deal with both issues. It's so much. I needed their support. As they're against me, I really do need him.

I do wonder if he's spoken to the GPs. He persuaded the police it was me, but actually I think it's just the GP has messed up and is throwing me under the bridge to cover up.

I'm so sorry. I feel stuck. I can't try to leave because I've got to find a new GP before my ESA sick note runs out. I can't face trying because of the accusations about me. I don't know whether to clear my name on my medical records or try to leave DP? They've stopped my medication, saying I have to see consultant before anymore repeats. But they haven't referred me! I saw the consultant privately but told them i couldn't afford it now. Especially not now I'm buying it privately to keep me going.

Sorry. I'm going to try to move forward tomorrow.

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plantlife · 15/09/2019 19:34

cakeandchampagne, the problem is he's no longer doing that. Maybe because he doesn't need to, the doctor's doing the job for him, maybe because he's genuine. Whatever reason, I really do need him, whether he's changed or not, when they're against me. I'd have to have chosen between food and medication if it wasn't for him.

I'll go away now and try to wake up tomorrow with a fresh mindset and try to work out what to do. I know I can't keep going round in circles. It's true, I am terrified of leaving, probably more than even his worse violence, but I genuinely was planning to go, I got some confidence back, but the doctor stuff has knocked it out of me.

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cakeandchampagne · 15/09/2019 20:03

I hope things get sorted soon. You are bright & pleasant, despite all the difficulties. Any pup would be lucky to live under your roof. Flowers

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Twillow · 15/09/2019 21:00

You don't have to leave. But you are starting to think about what is best for you and that is a good thing. Keep exploring abuse, think hard about your relationship. Can you keep a secret diary? There are online ones that you can use a password with.
Whatever you do, you need to get on top of your own life or it will drain away. This is going to take lots of baby steps. Can I ask is it a physical issue that stops you going out or something like agrophobia? (It worries me that you could be left without food - not sure I understand why that is.) Either way, there will be support groups. You should not rely on your partner to be your carer if you have fear of him. Whatever progress you make should either improve your relationship or give you the strength to leave if you want that at a future point, so it's a win-win to start putting yourself first.

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plantlife · 15/09/2019 23:41

I don't feel bright but thank you so much. I love dogs.

I think I know in my heart I have to leave. He's away and I feel calm and like a cloud's lifted. I'm not on edge. I feel so awful and guilty for saying this and now want to hug him. I think I have to just keep trying to get myself sorted. I think I was taking baby steps, I'd started getting out and about. Then the doctor stuff happened. I feel the same sick stress feeling I get about him. It's physical why I'm stuck in, had relapse because ran out of medication. I think it's maybe also become psychological. I feel so ashamed walking past neighbours. They all hear.

I'm sorry for posting so much. I'm feeling a bit better now after writing it all out. I'll start a diary (not here, just for myself), it's a good idea.

Thank you so much to everyone who's been so supportive and kind. It has really helped.

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WellThisIsShit · 17/09/2019 17:01

Because of the abuse, you become very vulnerable to other people and their bad behaviour can become more abuse as well.

It’s like you become a magnet for other people’s bad behaviour.

Which is horribly unfair. Because right now, you need gentleness, patience and support.
Not more unkindness and mindfuckery... but it’s one of life’s terrible ironies that when you are deep in an abusive relationship, this is what you get. More abuse.

I can’t really explain it, but I’ve experienced it. And I’ve seen it on here, again and again.

Abuse truly does ruin your lives.

Having said I can’t explain it (& I cant, not fully, and I won’t attempt to, don’t worry!)... I have noticed that there is a pattern that perhaps we apply to get by with our abusive partners, that doesn’t work well when we do the same in other situations.

I’m thinking of abusers push our boundaries, so we don’t have strong fences up in the correct places to protect ourselves, and our ‘fences’ don’t have alarms on them to let us know when someone is leaning on them and pushing through... to have nice strong healthy boundaries means that the moment someone even leans a little bit on that fence huge loud klaxons go off!

