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angryandupset · 30/10/2005 21:01

Need some advice. A friend of a friend is claiming benefits she isn't entitled to, and its really annoying me! Am considering grassing her up...what do you think? Story as follows....

She lives in a council house/flat. Is claiming she is living on her own, but dp is living with her and has done since their dd was born 14 months ago. She is also claiming not to be working, but is working for cash in hand...now, she's pregnant again, and says that when she has the baby she isn't going to put the fathers name on the birth certificate as she thinks it'll looks 'dodgy' and thinks she'll get more money if the social don't know the kids have the same fathers!!!

I am quite frankly shocked by this attitude. I've always hated the fact that they have claimed for things they shouldn't do, as dp and myself struggle on, and work full time to pay for our house, and they end up with more money than us. It just doesn't seem fair. I've let that go over my head, but finding out what she is planning to do, is making me so angry that i just want to shop her.

What do you think?

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motherinferior · 30/10/2005 22:01

Look, you're concerned about what other people do about a birth certificate. You think it's 'immoral'. Morality is not a reason to shop people. Law-breaking, possibly, is.

rickman · 30/10/2005 22:02

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motherinferior · 30/10/2005 22:03

Yep, I'd have been chucked in the clink long before I ever got up the duff.

angryandupset · 30/10/2005 22:07

When asked for my reasons, i said 1 - its illegal and 2 - its immoral.

Two reasons. Not one! Thanks for taking the pee! Was genuinely after help

Must be off!!!!!

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rickman · 30/10/2005 22:13

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hunkermunker · 30/10/2005 22:13

I've never looked at my birth certificate to check who my father is, but if I'd looked at it and not seen his name on there, I'd have wondered (no doubt at some teenage angsty moment in my life where I really didn't need that kind of doubt too!).

I love MN - you can find people willing to defend any kind of shitey behaviour

startingtobehalloweenylover · 30/10/2005 22:16

i agree hunker... i also would hve wondered, and i have seen my birth certificate on MANY occasions

i would also be pretty upset to find out my dad wasn't names because my parents thought they'd get some money out of it

angryandupset · 30/10/2005 22:17

Sorry, yes i read what you said. I think her point is that if they see they have the same fathers theyt might start asking questions thats all. And that it'll look dodgy.

Sorry for my mini mood. Am getting stressed as dp keeps telling me off, for being on here. So i really do have to go.

Thanks to all...

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HRHWickedwaterwitch · 30/10/2005 23:14

I know this is an aside but I was interested to know if I'd remembered this correctly so I just looked up the figures;

From the DWP/National Statistics office webiste: "For the period October 2003 to September 2004 the amount of benefit overpaid due to fraud and error on IS and JSA is estimated to be 6.1% of the total benefit paid" but, get this, 2.6% (£330m) is due to fraud and a similar amount, 2.4% (£300m) is due to official errors, i.e. not claimants' fault.

I'm still no clearer u&a what the root of the problem is. She won't be any better off by not declaring the father on the birth cert and it's irrelevant anyway. Oh well, whatever.

expatinscotland · 30/10/2005 23:18

An Edinburgh woman has just been found guilty of fraud almost exactly as you detailed, angryandupset.

She's going to prison.

As someone who just went through HELL after a computer messed up our tax credits - our appeal was upheld - I wouldn't hesitate to grass someone who is deliberately cheating the system. It makes things REALLY hard on people who are honest.

QueenVictoria · 30/10/2005 23:20

Ooh - expat - would you mind telling me what happened with that - i am having tax credit mares myself.

JoolsToo · 30/10/2005 23:28

personal stories aside, it's everyone's concern if someone is knowingly claiming benefit they are not entitled to and if you know it's happening it should be reported not look for excuses why they are doing it.

expatinscotland · 30/10/2005 23:29

QV, I had to be in nearly weekly contact w/our MP, MSP, a Welfare Rights Advisor w/the Action Group My husband is learning disabled. He was NOT working at the time we were overpaid, even at the time we applied, yet the TCO somehow awarded him - w/no employer - WTC with a severe disability element. They also had him on JSA, which he's never had in his life. We spotted these errors back in November, 2003 and repeatedly sent letters via recorded delivery asking them to correct the errors. Every time, we'd receive two award notices, all w/different amounts on them, but none too vastly different - like by thousands of pounds or that. So we had NO idea what the real amount we were supposed to be getting was.

We wrote and wrote, keeping copies of everything.

I even wrote it the errors on our annual reviews and kept copies of those, too.

Finally, in April, 2005, we get these harshly worded letters from HM Revenues and Customs saying we're being investigated for having defrauded the British government. WTF?!

Luckily, I'd saved every bit of correspondence I'd sent over the years. Sent copies of everything, including bank statements showing tax credit payments, P60s, MY wage slips (DH never worked till June, 2005 after they'd yanked our credits and left us living on £13,000/pa before taxes), etc. to MP, MSP, Adjudicator, Welfare Rights Advisor, etc.

Finally had appeal upheld last week, that the error was theirs and they'd cancelled our 'debt'.

Plus £100 of compensation.

Got CTC back, but now make too much for WTC.

Start writing to your MP, Adjudicator, etc. NOW! Don't take it lying down if it's their fault and you have proof you were honest and did everything above board.

Don't do business w/them on the phone, either. Recorded delivery letters only.

We were made to feel like crooks and common thieves despite being honest. We got into debt trying to keep afloat w/no credits before DH went back to work, argued, were stressed out, etc.

So I really can't suffer people who deliberately cheat.

expatinscotland · 30/10/2005 23:32

I agree, JT!

This costs the taxpayer BILLIONS of £££ every year. Money that could go for something else.

QueenVictoria · 30/10/2005 23:43

Hmm - tough proving it - they overpaid me by 3k and sent so many forms saying so many different values of awards and kept saying we hadnt confirmed salaries. Same this cropped up again this year - said we hadnt confirmed and whilst on the phone to them, looked up on their website (did online return) and told them the figures i had confirmed 3 months prior (they cant check their own website apparently).

They are paying zilch at the moment because of the overpayment that i have to pay back that i didnt want in the first place. Im not working at the mo so i could do with the extra £100 p/mth.

QueenVictoria · 30/10/2005 23:43

Thanks expat.

expatinscotland · 30/10/2005 23:48

CAT me if you want more details.

Fraudsters make me see red, b/c they fuel the stereotype of those who receive benefits being all lazy scroungers who lie and cheat and want nothing more than to sit around and live off others. When the vast majority are people in unfortunate circumstances or working poor who are desperately doing all they can to get by and maybe even better their situation.

It's illegal for a reason. Have no problem shopping them and don't see how doing so is 'sour grapes'.

QueenVictoria · 30/10/2005 23:58

Have CAT'd you expat

Ta.

madmarchflare · 31/10/2005 15:04

Have spoke to someone I know who said that they would get a visit from a normal visiting officer (not even from fraud). My source advises that most will 'ammend' their circumstances fairly quicky as they generally panic when they think someone is on to them. Even if they dont sort themselves out, the DSS are aware of them and it is then their responsibility. One phonecall from you will not mean that anyone goes to prison.

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