How do you talk to people who are into alternative medicine??!

[Pruni]

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also people on this thread are talking about science as if it is some kind of immovable Truth when in fact science is an open minded process of discovery. a few centuries ago scientists thought that the best way to cure illness was blood letting. in a couple of centuries time (if we make it that far) scientists will look on the assertion that the best way to treat cancer is to radiate/poison/and cut out the over reproducing cells in the same way as we do the assertion that the earth is flat. real scientists certainly don't dismiss things that they don't understand yet.

I don't think that anyone would be daft enough to think that conventional medicine isn't about money. But neither is complimentary medicine. In the UK it is a Billion pound indusrt. Granted individual therapists may well not be money driven, but the same can be said of good GPs

Mind you Sophiable my dh is still around 11 years after having his tumor cut out and being 'poisoned'! . 30 years ago he might well have died.

Now I am hoping that they can eventualy cure is totaly unrealted leukemia.

ds1 has very little understanding of body language although responds well to touch. IN his case though I a) didn't expect it to work and b)gave the remedy about5 hours before the situation I wanted to effect.

See what you mean.

How is he atm Jimjams? is the moon thing still a problem?

hmb, i'm not saying that cancer therapies don't work, just that may be in the future they will be seen as unsophisticated and draconian! i hope so to btw re the leukemia (sp)

oh god it's full moon tonight isn't it.

We are lucky it is a 'slow' form and may take 15 years or so to have a significant effect. I'm hoping for the development of some 'magic bullets' by then! He also has a bone marrow match in his brother which is even lucker....ever so glad MIL had 4 kids!

OK will try to explain waht happened. Byut have ds3 grabbing the mouse and ds1 sounding a bit strange so....

Anyway after ds2 was born ds1 reacted very very badly. Before his birth he would go to bed very well. We'd say night, put his gate up and he'd be perfectly relaxed. Shortly after ds2 was born he started screaming every time he went to bed. We would put him to bed at 7 and he would scream and headbang until midnight. He would then fall asleep sobbing and wake up again screaming about 3am. If we tried to comfort him we would be attacked.

After about 3 weeks of this I was getting fairly desperate. I bought a book about children and complementary medicine looking for things like oils thatr might relax him. Anyway had a glance at autism- he wasn't diagnosed- bit was obviously going to be (we were told that 2 weeks after ds2's birth). UNder autism is had a few homeopathic suggestions (and you must see a homeopath as its complicated warning). Anyway one of the remedies was silica- for a child who retreats and counts to himself. One of the things that came on a lot when ds2 was born was obsessive counting. So I wandered down to Neil's Yard and bought some silica.

That afternoon (about 2pm- left time after lunch) I have the silica. Bedtime. Said night night- brqced myself for the screaming and ds1 said "aye aye" and climbed into bed and went to sleep (!) Then woke at 3am screaming.

Next day didn't give anything (I had read that you always give the minimum). That night said goodnight- screaming started carried on until midnight. As soon as the screaming started I gave another silica. That night went to sleep at midnight - didn't wake up screaming at 3am.

So the next day I gave silica at 2pm and 7pm - no screaming- straight to sleep and slept all night.

Repeated for a few more days.

Sorted.

Converted.

sophable - it will be at around 1742 apparently

Oh and how have the holidays gone? Did you get the help you were hopeng for?

dont know why you are so small minded
homeopathy may be hard to get your head round how it works but the fact is that it can work really well as can other 'alternative treatments'
they are not all phoney and you dont need to believe in atlantians to use them !
think it is shame that you missing out on some really good stuff by writing off the whole of field of alternative medicine-but thats your choice

in my world it would be 'god how do i talk to someone who is as cynical as you'

no offence intended !

Sorry, but was that directed at me?
If so, what on earth I have said to made you repond like that?

no sorry dont be para it was directed at pruni who started the thread sorry i should have addressed the post WHOOPS!

I have this problem, too, particularly with homeopathy (how do you rinse out the tubes?). I will try some alternative stuff, if there's no obvious risk, but I'm quite skeptical. And I won't do homeopathy, thanks partly to an experience with a homeopathic vet, and partly to having read up on it a bit.

And I have many friends who believe in alternative therapy. I just nod and say "hmmm". If they suggest I use homeopathy, I say "I don't do homeopathy." I don't get into an argument, because frankly, if it's working for them, and it is the placebo effect, then why should I break it?

ps pruni i look up my own homeopathic treatment in aa book and the tablets cost #5 (dont always get right remedy first time) or go to a local store where the qualified homeopath gives her advice for free

sorry again hmb !!

hmb, you are always a total pleasure on these threads as you are cynical, non-believer but never git like about it! always a joy to argue the toss with you

Oooh Luna - you wrote my response!! I wasn't sure if I was just overly hormonal so I thought I'd stay out of it!

Eh, and anyway, if that watch-stopping thing is true, then homeopathy really wouldn't work for me - the hands on my watches always stick together.

totally accept that it's not for you nqc, but how would you explain a placebo effect on a baby or preverbal toddler???

sophable - you make a good point about science. It does move and change. But the scientific method doesn't change - it's a method that lets us evaluate new ideas and find better ones. Much of alternative medicine doesn't seem to have this sort of method, so it stays the same, from what I know.

homeopathy stopped my ds' (2) contact exzema which he had for 2 months one tablet (think it was sulpur) stopped him itching at night and it was all gone within 2 weeks and has never come back
try explaining the placebo effect to a 2 year old
ive seen it work so many times that i know it is more than coincidence and i know you lot of cynics are really missing out on something fantastic especially as a medicine system for children

I would explain it by a) chance: kids (and adults) do heal themselves. If the healing happens close to when when medicine is given, then we'll think the medicine did it. b) picking up on adult moods. If we think we've fixed it, we'll relax, and that will help our kids get better.

I'm more open-minded about any alternative thing than I am about homeopathy. I'm willing to accept accupuncture or herbalism working (although I fear undocumented side effects etc).

Damn I'm losing my Old Git persona then!!

OK if this is just for fun, and agreeing that we will all still have our own views at the end!

If homeopathy does work and the less the more potent, why isn't ordinary water a homoepathic treatment for, say, hayfever, since it will have been in contact with small amounts of pollen?

heres a hormonal response flamesparrow
i think that people who dont believe in alternative therapies /homeopathy are a bunch of berks fullstop

know where did i put that flakjacket !!!!

runs for cover (literally)