And the other thing is, if you are used to someone getting their way and either manipulating you or just straight up scaring you into rolling over and letting them do whatever they want... well, you get conditioned to ‘put up and shut up’.

Now you might think you complain and whine and argue a lot, and he has to ‘put up with you’, but I don’t actually believe that’s really what you are like, or indeed, that’s what’s happening. It’s another way to control you. Trust me, I’ve been there!

I think you’re so beaten down by the abuse that you don’t know how to stand up for yourself anymore.

And that lays you open for other people to treat you badly.

And when they do, you don’t react as quickly or as firmly as other people might do, because of the way you are used to having to behave to appease your partner.

And so before you know it, you’re neck deep in a really tricky situation and not quite sure what the heck just happened! And then you are scrabbling trying to ‘prove yourself innocent’ and make things ok, because it’s all gone so horribly and unfairly wrong.

And because you’ve learnt to keep on going and not to let go, in your relationship, you also kind of lose the sense of when to keep at it / walk away in the rest of your life.

It’s very hard to walk away with your head held high when you’re terrified of the unknown and also think you don’t deserve any better... and that goes for letting go of your GP or your partner!

I’ve lived this and it’s absolutely horrible. I’m so sorry for you, I really am. Lots of fellow feeling Flowers


Take strength from this:
Life Can Get Better... you’re life is So Hard right now, think of the huge burdens you are having to drag around with you every second of every day, no wonder you are overwhelmed, anxious and scared!

And it is scary to think about changes, as you’re weighed down and exhausted by carrying all this stuff... but the great thing is that when you do take one or two important steps forwards, and make those one or two changes, so many of those burdens will go. And all that energy you spend 24/7 carrying these around with you... well that energy will be for you again. And imagine the great things you can do if you get that energy back again?!

It will be a weight off your whole body. And things that feel really hard now will feel easier when you aren’t fighting against the fear and torment of your life now.

But only if you take a step or two to change.

You have to do the scary bit first, unfortunately. But when you’ve started it gets easier and easier. Flowers

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plantlife · 18/09/2019 12:35

I don't know how to thank you (and everyone else who's been so kind). I felt like crying reading your post. Sort of happy and sad tears. It felt like you know me or are me. That doesn't make sense, sorry. I'm so so sorry you've been through it. Really I am. You must be strong for getting away. I hope I can be too.

Thank you for being so kind. I still haven't been outdoors. It will be two months next week. I feel a bit like I'm only half alive, locked away here. I need to sort out my health and medication before he's back. I think he prefers me being dependant on him. It will be more difficult when he's back.

I'm so scared to act now. I don't know if this makes sense but I feel like I've been running a marathon and I'm exhausted, or I've been banging on loads of doors knocking but no-one answered.

I need to speak to the new doctor but I'm too scared. Scared they won't believe me. Not about him but about my need for medication. Old place completely disregarded everything I said about anything.

I don't want to go to hospital walkin. There's a thread on MN about inappropriate use of emergency hospital. It's not an emergency really. I should really wait for a normal consultant appointment but without the medication I'm so stuck. It's not going to kill me but I can't get out easily. I suppose after so long I'm also scared of going outside.

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plantlife · 18/09/2019 12:50

Sorry for another going round in circles post. I don't want to make everyone angry.

WellThisIsShit, you seem to understand so much. I think is it me actually being and person, or am I cursed.I think I'm weak and need to stop being self-pitying and take action. I will keep trying.

I just suppose I felt I needed to have it out there publically somewhere because I feel so cut off from the world at the moment. I also called the walkin and they said I should come in if I need medication but I feel worried it's not an emergency. I'll just try to explain a little bit about my situation but not too.much.

I think I'm scared of doctors now. They've really made me feel the same fear and stress dp has. The way everything I said was ignored or not believed. I know that sounds stupid. I'm scared even if the hospital believe me, they won't care or help. A few years ago things got worse with my condition (actually at the same time as he'd been violent). The hospital shrugged, told me just take painkiller and wait 4 months for appointment to get medication to help. They refused to prescribe it that day. I saw a private doctor after that but can't affoyto now. I'm going to a different hospital with better reviews but so nervous. I'll be spending most of my money getting there so if they turn me aesy., I'm scared.

