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*TRIGGER WARNING** - upsetting news article about 9month old death at nursery

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someoneanyoneeveryone · 19/04/2024 20:35

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/18/baby-told-stop-whingeing-alleged-killer-stockport-nursery

i am so appalled to read this
i cant imagine what the poor parents are going through but it’s making me very fearful to leave my son at nursery (he’s 10months and I have to go back to work soon).

my heart breaks
RIP GENEVIEVE 🤍

Baby told to ‘stop your whingeing’ by alleged killer at Stockport nursery | UK news | The Guardian

Nursery worker Kate Roughley, 37, accused of manslaughter over death of Genevieve Meehan in May 2022

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/18/baby-told-stop-whingeing-alleged-killer-stockport-nursery

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Nodancingshoes · 24/04/2024 21:52

Omg I hadn't heard of this story before now. Absolutely shocking. I would reassure parents that this kind of behaviour is most definitely NOT normal in nurseries, not any that I've ever worked in anyway. We have a baby room that has 6 babies in it and 2 staff. They love those babies like they were their own.

HadEnough11 · 26/04/2024 18:49

I don't want to scare anyone but actually, the way this nursery nurse (can't even give her that title as she doesnt deserve it) spoke to the child is very common. I am a nursery nurse with 20 years experience in childcare, worked in over 10 nurseries. In a good number of them, staff were always shouting with no patience with the kids. Of course they are not all like that but the fact this story didn't shock me says it all.
My heart breaks for this child and her family. The fact she went in poorly so was already vulnerable and then didn't get any compassion or patience from her so called carer is just unbearable to me.

KeyboardWhinger · 26/04/2024 22:01

HadEnough11 · 26/04/2024 18:49

I don't want to scare anyone but actually, the way this nursery nurse (can't even give her that title as she doesnt deserve it) spoke to the child is very common. I am a nursery nurse with 20 years experience in childcare, worked in over 10 nurseries. In a good number of them, staff were always shouting with no patience with the kids. Of course they are not all like that but the fact this story didn't shock me says it all.
My heart breaks for this child and her family. The fact she went in poorly so was already vulnerable and then didn't get any compassion or patience from her so called carer is just unbearable to me.

That’s really sad to hear. My experience has been that if my children have been demanding theyve been sent home. I’m not saying that it doesn’t happen, just that nursery don’t seem to tolerate whingey days from small babies IME.

Strapping a child down is really concerning. I hope you’ve never seen that.

HadEnough11 · 27/04/2024 13:30

Never seen a baby strapped down to sleep. That would be instantly reported by me if I ever did see something like that.
But when reading through the CCTV footage and the way the baby was spoken to, that sadly isn't unfamiliar in what I have seen. 😞

alongwaytobed · 27/04/2024 16:43

Some nurseries are clearly awful

Clawdy · 28/04/2024 11:42

I'm surprised other staff members didn't check up on the little girl.

Mysterian · 28/04/2024 16:53

@Clawdy "at one point" there was no other staff. Horrific. I've been in some terrible nurseries but this seems a whole new level of bad.

caffelattetogo · 29/04/2024 22:53

The poor girl clearly wasn't well and the staff should have sent her home when she was so upset. The idea that the staff could be angry with a poorly baby for crying is heartbreaking.

MissFrumpy · 20/05/2024 15:39

I personally don't think I could countenance leaving a 9-month old DC in the care of a stranger at that age. While I am sure there are plenty of nursery staff who are caring and good at their jobs, all it takes it one person to be having a bad day or them taking a dislike to your DC for horrific consequences to result. What made this case especially shocking was that Miss Roughley had 17 years of experience and was in charge of looking after the babies in this nursery. I have no idea how she lasted in the job for so long if she couldn't cope with a baby doing what lots of babies do. If it had been a teenage girl on minimum wage who had just started the job (and I know of staff working in some nurseries who fit that description) then maybe it wouldn't have been as much of a surprise. She 35 and in a senior role with 17 years experience though.

Also I have to say Roughley shouldn't have been looking after 10 babies on her own. That doesn't justify her disgraceful actions, but it's simply too much of a workload for one person. The ratio was supposed to be one staff member for every three babies being cared for. The trial reporting has said that at one point there was one staff member looking after 16 babies, which is appalling. It wouldn't surprise me at all if understaffing at nurseries is a lot more common than people know. Just a terrible tragedy all around.

KeyboardWhinger · 20/05/2024 15:46

It’s disgraceful that a nursery was operating at these ratios at all.

MuskerHounds · 20/05/2024 15:53

KeyboardWhinger · 20/05/2024 15:46

It’s disgraceful that a nursery was operating at these ratios at all.

It is. There was a nursery near me that was closed down on the day it was inspected because it didn't have enough staff.

It's crazy that nursery staff are so under valued and paid so little.

Today, the bean bag was described as a 'bean bag bed' and they said the baby was in a 'harness'. I can't imagine what this could be.

KeyboardWhinger · 20/05/2024 15:57

MuskerHounds · 20/05/2024 15:53

It is. There was a nursery near me that was closed down on the day it was inspected because it didn't have enough staff.

It's crazy that nursery staff are so under valued and paid so little.

Today, the bean bag was described as a 'bean bag bed' and they said the baby was in a 'harness'. I can't imagine what this could be.

