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Have you ever used a neighbours broadband connection without asking them??????

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RTKangaMummy · 11/04/2006 19:51

Cos I am at the moment

It is weak but it is working

Smile
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elliott · 13/04/2006 13:52

this is really interesting, ingnoramous that I am I didn't know this was possible - assumed you meant was it ok to pop onto neighbours computer without them knowing!!
Actually I don't think this is stealing, since you are not taking anything from them -they are not incurring any loss by your use of it.
Actually what it makes me think is, why don't we just have neighbourhood connections that anyone can use?

Kelly1978 · 13/04/2006 13:59

Don't do it!!!!

It is illegal, you can get caught, and fined. There are specific offences to deal with this kind of thing -

A man has been fined £500 for hacking into a wireless connection.

It what is believed to be the first of its kind in the UK, a jury at Isleworth court found Gregory Straszkiewicz, 24, guilty of dishonestly obtaining an electronic communications service and possessing equipment for fraudulent use of a communications service.

Straszkiewicz was caught standing outside a building in a residential area holding a wireless-enabled laptop.

The Crown Prosecution Service said he was 'piggybacking' the wireless network that householders were using.

Straszkiewicz was fined £500 and sentenced to 12 months' conditional discharge.

I'm pretty sure someone is piggybacking mine, as it is very slow, I just haven't to round to securing it yet.

Kelly1978 · 13/04/2006 14:02

elliot - they are discussing doing that, I don't think it will be too long before they start the pilot schemes in major cities. I'm not sure how it is supposed to work, but I remember reading about it a little while ago. Some hospitals do it on a smaller scale, so patients can pay to log in and use bband.

SaintGeorge · 13/04/2006 14:05

I did a link to that case earlier Kelly.

hellywobs · 13/04/2006 14:05

In a nice world neighbours would club together and agree to share a wireless network.

I agree - it would also make sense to share things like lawn mowers and drills - would save everyone a lot of money. I wish there were more car clubs too.

SaintGeorge · 13/04/2006 14:07

Some people already do the club together thing and have done for quite awhile. I'll try to find the article again.

Kelly1978 · 13/04/2006 14:09

sorry sg, missed that. Skimmed thru thread, didn't read properly. Blush

Cappucino · 13/04/2006 14:10

we're getting pay as you go broadband on a wireless system and I would be peeved if someone else was using it because it would push our bills up

SaintGeorge · 13/04/2006 14:10

S'alright Smile

\link{http://money.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,,1712200,00.html\Guardian article}

SaintGeorge · 13/04/2006 14:13

\link{http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,664797,00.html\Another Guardian piece}

starlover · 13/04/2006 19:21

cappucino, they would only be able to use it if it was acivated.... if you weren't using it it wouldn't be open... I think
so you wouldn't incur any extra charges.

it is NOT the same as leaving your purse somewhere. you are broadcasting a signal into someones home.

the case dp stated in the US found in the users favour... because they said that by failing to secure the network the owners were technically inviting people to use it.

how is it stealing if the person paying for it is incurring no extra costs? what exactly is being stolen and why would you care?
it isn't costing you ANYTHING... so I fail to see the problem.

It also is NOT hacking! to hack into something you have to break into a secure network and use it. This is a different thing entirely.. using an open network

cataloguequeen · 13/04/2006 19:38

Stop making excuses you all know it's a liberty get ya own you scrougers!!Grin

Chandra · 13/04/2006 21:09

Although we could well live on neigbours' unsecured broadbands we are paying our own, and I agree that if I don't take care to protect what is mine I can not expect it to be respected by people who don't even know who I am.

I think that using an unsecured broadband is simmilar to find a £20 bill in the street, you know is not morally right to keep it but you have no way to know who does it belong to, or how to inform the owner about the loss.

Hausfrau · 15/04/2006 17:46

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trinityrocks · 15/04/2006 19:38

wouldn't think anything of it, if they haven't secured it which is titally easy then they are aware that other people could use it. My mate only has his neighbours wireless to use lol, couldn't really complain though when there line went down so he couldn't use it lol

Kaloo20 · 16/04/2006 20:58

Morals ! This is a grey area. We have been piggybacking networks for years - not at home we have mega access - which happens to be very secure(house of boring techies !) but defo use the first one we pick up when camping, or out and about - even in France! It's amazing how many people don't secure their networks. Now we take it for granted it is possible to surf more or less anywhere when we have the tablet with us.

For the record we can pick up 4 networks from our home PC's ... some being local businesses !

