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jmg1 · 04/04/2004 19:47

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Starsky · 04/04/2004 20:00

What an awful thing to have happened to you and your family. YOu have done incredibly well to have managed things so far, bringing up 3 lovely kids on your own.
I am not sure what to say about moving. Why do you want to leave - is there anything wrong with where you live now or is it the memories that you want to leave behind? They say that sometimes when you move you just take your problems with you, and would that be worth the effort of moving? Is there any where you can go where other family or friends are nearby? I would say that getting some support and friendship for you should be the priority - your kids are so young that they will be OK as long as they are with you. Good luck

kiwisbird · 04/04/2004 20:04

That is a terribly sad story, my sympathies, you sound like you are doing a tremendous job with the children and life in general.
I have moved my son twice, it was easiest when he was younger (4) before he formed lasting attachments to nurdery or school friends, it also enables them to make friendships early on in life, which was what my son suffered with when we moved when he was older (8)
Good luck with what you choose
xx

essbee · 04/04/2004 20:07

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stace · 04/04/2004 20:22

JMG my heart goes out to you and i send you my congratulations at having done so well so far.

I lost both of my parents shortly after my ds was born and although i am sure it does not compare with losing your dp i know a little about some of the emotions attached with loss.

Perhaps you dont need to run too far, although i didnt realise it at the time after i moved home (2 years after my parents died) i made some really big inroad into moving on with my life, I did not realise how much of my grief was tied up in my home, the home i gave birth to my children in and the home i lived in when i buried both of my parents. Although the final day of moving was really really hard it did provide me with some kind of closure. In a strange was closing the door of that home closed the door to the painful memories leaving more room for nicer ones.

Dont know if this will help you at all but hope it does, ((((((()))))))hugs to you anyway.

jmg1 · 04/04/2004 20:49

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harman · 04/04/2004 20:53

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stace · 04/04/2004 20:55

Are you or have you had any counselling, you have so many issues to get through and maybe you need to have some space that is devoted just to you. A place you can go and rant and rave and not feel judged.

That is not to say that you cannot do it here, i know you will find enormous amount of support and empathy here but someone professional and qualified will in time hopefully lead to you finding some peace over some of your pain.

Could you ask your kids gran to look after them for an hour or so, in order that you get a bit of space?

jmg1 · 04/04/2004 21:20

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stace · 05/04/2004 07:23

JMG sorry i missed your last post last night, you sound like you are doing incredibly well... but i have to say that i too am a ace at hiding the pain inside. You have obviously been through a huge amount and i am pleased for you that you found sobs (i was in touch with them too once) did you find it even a little comforting to communicate with others who shared some of your emotions?

Your dps counsellor sounds incredibly heartless and unprofessional and at the very least should have given you some recommendations to other professionals if she/he felt unable to help you!! I am sorry that you had such a bad experience from that prat. But like any profession their some a** out there too, but there are good ones too. Have over many years been through a fair number i would really recommend short term cognitive therapy to help you over each issue in your own time. I.e not someone who wants to see you for the next 10 years but someone who will help you deal with and make peace with each issue as and when you want, with a little nudging to help you get over your barriers. If you live in London i would be really really happy to recommend someone. If you you want to email me through contact a talker feel free.

I really do advise that 1 hour that is yours away from responsibilities were someone professional can listen and advise can be hugely unburdening, uplifting and cathartic. Ask around for other recommendations also ask your gp surely you are entitled on the NHS???

CAtch up with you later!! Must go to work

jmg1 · 05/04/2004 10:39

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SHIREENSMOM · 05/04/2004 10:52

so sorry to hear this. but well done for kieeping it together for you kids you are a very good dad and a asset to your kids, is there not any groups that you can go to to meet new people? can i ask why you dont speak to your father? one thing is for sure the munsnet lot are allways here and they are a great help ther is allways someone to talk to take care

SHIREENSMOM · 05/04/2004 10:56

i have just read all the other posts and counciling does help well it did for me i have a very rough childhood and counciling helped me a great deal, just give it a try you have been through a extreamly bad time and my heart goes out to you

Easy · 05/04/2004 11:11

JMG

Sweetheart, this is such a sad story, my heart goes out to you.

I'm going to say something which will be really unpopular, but which I really believe. I don't think counselling is always a good idea. I believe that endlessly talking about the terrible things that happened to you just keeps them live in your mind, and doesn't allow you to move on.
I think you are right to concentrate your efforts on your children BUT you need time to rebuild YOUR life too.

Could you consider a move that would be local? So you could start with a new home, new scenery but the children could stay at their schools, keep their friends?

Do you have a network of friends? Perhaps you need to spend some time finding friends of your own (particularly if you work from home, am I right?). Join a sports activity or interest group, so you are doing something without the kids once or twice a week. You may not wish to go at first (happens to lots of bereaved people), but force yourself, you may find that once you get involved you enjoy it.

If babysitting is an issue, contact childminders in the area and explain your position. Someone may be happy to do 1 or 2 evenings for you.

I really wish I could talk to you personally, I really do feel for you, you've been thru soooo much.

Keep in touch with us here love.

jmg1 · 05/04/2004 11:34

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SHIREENSMOM · 05/04/2004 11:55

sorry i didnt no that things where that bad with your dad im sorry if i have upset you by asking about him but you no what you dont need a dad like that. sorry for repeating myself but again i think that you are very brave an a lovely man. tell me about your kids lets talk about somethimg positive

SHIREENSMOM · 05/04/2004 12:09

i cant stop talking today. i used to live in birmingham where a lot of bad things happened to me i moved to luton where i live now and it sorted my life out because there wasnt bad memories everywhere i looked. BUT i dint have a child then do you think it would be better for you and your children if you moved away ?

