fathers day gift ideas

[threeangels]

Hi all. I was hopeing that some of you might be able to suggest some homemade gifts my kids ages 12,9 and 19mos can make for fathers day this year. We are kind of limited on funds this year so i thought I would do the homemade idea instead. Im not really too creative with ideas. Thanks.

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Sorry Bloss, didn't notice your new thread until I'd already posted my message. Brain is a bit foggy first thing in the morning.

Pupuce

She isn't pregnant again yet, but she wants to be by the end of September and she was sick the whole time with dd so anything to make her feel better will be great.

She tried the Ginger thing and now can't stand the sight or smell of ginger.

Tinker if you dont beleive in God then you dont beleive in God. You cant make yourself beleive because you dont want to go to hell. God knows everyones true heart. Why not go to a good bible beleiving church and listen to some messages and maybe it would help.

Also beleiving in god does not take you to heaven. Most people do beleive in god and not all will see heaven according to the bible. Only those who have a personal relationship with Christ will. Many who did not are in hell now. I only take my beleifs from the bible. The majority of the world will be in hell some day. That is if they dont change their hearts towards Christ. Have you been reading the other thread about bibles and religions?

Must stick up for the JW's here. Jodee - I am a Catholic but far from discouraging the JW's, I am happy to listen to another's viewpoint, the world would be boring if we thought we were right all the time.

The JW's who come to see me are very nice people indeed. I have struck up a friendship with one of them, she is about my age, no kids but adores mine so of course I took to liking her! We have discussed what would happen if I failed to convert and she said that would be a shame but we would still be friends. Most of her family are still Catholics and she certainly does not ostracise herself from them. As far as the blood donations go, they do not accept any blood at all, not just non-JW's as somewhere in the Bible (I can't remember where) it does say something about not consuming another's blood. I personally think it means as in drinking human blood as the pagans used to do and the Satanists, but they have taken the literal meaning. However most JW's would probably be a bit lax about that if push came to shove.

And if we thought about it I'm sure most people could name and shame many a religion based on people they have known and met, but a religion cannot be judged on a few people. I've met bad JW's too who have condemned me as soon as I have mentioned the word 'Catholic', in fact most people have a chip on their shoulder about the Catholics anyway, but that's another story, however I would never judge the JW's based on my limited experience of them. It takes a lot of guts to knock on people's doors spreading the Good News to them, and isn't that what Christians should be doing anyway? Ok, they might get a bit over-zealous at times, but just think how many of them get the door shut in their faces, come across abuse and so on, yet they don't give up and in my opinion have done more good than bad. The message of Christianity applies to all, it is about goodness, love and kindness, and if they get that message across to people, surely it can only be good?

And on the Father's Day front, dh was pleased with the card dd presented to him, but I do get the feeling it will end up in the bin in a few days time!

Threeangels, I think you're being a bit over-zealous with your hell and damnation speel, I just want to tell others who are reading this thread that not all Christians believe that the majority of the world will end up in Hell if they don't follow Christ. God will reveal himself before the end, and there will be plenty of time to repent for whatever you feel you need to repent for. God is just and merciful, he doesn't just throw people into hell for having doubts. This kind of attitude is more likely to turn people away rather than encourage them to follow Christ. Read The Sermon on the Mount in the New Testament, there lies common sense and if you follow Christ's teachings in there you won't go far wrong and you will find Christ. No-one who does good is far from Christ, and God sees all good deeds and rewards them. I do believe that some people are Christians without even knowing it!

Rhubarb, doing good dees does not make you a christian that is a saved christian. The bible says that. As far as having time to repent. Thats not something you just do at the last minute. Because you dont want to go to hell. You dont seem to know what being a christian is all about. If your a christian you should be saved by Gods grace if your not saved there is no heaven. This is from God not me. How can you be a saved Christian and not even know it. Being saved is something you decide consciously. When God reveals himself in the end all the saved ones wont even be left on this earth. We will already be in heaven with the Lord. You dont have time to repent once the lord makes his appearence. Havent you read in the bible all Gods saved children will be gone in a twinkling of an eye. How can a unsaved person have time to repent. There the ones left behind to face gods wrath. God gives us a chance to come to him before he returns not after. Yes God gives rewards but to the ones already in heaven (saved people). The rest who doubted thier salvation or never even excepted Christ will deal with other consequences. Yes, God is merciful that is why his son died on the cross for us so we might except him in our heart (truely) and not be condemned to hell. That is how merciful he is. God loves all equal including murderers rapists etc and he gives us a choice to do what we want with his offer of eternal life through him.

