fathers day gift ideas

[threeangels]

Hi all. I was hopeing that some of you might be able to suggest some homemade gifts my kids ages 12,9 and 19mos can make for fathers day this year. We are kind of limited on funds this year so i thought I would do the homemade idea instead. Im not really too creative with ideas. Thanks.

SimomHoward, do you beleive in the Holy bible? Have you studied it ever. Life according to the bible and God is not just live, die and then go to heaven. Theres also hell for those who deny the truth. Just saying this to help. Not to critisize.
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Hope I dont sound like im preaching everyone. Just get carried away sometimes. You know how it is when you get on a sensitive subject.

Jodee the topic I was refering to would be under Yahoo and types as IS THE NIV THE WORD OF GOD.

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SofiaAmes

I don't really feel a need to convert people to how I think but I do try to get them to consider various options which most people I know haven't done.

As for the drinking, I'm about the only male in my family old enough to drink that doesn't use parties or celebrations as an excuse to get totally wasted if at all possible. Maybe this is why I dislike the gatherings so much.

ThreeAngels

I have to say I don't believe in the bible at all, or God or any other religious figure.

As far as I can see organised religions are a waste of time, but I won't turn this into a religious debate.

If someone wants to start a thread on that though I'll happily join in.

Bloss

I would be very interested in finding out why people need an organised religion.

Thanks for hunting down the info.

Simon, I take it you won't ever attend a mumsnet meetup, given your views on socialising...

Sorry, this seems a bit off topic now, but just wanted to say that dp LOVED the painted plant pot, we put some herbs in it and he was really chuffed! Aah.

Tigermoth

I have to admit I hadn't even considered going to one of the meetings.

Threeangels I don't understand your aversion to christian music/gospel. The lyrics in those songs are giving glory to God and I think that's all He would care about. Have you heard of Keith Green? He was one of the most committed christians around and he wrote a ton of songs, not sure how many albums he had but there were a lot. Why shouldn't christian people be able to enjoy different kinds of music? If the music is performed by a christian group and the lyrics are in line with their beliefs, I see nothing wrong with it at all.

Simon - maybe you should get some new friends. I know that 'fun' nowadays does relate to getting drunk, particularly men of your age group. It's refreshing to see someone who isn't interested in that. However there must be millions of activities that are fun and aren't related to drinking - sports, clubs related to a hobby (photography, stamp collecting etc). Or studying something part time. I guess you don't feel lonely so maybe you don't feel an urge to 'join in' with others but even so it is good to talk to others (as you obviously feel because you participate here) because you learn and (yes!) sometimes enjoy their company!

I meant really people that you do like such as your wife, and daughter - would you enjoy seeing them enjoy something like Christmas for example or do you just feel distanced from the whole thing?

I like to balance things - I can at times be very antisocial and I like nothing better than lying in a hot bath with a glass of wine and a good book. However if you spend too much time on your own you can become stale ... anyway sounds like I am lecturing now ...

LiamsMum, I will give you some info this afternoon about the subject of christian rock. I have to go out till later today. I have plenty of stuff on this subject in my home.

Well, the photo album idea went down a storm. Has been hailed the most beautiful present ever, leaving me as close to tears as dh.

Simon - I agree with your attitudes towards Xmas up to a point. I too stopped enjoying Xmas as an older child, basically because of my difficult relationship with my mother. Xmas Day was always something of a trial to get through, I was glad when I was old enough to escape to the pub on Boxing Day and meet friends (sorry Threeangels and SofiaAmes, I know most Americans disapprove of that!).
I know that my personal experiences have coloured my views on this, but now that my children are getting to the age of enjoying it, I can enjoy it for their sakes. I do enjoy the celebration of preparing special food and inviting friends and family around, and love the excitement of the kids getting presents and teaching them about giving presents too. I think when your baby is older Simon you will enjoy it through her eyes.

Most people in the UK aren't religious, we're a far more secular society than America is, and for most people here it is an excuse to spend too much money and eat and drink too much (which is fine up to a point). I too would prefer a more pagan celebration of the winter solstice. The Xmas tree, cards and presents were all introduced by Queen Victoria I think, to bolster the ideal of the family and children (while sending kids into factories, allowing rife childhood prostitution etc etc but that's another story!).
Simon, I thought my dp was unsociable until I started reading your postings! You don't like jazz and sailing by any chance do you? Maybe you could get together..!
Also I agree with your views on organised religion but frankly don't see much point in discussing it (famous last words!)as people either have faith or they don't and that's what it comes down to.

Eulalia

I have always been a loner even from an early age. I do have activities and hobbies but most of them do not require others to be there for them all the time.

As for seeing the joys of Xmas through dd's eyes, I really hope that happens as it would be nice to really enjoy something which I have come to really dislike over the years.

Fionn

I'm not into Jazz and Sailing, they are far to sociable for me (joke).