Sorry. I will pull.myself together. Think I just needed to express my fears.

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cakeandchampagne · 18/09/2019 13:30

It would be best to tell a new doctor everything.
Flowers

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plantlife · 18/09/2019 13:56

I think you're right. I'm just so scared of starting off on the wrong foot. I'm scared I'll go over the ten minute slot. That's something else I was told off for in the warning letter. I had two extra long consultations. Both were after GP abruptly stopped medication with no discussion or even telling me on advance. I was scared and upset both times.

Also scared as I read advice it's like when you leave a bad job. You don't badmouth the old place, instead you tell new place you're leaving because the new employer is so wonderful. Does that make sense

Am I making excuses? I'm sorry, I guess it looks like I'm putting up barriers. I'm just so scared of doctors now. I absolutely trusted the old one, opened up, exposef myself. I was so honest and it ended up making me more vulnerable. I think I need a sedative to speak to one!

Thank you. Your support means so much. I hope I get a nice GP. There's loads at the new place so I could always try again if it goes wrong. Thsnk you again.

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Elieza · 18/09/2019 19:41

OP you really do have to speak to the doctor about everything. You shouldn’t be paying privately for medication because the doctor won’t give you it. The reason may be because it’s bad for you. You really do need to get to the GP. You can ask for a double appointment when you book at my surgery. And if you can’t get an appointment, in your case I would defo speak to women’s aid or something. You deserve a fresh start. Your head must be mince just now because if everything that’s going on, but I think you do need help to get you feeling better and if this involves an out of hours doctor so be it, don’t feel guilty as you sound like you are in a bad way. Be seen before he returns please. That’s very important. He may not let you out to be seen after he returns. Flowers

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Wolfiefan · 18/09/2019 19:53

If they stop medication it’s generally because of fear of side effects or because it’s not needed it wasn’t effective. Did they give you a reason? Do you have an actual diagnosis?

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plantlife · 18/09/2019 21:34

Sorry for sounding so hopeless. Period due, PMT making it worse. I will see the doctor. That's just for sick note. Its medication that has to be prescribed initially by a hospital, a lot of GPs know nothing about it. Just so scared about it all but I will do it. I just have to get in a cab, it's not that hard I'm telling myself.

I fell apart because I was finally doing so well after a very bad time, with the health (and he is being nice), and it's so upsetting to spend the time he's away on sorting this instead of my planned trial run of leaving. I suppose it's already identifiable to anyone involved, old GP, etc, but I don't feel able to say what the condition is. I'm sorry.

GP always refused to believe its real. Said it was anxiety, then after i had private tests and diagnosis, still tried to dismiss it. Last time I saw the consultant, GP tried to ignore consultant report, maybe didn't read it.

GP didn't tell me they were stopping it. I was told in the warning letter sent by practice manager after I made my complaint. They say they won't give anymore until I see consultant but didnt refer me. I'll get myself together, it helped writing my fears. Thank you for being so kind.

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Wolfiefan · 18/09/2019 21:55

I wasn’t asking you to name the condition. I’m sorry if you thought I was. Just sometimes people don’t have one and it’s a nightmare trying to get any treatment or way forward.
Getting in that cab may be hard but it can’t be worse than going on like this can it? Imagine getting what you need from a consultant who actually understands the condition and will support you with the GP.

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cakeandchampagne · 18/09/2019 22:51

You aren’t “hopeless”!
And a good GP knows the limit of his/her expertise, and when another doctor is needed.

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plantlife · 19/09/2019 22:15

Thank you both for being so so kind. PMT has gone now. I couldn't sort the medical stuff whilst I was in a state. I've one chance. Doctor has to believe me or they won't do the test (that shows it's real, how bad it is). Can't afford cab more than once.