Rhubarb please disregard all ive said at the top of this thread. This was before i apologized on the other thread. I wish I could delete all that Ive said. I guess I cant.

Hi Rhubarb, I've posted a reply to you on the other thread ...

Threeangels, you keep apologising for postings, minutes after you have posted them. Why? You do seem to be very emotionally charged about this subject.

Of course one cannot repent at the last minute, but I was referring to those who have done good all their lives but have not believed in God. It also says in Revelations that God will give all the inhabitants of the earth a sign before he comes on Judgement Day and the sign will be so bright and powerful that no-one will be able to deny God's existence any longer. Then if people still want to turn away they can do, but for those people who previously did not believe, they can still be saved. What did Jesus say to the criminal who was crucified with him? Did he say, "Well it's a bit late to be sorry for your sins now"? No, he told him that he would save a place for him in Heaven.

Jesus also told us not to judge our brothers without first seeing our own failings, perhaps you should follow this rule more closely. Your postings would be better if they were not personally directed. However apologies are not necessary, I take offence at nothing! Look forward to your postings in the other threads.

Oh Simon, you puritan! The whole point of Xmas IS eating too much and drinking (I know you hate it) and trees and fires etc. It's not Christian at all, any of it, it's thoroughly pagan from start to finish - yule logs, robins, everything. There are no Christian roots to all this stuff, it's the winter solstice celebration with a different name, so you could celebrate a perfectly normal Christmas without feeling you are taking part in a religious celebration, because you're not! Mind you, for me Christmas is quite nice in the run up and I am rather fond of mulled wine, but just like you, I am a miserable curmudgeon who hates spending money on presents I'm sure nobody really wants, and hates them wasting their money on presents for me to clutter my house (though I obviously don't describe them like that to my friends and family!). I remember Alvin Hall, that man who gives money advice to people on TV, talking to a woman who was bankrupting her poor husband with Xmas presents. She insisted that it was vital to keep spending as it meant so much to everyone and was something profound as she put so much thought into every gift. He then interviewed all the recipients and NOT ONE could even remember what she'd bought them. That, I thought, was a real wake up call. Mind you, you can take the curmudgeon thing too far. I made & bought my dh Fathers Day cards from his daughter and our son and helped her make him breakfast in bed etc and he was sooo grumpy about being woken up, I nearly threw the whole lot in the bin. He did apologise and is now out buying me chocolate, so I suppose I have to forgive him. You see, I am nicer than God!

Aloha, I like the idea of being nicer than god because you forgive your husband. That really puts me up there in the hierarchy. I have to say that I find god's intolerance a real turn off. And my husband who had a miserable childhood (repeatedly hospitalized because he was beaten so badly by his father and then put into care at 12) feels that there couldn't possibly be a god, because no god would ever let him have the childhood that he did.

SofiaAmes, please read the other thread on God and the Bible. God does not let children get abused, their abusers let them get abused. We all have the right to choose good or evil, God does not interfere in that choice, he can only guide them, but if they choose not to follow God, he can only watch from a distance. Rather it is God's counterpart, Satan, who does all the goading and makes it enjoyable for people to be so evil. But rest assured that God, whilst being forgiving, does not let sins go unpunished, he is a just God after all, and these people, whilst they may get away with their crimes here on earth, will certainly pay for them in the afterlife. If they choose to follow Satan, then they choose to dwell in his home - hell.

God can come across as being intolerant, especially when people pick and choose certain quotes from the Old Testament and take them out of context, like the Bible-bashers of old did. But delve into the more reader-friendly New Testament and you will find a loving, caring, father-figure who only wants the best for his children.