  • anyone who tells me about morals - think - have you ever recorded music from a radio onto tape (as a kid), or taken a copy of a friends CD - broken the speed limit or parked on a yellow line ??

All illegal.

SueW · 16/04/2006 22:25

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Dorike · 17/04/2006 10:58

You lot who do this dodgy internet stuff are dirty scammers, just remember what goes around comes around. You should be ashamed yourselves.

dottydaisy · 17/04/2006 15:18

personally, i think you lot are a load of self righteous -stuck up your own arse-prats!!!!!!!!!!

A question was asked- why did you all jump on her like a pack of fu*&ing wolves- Why don't you get back on your high horses and gallop off.
Every time i read a thread like this it is the same people who pounce.

What are you perfect or something???!!!

Just give your opinion without being so bloody forthright- do oyu actual;ly think that people give a a shit that you lead boring lives and never taking risks- PATHETIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

waterfalls · 17/04/2006 15:38

Kaloo20
You are right about it being illegal to tape of the radio etc, it is also illegal to hire a video/DVD and invite friends to watch it with you, it is also illegal to sell on or lend books, but I best most police offices do at least one of these things on a regular basis.

puff · 17/04/2006 15:44

lol

RTKangaMummy · 17/04/2006 19:12

I had a look on the "available networks" just before we left this morning and there were 3 networks coming into our home

I didn't use the broadband again while we were down there, just dial up -- thank goodness MN was off air Grin

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starlover · 17/04/2006 19:18

pmsl at "dodgy internet stuff"!

Flum · 17/04/2006 21:38

ummm so how do you secure your wireless network then?

mind you our only neighbours for half a mile are over 80 so not sure they will be hacking in.

the sheep might of course

DominiConnor · 19/04/2006 12:43

One has to be clear about the difference between firewalling and securing your network against people using the signal.

A wireless router broadcasts it's existence to anything up to about 100 metres away, sometimes more, but usually less.
The methods used are moderately smart, so you don't have to do much to connect. If your PC has been on a wireless net before, it's entirely possible it may "adopt" a router without asking you, or by flashing an unhelpful message.

Thus it's not impossible to accidentally attach to your neighbours router if it's "nearer" allowing for walls than your own.
The default "name" for most routers is either it's manufacturer or the model type. Given that there aren't that many manfuacturers, you may actually think "ah Belkin, must be mine".
This used to be absurdly unlikely, but these days so many homes have wireless, it's quite possible to "see" multiple networks from your home, and for them to see you.

Yes, it is possible to "see what you are typing". There's s/w for this sort of thing, and the utter lack of any decent security is one reason I do not use online banking, even though my home PCs have quite good security. As it happens in my last job I was in charge of the network HM Treasury uses to monitor investment banks, so I have some idea of how crap retail banks web stuff is. Short version is that if you turned up with an IT service at a household name bank with the sort of security they give to their customers they would quite literally laugh in your face.

Very few home firewalls maintain any useful record of attacks upon them. Thus you could be under attack right now and not notice except for your link being a bit slower.

A firewall looks at the lumps of data flowing through the machine, and if it doesn't like what it sees, blocks the packets. Thus the F/W on your PC has some chance of stopping bad stuff coming in from the internet, but will trust a neighbour's PC , as its default.

The firewall that comes in nearly any wireless router looks at stuff from the net and linked PCs quite differently.
The default setup as it comes out of the box, is to trust any system on your "side" of the firewall. It will not stop them using the net, and it will not stop them being able to reach your PC. The odds aren't very high that your neighbour has the skills to hack into your PC, but there are much higher chances that he may be infected with something nasty that will try and recruit your PC to some nefarious purpose.

Your Windows F/W may resist such hacking, but it's from Microsoft. They're not exactly the #1 trusted brand for security.

To secure your router at least to a minimum, you need to follow the instructions on the manual, or the manufacturers web site. Decent ones like Linksys allow for the data to be encrypted and only certain network cards to talk to it.
They also can block addresses and only allow web access at certain times, which may be useful if you have kids who need to be "rationed".

The process for this is not all that tricky, but does require that you read the manual, and ensure that you know what you are doing. First thing of course in that process is to find the way that you can re-set the router back to "factory settings" :)
One "factory setting" is that the password for the router is standard, and published on the web.
Typically the router is shipped so that you aren't allowed to login to it as an administrator from the outside net.
But your neighbour can, since the router has no way of knowing that they are next door, unless you tell it.

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