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Is it awful to borrow a friend's national trust card to get in free

143 replies

Twiglett · 23/06/2006 11:17

to national trust places

when it is obviously a charity

or is it payback for the disgustingly foul and overpriced food they sell at such places?

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JanH · 23/06/2006 12:24

Car park sticker, zippi? We just got new membership cards but no sticker!

JanH · 23/06/2006 12:24

pesme, there is a lot more to the NT than subsidising pea-brained aristos

zippitippitoes · 23/06/2006 12:25

yes..you usually get a sticker with national trust on but this time it was for car parking

pesme · 23/06/2006 12:27

yes i know janh. i love the stuff they do in the countryside but there is a certain about of pea brain aristo subsidising going on. and it is a hot house of sloany 'having a career while i wait to get married' (preferably to a pea brained aristo)

Clary · 23/06/2006 12:27

zippi fascinating mustard-related trivia there!
Actually we use our NT pass loads - have already been to about a dozen events since Easter but we have some good places hereabouts.
Not sure about Twigs OP...I have taken a 5yo child of a non member into a house for a quick look with my own ds1 and told said 5yo to be 4 if anyone asks...otherwise we would have stayed outside I think. I think that's acceptable.

fistfullofnappies · 23/06/2006 13:11

argghhh the National Trust is awful! use the card and feel no guilt, except from being complicit in a class-ridden benevolent dictatorship.

Rowlers · 23/06/2006 13:17

We always get our new cards a month before the old ones run out - my parents use the old ones for a yearly visit to Bodnant.
I feel no guilt or shame but accept that maybe I should.
Parents = poor pensioners and I feel more allegiance to their cause.

LadyTambaOfTambaTown · 23/06/2006 13:20

I would use it

notagrannyyet · 23/06/2006 13:24

I've never lent NT or English Heritage cards out,but might as a one off for family or close friends.
Most people who take children into these places buy a guide book, drinks,ice cream etc. and they always charge top prices. It's not as if NT are losing out compeletly.
Did once lend out DS1 & DDs Blue Peter badges to the family in next tent to us when on holiday near Durham.We used them to take ours to Beamish open air museum . They said that they would love to take their kids but it cost too much to take a family.I can't see what harm we did by getting their 2 children in free.

GDG · 23/06/2006 13:25

Er, it's wrong but I'd do it!

I'm a member though so no need to

Caligula · 23/06/2006 13:25

LOL at National Trust managing to make a mumsnet thread kick off - it will soon, won't it?

GDG · 23/06/2006 13:25

Tatton rip you off by charging £4 a car to go in, even for members

Cappucino · 23/06/2006 13:30

you could call it payback for the year my dad bought us a joint membership

and we used it once to park at Tarn Hows

saving a massive £1.50

Twiglett · 23/06/2006 13:30

woo-weeee .. did NOT expect this strength of feeling

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tassis · 23/06/2006 13:36

I signed up one year when there was a riciculously good offer for under 25s. 3 years later (and having visited no properties since I thought my year was up) I realised thiey were still direct debiting my account. Ooops.

Did wonder why they kept sending me their glossy magazine.

To answer the original question - I wouldn't.

DevilsAdvocado · 23/06/2006 13:42

I don't have a card, but my mate does.. we all went together, her and her dd and me and my ds.. we used her card to get in (should I have paid?) they still charged us a further £5 for car parking though

USE IT!!!

flatmouse · 23/06/2006 13:46

zipptippi.. what car parking sticker? we have family membership - but no sticker.

NormaSnorks · 23/06/2006 13:52

To be honest, I hate this sort of attitude, that

  • it's a big organisation, so they deserve to be ripped off
  • I can get away with it (getting in for free) so why would I pay..

It's the old 'thin end of the wedge' sort of thing. What if everyone who was a NT member (there are 3.4 million) lent their card twice a year to a non-member, and that non-member didn't pay a say, £5 entrance fee... that's 35 million pounds the NT has 'lost' in revenue.

That's a lot of money which could be spent on maintaining grounds/ repairing houses etc.
The National Trust is a charity, and it gets NO funding from government. They survive on revenues from their properties, donations, membership and also a lot of volunteer (or below market rate) support.

Quite frankly, if you don't want to pay, then don't go.

If you could get on a train using a friend's rail pass would you? "Oh, but inspector, it's OK, because the train company will make money from me at the coffee kiosk..."

I think you know the answer to this question (i.e. YES it IS awful - it's stealing...) but you're just hoping for some supportive arguments to make you feel better if you do it?

ScummyMummy · 23/06/2006 13:57

lol @ pesme. I think you should do it if you're skint but not if you're flush.

Caligula · 23/06/2006 14:10

Normasnorks they'd only be out of pocket if the people using other's cards would have otherwise gone and paid. Lots of people just simply wouldn't bother going to NT properties if they had to pay. So it wouldn't make any difference to the NT.

zippitippitoes · 23/06/2006 14:17

it would make less wear and tear

Caligula · 23/06/2006 14:24

LOL. I don't really htink the NT are that worried about wear and tear, or they wouldn't be trying to encourage more people to visit their properties.

NormaSnorks · 23/06/2006 14:25

Caligula - OK, I agree that some of them might not bother going, but I bet some would have paid, and even if it was just 1 in 4 then it's still a significant enough sum of money.

I just don't see why some folk should feel it's Ok to be dishonest and let other people pay for them.

In a town near where we live there used to be a summer music festival run by a charity. It was good fun, with some quite good music & bands. But because it was run in the local park, it was hard for them to restrict it. They had a perimeter fence, and tried to put the stage at an angle so it wasn't very visible outside, but it wasn't perfect. On the first year loads of people went, paid the entrance fee and it was a huge success. Two years later, some people were still going, but many went up on the hill behind the park instead and watched from there (for free). By last year, a whole host of food vendors/ chair suppliers etc had made the hill an informal 'freezone' (so people would pay £5 for a chair, but not for a ticket ). This year the festival isn't happening - the charity went into deficit simply because people were 'cheating' the system in this way.

It's very simple - the more people let themselves believe that this kind of 'grey theft' is OK and justifiable, then the more likely everyone will lose out in the long run.

It might seem like a small, insignificant act, but if replicated across a massive population and applied to many situations, this sort of behaviour has major societal implications.

Caligula · 23/06/2006 14:26

Fair enough.

expatinscotland · 23/06/2006 14:27

is it okay if i borrow a friend's identity to get [insert ANY service] for free?

look at it in those terms.

you wouldn't say 'yes' to someone who, say, was ineligible to use the NHS b/c of their immigration status but borrowed a friend's card to get the service for free.

so why is the NT any different?