How can God take responsibility for a person's actions? He has given us free will, we choose how to live our lives, whether to accept God or not, how to bring up our children, God doesn't butt in every single choice we make, nor would we want him to. We do not want him in our schools, our workplaces, our homes, we have rejected God every step of the way, and then when something terrible happens we ask "Where was God?" That teenage boy may not yet be a man, buy he does know right from wrong and is capable of making decisions. If he has chosen to abuse, that is his choice, we can't take that away from him and neither can God, it is part of God's promise when he created us that we have freedom of choice.

Why do people insist on blaming God for man's mistakes and sins? God does not abuse children, men do, God does not make men abuse children, they choose to do so.

Yes, and what about the child who is abused - OK, so God won't stop someone walking under a bus,but why doesn't he protect the innocent child? Gah, I really should be posting this on the other thread.

And Rhubarb, what on earth is God doing watching from a distance as children are raped??? That's just gross negligence. Suppose those raped children are believing Christians, why doesn't God step in there?

I think I have answered this on the other thread. Bad things happen to all of us. So you want God to come down from Heaven and save children from getting run over, being abused, having accidents and so on? Yet you don't want to worship God, or have him in your homes interfering in your day-to-day lives? If God came down that is exactly what he would be doing, interfering. When Cain murdered Abel in the Bible God did not stop him, yet he punished him "If you try to grow crops, the soil will not produce anything; you will be a homeless wanderer on the earth" (Genesis 4:11) and that is exactly what happened to Cain. When Adam and Eve turned away from God in Eden, they turned away from God's help.

God will not stop the paedophile attacking children as that is the paedophile's choice, like it or not, they have the same free will that we do, and that cannot be taken away from them. But God will not let them go unpunished. He sees the child's suffering and he hurts just as much - "So Jesus called a child, made him stand in front of them, and said, 'I assure you that unless you change and become like children, you will never enter the Kingdom of heaven.....And whoever welcomes in my name one such child as this, welcomes me. If anyone should cause one of these little ones to lose his faith in me, it would be better for that person to have a large millstone tied round his neck and be drowned in the deep sea.....Such things will always happen - but how terrible for the one who causes them!" (Matthew 18:3-8)

Yes Rozzy, everyone has a choice. Ok some people may be sick in the head, but they still know right from wrong otherwise they would be doing their deeds openly.

This thread is going off the beaten track and most things are discussed in the other thread. No matter what I say, you will not believe and nor do I want you to, I'm not a converter. I do not blame God for society's pre-obession with sex, for mothers dressing their 9 yr olds in mini-skirts and boob tubes, for retailers to bring out padded bras and thongs for said 9yr olds, for pornography, for teen magazines telling children how to french kiss, for sad men who like to watch children in the playground. None of this is God's fault, he did not create us for this. You might not think that he does not feel, that he has no emotions, that his son dying for us meant nothing, but God does have feelings. I will never convince you of that though, so I guess we will have to agree to differ. It is so easy though for society to blame God for all its ills instead of looking for an answer within ourselves isn't it?

Rhubarb - I don't agree with you on that one. Paedophiles don't believe that their preference for children is wrong, just that society has yet to accept it, in much the same way that homosexuals were persecuted until relatively recently. Hence the need to be discreet and covert.

Most child abusers have been abused themselves, they have not necessarliy been taught that it is wrong. They may not be able to make that distinction.

Then shouldn't we as a society take the blame for that? Don't you think this society has an unhealthy obsession for sex? When women go for a night out dressed as schoolgirls it makes me shudder as we all know men love schoolgirl outfits, should be really be encouraging this under the pretence that it is a bit of fun? Should we be dressing our pre-teen daughters in make-up and revealing clothes? And what about all these other forms of sex, sado-masichism (I can't spell it!), fetishes, sadism. When people say that they are not doing any harm to others they are wrong, for what happens when this form of sex is no longer appealing, what else are they going to go for? That's how snuff videos started, it was no longer any fun to have sex with a prostitute and film it, no longer any fun to be whipped, they wanted to go one further. When our society humours all these forms of sexual depravity, makes allowances for them, we cannot then wonder why people have to go one further. If something is handed to you on a plate you will soon become bored and go for the one thing you shouldn't do, the one thing that still reeks of danger.

I think society has a lot to answer for, nothing to do with God.