Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Other subjects

David Cameron has called his son Arthur

35 replies

lilibet · 17/02/2006 15:04

here

I know we have at least one mumsnetter with an Arthur, but am pretty sure that their middle name isn't Elwen

and who is Elwen in Lord of the Rings? I can think of Arwen and Elrond, but not an Elwen

OP posts:
Tortington · 17/02/2006 15:56

elwyn is eomirs cousin

hunkermunker · 17/02/2006 15:57

Are people criticising him for taking paternity leave?

tangerinecath · 17/02/2006 16:09

I hope not HM. I think it's great that he's taking the time off, albeit whilst still working at home.

hunkermunker · 17/02/2006 16:11

What is Tory thinking on paternity leave? I thought they wanted to decrease maternity leave?

HRHQueenOfQuotes · 17/02/2006 16:17

he voted against paid paternity leave back in 2002 (apparently).

zippitippitoes · 17/02/2006 16:17

I see evidence supporting my theory that the name Nancy is posh!

Hulababy · 17/02/2006 16:20

With 3 under 4, I really hope he is taking some paternity leave!

Ellbell · 17/02/2006 20:12

I love the name Arthur. Can see it coming back into fashion.

Am not convinced by the elfin-ness of Elwen. At least, there is a St Elwyn's church in my home town,which suggests a Christian connotation as well as an elfin one.

spacedonkey · 17/02/2006 20:15

Named after Arthur Scargill presumably

(I love the name btw)

PeachyClair · 17/02/2006 20:45

To me Arthur says:

  1. Dad's Army
  2. Old alkie played by dudley Moore
  3. Pauline's dead dh in eastenders.

So no, don't really like (said the woman who gave her the same name as a steptoe!).

Elwen sounds Welsh to me, but I immediately thought 'Elvish!'! I REALLY hope it's Welsh!

Caligula · 17/02/2006 20:51

For me it says

King Arthur
Henry VIII's brother who died before he could become king
Music hall ("What are we goner do with Uncle Arfur")
Arthur Scargill
and agree about Uncle Arthur in Dad's Army

Gingerbear · 17/02/2006 20:52

Art Garfunkel?

zippitippitoes · 17/02/2006 20:52

I like it it says

my uncle Arthur

King Arthur

and the Sword in the Stone ...Excalibur

lockets · 17/02/2006 20:52

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn

Caligula · 17/02/2006 20:55

Yeah, Art or Artie is cool

cupcakes · 17/02/2006 21:03

I love the name Arthur. My cousin's ds is called this. They live in France so most of the time it is pronounced Art - ur.

notasheep · 17/02/2006 21:26

ds was going to be Arthur as we live in Wales

Calista · 17/02/2006 21:44

I like old fashioned traditional names, ds's have both got one. But Arthur?

OMG.

Some names just sound too much like old men's/ladies' names!

HappyMumof2 · 17/02/2006 21:45

Message withdrawn

Calista · 17/02/2006 21:46

Why not HMo2? You're entitled to your opinion like anyone else!

harpsichordcarrier · 17/02/2006 21:48

I like it too
I would have liked it for potential ds but rather scuppered that by calling my rabbit Arthur for a joke

HappyMumof2 · 17/02/2006 21:48

Message withdrawn

Ellbell · 17/02/2006 22:45

Got curious about St Elwyn and just googled it. Not many of 'em obviously, as most of the first page is made up of references to the church in my home-town. However, did find this rather lovely story:

Long, long ago in a green and pleasant land called Ireland there lived a man called Elwyn. He was a Bodger and as everybody knows a bodger is an expert in finding uses for things that other people throw away. One day Elwyn was eating his fish for lunch when suddenly he saw a huge, black, weathered, wooden ladle. Getting very wet he went over to the ladle and said, ?What shall I do with this?? Scratching his head he said, ?Maybe it belongs to the giants in Cornwall?? He asked his friends and neighbours who reminded him that St Petroc and others had travelled there & returned with strange tales. So he bravely decided to try and return the ladle to its rightful owner. Surely his ladle must be a giant?s ladle?

He climbed in the ladle and put a sheet as a sail on his home-made boat. (What a good Bodger he was!) That very day he pushed away from the beach and sailed out to sea with his fishing net. On his way there was a great wild storm. He survived two days and two nights without food. The next morning he was so hungry that he used his fishing net to catch some fish. Next he drank some some sea water but then he felt sick because of the salty sea water. He felt terrible. "Uh, I feel sick!" He started to get worried that he would never reach the land of the giants. ?I wish I was till in Ireland being a Bodger,? he thought sadly.

Eight days and eight nights later as he was being sick again, he was stranded on a soft, sandy beach. He was greeted by the village people of Porthleven. They were very surprised to see him in a huge, black, weathered, wooden, ladle. They stopped and stared with amazement. They greeted him with pleasure and treated him with great kindness. They were quietly proud to discover that he was a Bodger. (An expert in finding uses for things that other people throw away.) They thought he would come in very useful to their community. And so he did. He quickly settled in to eat and drink with the people of Porthleven.

After a while, when Elwyn had fixed all there was to be fixed in Porthleven he began to hear about the fabulous beach at Hayle. Unfortunately, it was in a terrible mess! No one had ever explained to the people of Hayle how to comb their beach and re-use and re-cycle the debris. Having heard about the wonders that Elwyn had performed in Porthleven the Hayle villagers sent for him and asked him to help turn their beach into something to be proud of. Elwyn was happy to help and showed the people how to re-use the washed up wood and objects left by shipwrecks.
The people of Hayle were so pleased with him that when they had a new church built they named it after him. You can see the church of St Elwyn in Hayle today.

However, although St Elwyn was pleased to help other Cornish villages his heart belonged in Porthleven where the people had welcomed him when he had first arrived in a huge, black, weathered, wooden ladle. So he returned to Porthleven where the villagers greeted him with chocolates and flowers.

St Elwyn spent the rest of his life being a most fantastic Bodger. That?s an expert in finding uses for things that other people throw away! And we don?t know if the giants of Cornwall got their huge, black, weathered, wooden ladle back.

Researched, written and told by the children of ¾ R Porthleven School Spring Term 2004. Kindly donated by Jean Webster.

PeachyClair · 18/02/2006 11:36

According to teletext, it's from a book they read but they swear not LOTR.

Does the spelling Elwen as opposed to Elwyn make a difference perhaps?

PeachyClair · 18/02/2006 11:38

Found this on a LOTR typr website, I think it may be from the Silmarillion, I KNEW it rang a bell!!!!!!!

In the early Third Age Thranduil and Elsila wedded. They had their two children in the new age's third century. The firstborn was Elwen, a she-elf so like Thranduil that Elves said they must have shared a spirit sometime. From the beginning she exhibited the king's leadership, merry heart, volatile temper, and blond curls. About the time Elwen was old enough to learn swordplay, Legolas was born. He took after Elsila in looks and temperament. Legolas had a sense of equilibrium as deep as a mine, making him both self-possessed and stubborn. He was agreeable more than merry and rarely departed from his calm adjustment to life.

In spite of his congenial temperament, Legolas was called boisterous as a child because he was always getting into scrapes and being summoned to his father's chamber to account for his deeds.