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help for rhubarb please - dont be shy pleasey weasy lemon squeezy. information from people who have no mains gas - its not boring honest. help her shes doing her nut in ta

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Tortington · 19/07/2006 11:14

she can only get on internet infrequently and would like som help regarding moving house

she is considering moving to a house which has no mains gas

d you or do you know of anyone who lives up north and has no mains gas?

how cold are the winters in carlysle
are they just bracing or are they trez wet?

how much are the leccy bills likley to be with no mains gas - she knows it will be more expensive but how much?

is there a partic leccy company or leccy tarriff she should consider?

she has chance to rent house in nice villagey place with small school and good pub - how fab is that - only there is no mains gas and she doesnt want to freeze her tits off - her words- in winter

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MaryP0p1 · 19/07/2006 19:18

We don't live in England but do live away from where we can get main gas and it is a lot more expensive. However we have a woodburning stove (which cooks and heats) and a fire in our living room. In the winter it is f**king cold but very pretty.

anorak · 19/07/2006 19:34

Haven't read the whole thread but:

My dad lives in a house with no mains gas. He has oil-fired central heating - There's a big oil tank and a truck comes round to fill it up when the indicator gets low. It used to be expensive but the way gas prices have risen I think it is quite competitive now.

He has calor gas bottles for the cooker.

Chandra · 19/07/2006 20:00

I doubt it will be worth it to change heating system in a rented house. Changing to bottled gas from solid fuel costed us more than £2000 almost 8 yrs ago.

IMO (after reading the other thread), if the house is rented for just £400 lack of mains gas could well be the reason. We used to spend £100+ per month just to keep the house barely warm.

Rhubarb · 20/07/2006 21:18

Custy you are a star - although tbh the lack of shagging is not of particular importance to me right now, he can go shag a donkey for all I care!

The rent really isn't that expensive for the area Emmylou, we've been looking at houses to let on the Net for ages now and that seems to be the going rate. We could get a nice detached house with acres of land in Penton for less rent, but if you have a look at where Penton is you see why!

They have agreed to lower the rent to £375pcm and we have agreed to have it. We go back into Carlisle tomorrow to have a look at one more property in Brampton - £425pcm gch 3 bed but rear yard and looks bloody awful tbh but we thought we should just compare before signing on the dotted line.

We are also going in to see the school (88 pupils and a fantastic OFSTED report) and the nursery which we probably won't be able to afford now (best in area, etc etc).

I think that overall it's a bargain. It does have a back boiler that will heat our water and we can buy those halogen heater things. It's not an open plan property like our last house was, so the heat will stay in the room. And tbh our last property was so damp in the winter the walls of the kids room was soaking all the time, hopefully we won't get that problem here. And we're used to wet winters - we both come from Lancashire.

Soooo, it's our new house! Here scroll down till you get to Craiglyn, a white washed little cottage - that's our new house that is!

Oh and chatee and her family are lovely, can't wait to meet her dd! Her ds is a brave little boy!

SecondhandRose · 20/07/2006 21:34

We have no gas, we have oil and spent £2,700 on it last year but we do have a self catering cottage and a pool so I'm probably not the best comparison. We have two gas canisters in the garden that fuel the gas hob, they've been going for 18 months so far without needing a change (but that could be to do with my lack of cooking skills). I would love to find out about changing over to bottled gas as the boiler in the house will need replacing soon. Or even solar panels for the pool but suppose that will cost a fortune too.

NotAnOtter · 20/07/2006 21:35

i am in yorkshire and it gets bloody cold....lived in liverpool which seemed equally cold for many years and suvived without central heating or cash ...shagged alot then though....