I planned to try to go to the hospital tomorrow but just seen about the climate strike. I'll be in pain and unable to use public transport but I'm scared the cab will get caught up in disruption. It will be the first time I've been outside in nearly two months. He's away one more week so I suppose waiting until Monday isn't too bad.

Maybe I can try the new GP tomorrow for the sick note but I'm scared they won't believe me about my condition. Until I try, there's hope but if they don't listen, the hope's gone. They haven't got my notes yet. It's a telephone appointment but I suppose I could email the notes. The old GP disregarded everything I said and didn't read notes. I'm scared new one will be the same. Trying not to panic. It's hard but I've written my fears down now and that helps.

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Wolfiefan · 19/09/2019 22:21

It’s hard to tell if you have a diagnosis or have convinced yourself that you have a particular problem and want them to prove it.
You need to go in simply armed with the symptoms. Be clear and work with the GP to try and find a solution. It may not be the test you think you need. I had a biopsy done. For eczema. I was Shock . But it was useful. I also needed blood tests. Didn’t expect that either! Finally I have it under control.

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SunnySummerDays · 19/09/2019 22:22

Is there a local refuge near you? Google ‘women’s refuge near me’
They will have a volunteer on usually all day for advice and support. The one near me have a lot of free advice drop in sessions, solicitors often give free time. They also hold coffee mornings... drop in and chat?

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plantlife · 19/09/2019 22:41

I'm sorry. I'm really rambling and overthinking. I have a diagnosis. Until then, GP dismissed it as anxiety. Once diagnosed, still tried to dismiss as anxiety. Refused to believe me, didn't read consultant reports.

I need new GP and hospital to believe I have it or I won't get prescription. But you've just made me realise the solution. I take the consultant reports with me! Sorry, it's just felt so overwhelming. Just the timing really, having to sort this instead of the stuff with him (although he is being nice mostly now).

Local refuge/da charity didn't want to help. They said it happened in the past so I'm not at risk. They don't do coffee mornings. They're probably right but if it gets bad again, I'll try a different da organisation. I'll go away and stop panicking.

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Wolfiefan · 19/09/2019 23:05

Great idea to take the consultant reports. Hoping you can get the medical stuff sorted and then find a way to a better life. (A partner should be more than just “nice mostly”.)

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plantlife · 20/09/2019 13:15

I realised last night. It's not impossible to sort the medical stuff. But it's taken away my best (or only) chance to leave him. Reading back my posts, I've spent all my time and mental energy on it. It's been over a decade with him, more than five years since I had work and friends. I don't remember what it's like to be normal. It sounds greedy, I should be grateful of getting away, but I need to know I could leave without him knowing. So if I really couldn't cope or the support was as bad as it is where I am now, I could go back. I think I wouldn't go back but I needed the psychological safety net.

The bully receptionist has got what she wanted. I had to beg a bully to help me (just as I have to rely on dp) letting her know my vulnerabilities. She's done wrong, may get into trouble if I survive and pursue complaint, but the damage us done.

I am sorry for posting so much. I genuinely don't need anyone to read or reply. I just needed to get it out to the outside world. I feel in away it's good venting here but it's safer just 30 days so it's gone by the time he's back.

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Wolfiefan · 20/09/2019 14:39

We are here and we are reading. You would cope without him. Better to plan and prepare than leave thinking it might not work and and you might go back. You can be better. You can rebuild your life and have friends and a life away from him.

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cakeandchampagne · 20/09/2019 14:58

Like Wolfie said, “You can rebuild your life....”.

You can work/study again. You can shop for food- you could even start your list right now. Smile You can have pizza for breakfast. You can take a walk outside- you can go exploring. You can wear clothes you like- and be ready for any weather. You can create a safe & peaceful home- and invite your friends to visit.

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GrumpiestCat · 20/09/2019 15:06

Start keeping a log of what he does. Also record him when he's shouting and threatening. If you're worried about him finding things create a random gmail and email the audio files and your notes to it then log completely out.

Build up a picture you can show to other people. You poor thing. He's given you permanent hearing loss. That's absolutely unforgivable.

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