I have enjoyed cooking dinner on Xmas day for DW virtually every year since we met so in that small way I do enjoy the day and I do enjoy seeing her face light up when she opens a present, but I suprise her with small gifts throughout the year so I don't tend to associate it with just Xmas.

Like you Fionn I couldn't wait to get out of the house on Boxing day. Anything to get away from drunk relatives, family arguements (mainly brought about by the people who had been drinking) and the whole idea that because it was Xmas you had to happy.

I do hope that this Xmas will be different. I'm also hoping that if DW is pregnant again by then that doesn't spoil things. Last Xmas she was not in the best of moods or conditions for either of us to really enjoy ourselves even if we wanted to.

She has asked that if anyone knows how to permanently stop all day morning sickness she will thank them forever.

There are several threads on that topic (morning sickness) so you might want to do a search.
Eating a little bit a lot of the time is good : avoid sugar levels to drop. Some people swear by ginger, ginger cookies and ginger ale.
Worth a try ?
How many weeks is she ?

LiamsMum, Just wanted to get back about the christian rock of today. What I am saying is that yes the lyrics in a lot (not all) contemporary or rock music it is the rythym that has the problem. How can any music with the sound of rock and roll be any different( Minus the lyrics) from wordly music. The singers of today are really nothing but music performers and entertainers hiding behind the Lordand that is not pleasing to the Lord. Yes they may throw in there words of the lord but its nothing but one big rock concert. People may seem like they are honoring the saviour but what their really honouring is man, the person singing. This is obvious by the way they perform and the way the people react to the performing. Do you think god is really pleased to the way things are changing in our churches today. If gods word never changes as he said and he never changes why would he want followers and the church to change. Today anything goes from the music we listen to, to the way we dress, to places we go, to the things we watch on tv and the language we use. Years ago (way before our time) this music would never been heard of but with Satan running wild and taking people away from the truth its a no wonder we have this music proclaiming to serve the lord. I grew up a church where we do not beleive in changing to fit in the world. Because this world will be changing forever and will continue to devour the children of God. If we want to win people over to Christ we need to show we are different from the world. Listening to this type of music is no different. The lyrics tend to be of the Lord bu the music is of the world.

SimonHoward, I really don know what to say about your beleifs. All i can say is what If you find out in the end that there is a God and the bible is true. (I mean the one that was truely inspired by God) That there really is a hell. Like the bible says those who deny me (god and the truth will be cast into lake of fire forever. Im not critisizing you its just that the majority of people do beleive in heaven and hell at least. But if you dont even beleive there is a God then i guess you woudnt beleive in neither. Hope I dont offend you because I dont mean too.

Threeangels, I understand where you're coming from. The thing that struck me while reading your post is that there seem to be two extremes in Christianity - one extreme is that they are too much like the rest of the world, the other extreme is religious bondage. In other words, not allowing themselves to enjoy anything except church related activities. Remember that we are no longer bound by the 'law', as Christ came to free us from that. Paul says that 'everything is permissable, but not everything is good' - I think he means we are supposed to enjoy ourselves and our lives, but we have to decide where to draw the line. If we know that something is not going to be good for us or that it might lead us into something bad, then we shouldn't do it. But we do have a certain amount of freedom now and I think too many people are feeling miserable in the christian faith because they don't know the freedom they have (I have been there myself). Please don't think I mean freedom to sin - I mean freedom to enjoy life. Christ said (not exact quote here) 'I came that you might enjoy your life, in all it's fullness'. So I understand what you mean but I think religious zealots can cause a lot of harm to people by making them feel guilty for everything. I guess the best example is to look at what Christ did & who he associated with - as he said, the main things are to love God and to love your neighbour as yourself. I also realise that there's a lot more to Christianity than that, but it's sad that there seems to be so much confusion attached to the church these days.

I like to listen to Larry Norman - he has a song which is called 'Why Should The Devil Have All The Good Music' - which is what I think! I love to listen to contemporary Christian music as well as singing traditional hymns/psalms in church.
If either of you threeangels and Liamsmum want a great debate about CHristianity - try www.ship-of-fools.com. You can discuss all this and more!!!! Its my 2nd fave to Mumsnet!
How many mumsnetters are Christians by the way? Should we have a new thread??

Oh and btw threeangels one of the main sources for the NIV was the KJV. And what makes the KJV so authoratative? There were transaltions before that!! If you want the unadulterated versions you would be reading it in the origional Hebrew and Greek. Everything else id a trsnslation.

threeangels - don't mean to sound flippant, but if religion is put to people in those terms ie you'll burn in hell if you don't believe, it's fairly understandable that most people will believe! On the balance of probabilities, it is better to believe in God, surely?

If you are brought up with that, it takes quite a lot emotional discomfort (for want of a better phrase) to reject it.

susnamt I'm a Larry Norman fan too.
Tinker, your analysis of being brought up in a christian home is spot on.
Emotional discomfort is exactly what you go through when trying to work out your own beliefs
I absolutely don't understand why anyone would take exception to the NIV.