EmmyLou · 21/07/2006 09:52

Sounds familiar Notanotter - remember student house in Liverpool where the floor in the damp kitchen crunched icily underfoot on frosty mornings. But up by the Solway Firth, aren't things meant to be slightly more temperate?

geekgrrl · 21/07/2006 10:19

I'm in N. Yorks., no mains gas, use electricity for heating and everything else. House is big (5 beds) open-plan, huge windows and made in 1979 thus poorly insulated and the biggest bedroom is above the double garage (although we've done a lot to rectify the insulation problems).
Our annual electricity bill is around 2.5K.
I'd imagine it would be much better in a smaller house with better insulation and more internal walls though. We have kitchen, living room and dining room all open-plan, so that's a big area to heat.

tenalady · 21/07/2006 10:27

I have a house in France without mains gas. We cook on bottled gas and heating was an open fire and electric.
Roob must of had similar in her place in France. I cant see any other solution.

btw >> ive been away and the last I knew Roob was living in France and not getting on with dh. Am I to assume she left him and has actually moved back here for good?

SherlockLGJ · 21/07/2006 10:30

No they all moved together, as for Rhubs and her DH, I think that is called the trials and tribulations of marraige.

tenalady · 21/07/2006 10:31

Oh that is good then, I remember she got pretty damn low at one time. Back on home soil then hopefully lifting her spirits.

trinityrhino · 21/07/2006 10:31

lovely house rhubarb, maybe we could get together when your all settled

SherlockLGJ · 21/07/2006 10:34

Rhubs

Lovely house.

Rhubarb · 22/07/2006 20:54

Well fuck me senseless! What a fucking week and I will not apologise for my French there either!

I telephone shithead estate agents whose name I will not deign to mention - CUMBRIAN PROPERTIES - on the Thurs to say that we will have the house at £375pcm with leccy storage heaters installed upstairs. I said we'd call in on the Friday with deposit, papers, etc. Fri morning we make the 2 hour drive to Carlisle, we have a look round the town of Brampton, we call in at the school and book dd a place (lovely lovely school, gave us loads of books to help dd catch up), called in at the nursery about ds (fab nursery but fecking expensive!) then we try to find the estate agents whose name I shall still not mention - CUMBRIAN PROPERTIES - we get stupidly lost as Carlisle has the most well hidden bus station I have ever known and we were told to make for the sodding bus station. We arrive half an hour after we should have done. I introduce myself and say we've come to finalise the deal on the house. Here is the conversation with Mr Arsehole and me;

MrA "Craiglyn? Sorry I've just let it!"
R "Very funny."
Mr A "No, I have just let it, a guy came in 20 mins ago and paid 6 months up front, full rent, here is his bankers draft"
R "No fucking way mate, I telephoned you yesterday, I said we wanted the house, you knew we were coming today"
Mr A "But it wasn't final, this guy gave a better offer, sorry but that's business"
R "But I've just got my daughter into the school! We have all our papers here for you and the deposit! You knew we were coming!"
Mr A "Look I'm sorry but first come first served and this guy had a better offer, the landlady has been informed, the deal is done."
I then have a rant about morality, about business being fucking personal when you are dealing with human beings, lives, children, etc. I said he could have phoned to tell us this guy had come in, given us the chance to respond, but he didn't. He said nothing to this, only that he hadn't had his dinner and was off to get it. I refused to leave the office, I made a scene, people were looking. This other guy came up and said he would do his best to find another property for us in the same area, he told dh to take me for a stiff drink and come back in half an hour. I made another scene outside the offices and then left quietly.

Just as we were leaving this old lady passed, now I didn't really see her, all I remember is dd pulling onto my arm and then going apeshit hysterical, screaming, REALLY screaming and trying to climb up me in pure fear. I turned to see the back of this old woman passing, dh explained that she looked hideous, yellow and deformed and she had pulled her tongue out at dd which was very very long apparently. Well dd was so fucking shaken up, really really shaken up! I thought we had walked into a nightmare and I seriously wondered if we were still asleep!

We went back, this other guy sat us down, gave the kids an ice cream and explained that he had spoken to this guy who had put in the offer and persuaded him to back down, he told him that a young family were devastated and the guy reluctantly backed off. But the landlady thought she was getting the full rent, house as it was (no heaters) and 6 months rent in advance, so we had to match the offer. Dh was livid but what could we do? So that is what we have done, laid down 6 months rent at £400pcm, we have no heaters upstairs now, we have to provide these ourselves.