Janstar · 05/04/2004 12:36

Hi jmg1. I'm sorry to read of your troubles, and must add my congratulations to those of others here who can see what a good job you must be doing with your children.

I am glad you found mumsnet, you will find this website helpful and supportive in many ways, not forgetting the small things as well as major life situations such as yours.

I believe any parents with three children under five would feel it was a struggle, even if everything is going well, it is immense hard work before you even contemplate your bereavements and your own family history. So I take my hat off to you. Please try not to feel guilty, I guess anyone would if their partner committed suicide, it would be a natural reaction, but please...give yourself a break. It sounds as if your dp had problems not connected with you that caused her mental instability and you have enough on your plate without feeling to blame for that.

It is terribly sad, but this is the life you are in and far from feeling guilty I think you should be feeling proud that you have managed to cope for you children. You are breaking the patterns of you and your partners' upbringings and lovingly parenting your own children to a happy well-balanced childhood you didn't have. I can't think of anything anyone could acheive in their life which would be more important.

Some people believe in counselling, some don't. I am one of the former, I believe counselling and phsychotherapy can release us from unhealthy behavioural patterns and damaging ways of thinking which result from wrong conditioning by parents. For me it was like breaking a chain which had bound me and finding I could live a happier life, expecting as much as anyone else from it.

However, I do understand that for some people counselling feels as Easy describes it, raking up bad memories and feeling the pain all over again. It depends how you are coping. If you find your own way of coping and it is working for you, you are not battling depression, then who can say you are not perfectly fine as you are. On the other hand people with excellent coping skills can reach crisis point without really knowing, because they are so good at coping that the depression hits them suddenly, as happened to me, I had worn out my coping skills and suddenly floundered under an immense burden I had been carrying for years.

For some people just having friends to talk to is enough. You will find there are people on mumsnet willing to lend a metaphorical ear at most times of day, if you are at home and cannot get out to meet a 'real' friend.

I agree with what people have said about getting out on your own sometimes. We all need a break from our kids, to refresh ourselves, to remember that we were adults once! Even if you simply go for a walk, collect your thoughts, or go for a quick pint, do try to arrange something for yourself, for your sanity.

I also think that you need a good female role model for them, unfortunately your dp's mother doesn't sound so great, but perhaps a friend or neighbour who can do the more girlie things with them? When I was bringing up two little girls alone, my father and a friend were excellent male figures for them, so that they could grow up knowing what a husband and father should be like, and have the discernment to choose a good man for themselves when older. I have now been married for four years, so they have a lovely dad in their lives again.

I would delay the decision about moving, give yourself as much time as you need to think about it and I am sure the answer will become obvious to you eventually.

It sounds to me as if one day your kids will know what you have done for them and you won't just be a much-loved father, but so much more besides.

jmg1 · 05/04/2004 13:49

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Janstar · 05/04/2004 13:58

Yes you can. You can, and are making those childrens' lives loving, stable and supportive in a way you and your partner never experienced.

Hold your head up high and be very proud that you have broken away from these damaging patterns. It's not easy to do.

Well done

stace · 05/04/2004 14:01

JmG1, you can and are without a doubt doing a far far far better job as a dad than yours did for you and more than most do for there kids.

But i am worried about your last comment 'If i can keep it together' am i reading too much into this or are you near to the edge,

I agree with every single word that janstar said and also had amazing coping skill that just collapsed one day, please at least go to your doctor and tell them how you are feeling, you cannot carry all this stuff on your own for ever,

If this is drivel ignore me i only mean good stuff!!

Big hugs will catch you later :

jmg1 · 05/04/2004 15:42

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jmg1 · 06/04/2004 09:36

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jmg1 · 06/04/2004 11:07

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kaz33 · 06/04/2004 11:34

Hello jmg1 - it sounds like you are doing a brilliant job. You can always find someone to talk to here and an infinite amount of patience and common sense. So never feel that you are going on.

I have two children under the age of 3 and a partner to support me, I can't even imagine what it must be like to have 3 under the age of 4 on your own.

Your mother in law doesn't sound ideal but she is some sort of family who can give you support and break. It doesn't appear that she spends enough time with the children to "damage" them.

I think what is clear is that you will never get the love and support that you want/deserve from your dad or your mum in law. You have to decide whether or not you can take what is on offer, whether it is a bit of babysitting, financial support etc... or whether it is too painful to go there.

Being a parent is a lonely job and you sound like you need something else in your life to focus on. Do you have any interests, that you could spend some time on once or twice a week - preferably something that involves other people ?

Keep posting

bundle · 06/04/2004 11:45

jmg1, there's a fabulous cookery book called Easy Peasy which is full of simple but fun food for kids/adults too, I got it out of our library and copied out some of the recipes itwas so good. I have a good friend whose wife died in childbirth and although he gets lots of help from her family, looking after his daughter during the week, I know he feels very isolated and doesn't feel he fits in at all. that reminds me, I must ring him tonight and fix a day we can spend with him over easter. I don't know what else to suggest - there have been some good practical things on here already. I've heard of family therapy but I don't know if this is available near you, or appropriate for such young children. I do feel though that something should be available for you, you're really doing a terrific job and need just a bit of help so that you can have enough physical/mental energy to support your children in the loving way that you want to.