So the good news is that we did get the house and we move in next weekend and dd is in the school and everybody seems really nice and friendly, but the bad news is that we didn't get our original deal and we have to provide our own heating. So we are seriously out of pocket atm, but we'll survive. At least we have a house!

If anyone knows of any furniture going btw, we need a freezer, washing machine, child's bed and some heaters etc!

The moral of this tale is; don't assume you have a telephone arrangement, nothing is concrete without a deposit and estate agents particularly CUMBRIAN PROPERTIES the one I shall not name, are all heartless bastards and it's worth making a fucking scene!

all4girlz · 22/07/2006 21:14

oh my word rhubarb just read the thread

cannot believe what a*h**s estate agents are --what did they think you were going to do after the long drive and getting kids sorted
ffs

horrified at the little old lady (hopefully not your new neighbour)
good luck with your move all the best jx

miasmummy · 22/07/2006 21:30

hi

the same thing happened to my brother with the exact same estate agents!! he was promised it then it was let to someone else, at least you got it in the end though. Sorry cant help you with any furniture but i live in carlisle and if i hear of anything i will let you know.

SofiaAmes · 23/07/2006 16:03

You have just been had with a classic scam. I would report them to the estate agents board. Write a formal letter and cc the agents on it. And speak directly to the owners of the property and let them know what has happened. I might also complain to the local police and business association.

Rhubarb · 23/07/2006 19:42

SA it's not illegal though. I will check up on the Tenant's Act to see what obligations the landlords have as regards to heating a property.

Their point of view was that although we had said we'd have the property and were coming in with all the necessaries, we might not have turned up. Without a deposit, no agreement is final. In Scotland if you shake hands then the contract is deemed binding, but not here and telephone contracts mean sweet FA. So this other guy comes in with the money up front and they give it to him. He was offering a better price than us. I suppose if you were selling your house and someone offered you £5,000 less and you accepted on the phone, then someone else phones the next day and offers you the original asking price, you'd go with them wouldn't you? Actually you'd probably phone the first people and ask them to match the offer, which is why I was so livid, they hadn't done the decent thing in asking us to match this guy's offer. They knew we were due to come into the office, they should have phoned us first. We were first to make an offer. But unfortunately nothing that they did was illegal.

And this guy was real, I saw the bankers draft and his completed application form. The lettings dept were not going to back down on it either, as far as they were concerned the house was gone. If the guy from sales hadn't stepped in, we would be without house. They were phoning other estate agents for us, but this was the house we wanted!

It's just shit that's all. But we have the house and we should be thankful for that I guess. We move in next Friday and tomorrow is my first day of work! An hour and a halfs drive to Kendal and I just hope I manage to stay on the left side of the road and not get lost! So if you see a big red van in the Kendal area tomorrow please take pity on me!

SminkoPinko · 23/07/2006 19:46

Good luck for tomorrow, rhubs. Sorry you had all the hassle securing the house- thank goodness it came good though. You've done so well getting everything organised.
(Scummy)

Rhubarb · 23/07/2006 20:01

Ta Scumster! Just trying to find out where we stand legally with the agency now, if I can find something, anything that they have done illegally or that they have neglected to do I want to royally screw them over!

So if anyone reading this spots something I could have a go at, let me know!

chai18 · 24/07/2006 11:24

You've been done. One big scam.

I feel for you.

hulababy · 24/07/2006 11:30

In the apartment I lived in until last year (in Sheffield) there was no gas, only electricity. We had modern electric heating on the wall in every room, all indidvudally controlled. Electricity was dearer than gas, but with all the fuel price hikes not sure if it makes that much difference now.

We used to pay £60 a month for the two bed apartment - had heating, showers, oven, hob, dishwasher, washer/dryer (used quite a lot) and all water heating. This was until about year ago.

CountessDracula · 24/07/2006 11:34

It sounds like a scam to me too
I bet this bloke doesn't exist, I mean why would he back down if he really wanted it?

Enid · 24/07/2006 11:35

I have no mains gas

we have leccy and oil tanks

Enid · 24/07/2006 11:36

christ alive have just read thread