Yes I suspect this was this workers method and on this occasion it backfired. I bet in all her years she has done this many times. Why would they even own a strap or a harness?

It’s frightening that with all her years of experience she was still content operating on those ratios. She MUST have known better and had to lie herself out of trouble on many occasions.

CallmePaul · 20/05/2024 22:22

Horrible this, heard it on the radio today, got me really upset, if it was my sprog I'd I think like a lot of dad's I would have saved the taxpayers her manslaughter trial costs tho, but I'd have had one certainly.

MuskerHounds · 20/05/2024 22:34

I've been looking up,on the internet about the beanbag beds and it looks like they are inbuilt, the harnesses. Like on a bouncer.

5475878237NC · 20/05/2024 22:43

Absolutely horrific. The poor baby and her parents. I just can't cope with the idea this woman won't spend her whole life in prison. It seems so wrong.

entiawest · 21/05/2024 12:07

This is a terrible case. Any ill treatment or neglect of a baby is absolutely unforgivable.

There are aspects of the case that confuse me though. I don't understand how the nursery owners and the management haven't been charged. I'm also confused about the beanbag bed. As a pp said, these beanbag beds are sold for babies - why is this allowed if they're not safe?

Ive also read in the trial reports that the child was put to sleep on her side not face down and this was because she had a cough and side rather than on her back was considered better....

Manslaughter is manslaughter, no excuses for that but I just don't understand why there weren't more people on trial if the circumstances (including staffing levels) were bigger than just one individual behaving in a an unsafe and uncaring way

RitzyMcFee · 21/05/2024 12:56

The baby was strapped in face down though. Presumably that's not how they are supposed to be used. I've never seen one but looking at them on Amazon they have straps like a car seat or a bouncer. I'd the baby was swaddled as well she must have been sort of jammed in the harness.

entiawest · 21/05/2024 13:36

Some of the trial reports say she was put to sleep on her side not face down, due to have a cough, that's what's confusing. Also the fact that there are actual bean bag beds designed for babies which i never knew. I assumed at first it was just an ordinary bean bag but it sounds like something which the nursery routinely used when all the cots were full. I don't understand why the owners and management weren't charged since the practices there seemed so unsafe.

The mistreatment/ neglect by KR personally is of course appalling and she's rightly been convicted - but why weren't others in the dock too?

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MissHavershamReturns · 22/05/2024 22:17

This is from the government’s website and shows the full sentencing by the judge today. It contains the court’s full explanation of what happened on the day this poor little one died and is horrific to read https://www.judiciary.uk/judgments/r-v-kate-roughley/

R -v- Kate Roughley - Courts and Tribunals Judiciary

In the Crown Court at Manchester 22 May 2024 Between: The King -v- Kate Roughley Sentencing remarks of The Honourable Mrs Justice Ellenbogen DBE

https://www.judiciary.uk/judgments/r-v-kate-roughley/

MissHavershamReturns · 22/05/2024 22:22

“During the afternoon of 9 May, you put Genevieve down to sleep on a beanbag, I am satisfied — to the criminal standard — face-down, having first tightly swaddled her, so that her ability to move was severely restricted. You fastened her into a harness, further restricting her ability to move, and placed a blanket over her which at least partially covered her head. As the harrowing video and audio CCTV footage of that day shows, you left Genevieve in that position, carrying out only the most cursory and infrequent of checks, for over ninety minutes, during which time her increasing distress was readily apparent, both visibly and audibly. She can be seen desperately moving her lower body, and heard crying and coughing, in her ultimately futile struggle to breathe.

In so doing, and inevitably given your acts, she sank further into the soft and damp surface of the beanbag, became exhausted and overheated, and re-
breathed the increasingly Oxygen-depleted air around her face. I am certain that every person in this courtroom who watched the footage was willing you to pick her up, and remove her from the danger in which you had placed her, knowing, of course, that you
would not. Genevieve’s final movement was at 14:24 that afternoon. At 15:12, you
raised the alarm, having discovered that she had stopped breathing. Subsequent
aRempts to resuscitate her did not succeed and she was pronounced dead at Stepping Hill Hospital, at 16:09. The cause of death was later rectified by Dr Lumb to have been the combination of asphyxia and pathophysiological stress imparted by an unsafe sleeping environment.”

MissHavershamReturns · 22/05/2024 22:22

“As an NVQ Level 3-qualified nursery worker, you had been trained in safe sleep practices for babies. At the time of Genevieve’s death, you were 35 years old and had acquired 17 years of
experience in caring for very young children, all but a few weeks of which whilst working at Tiny Toes nursery. By 9 May 2022, you had been working in the Baby Room for over two years, yet you failed to adhere to any of the key requirements of safe
sleep practice, with the tragic consequences which I have described.”

MissHavershamReturns · 22/05/2024 22:25

“At 13:28 that afternoon, you told another colleague, ‘Rather just put her on the
beanbag, then I’m not wasting a cot.’ Genevieve was then placed on the beanbag at around 13:35. You are seen to have checked her at 14:09, but, notwithstanding her kicking, wriggling, the arching of her back and her tears, left her there. At 14:10, Genevieve coughed for several seconds. You bent over her and placed a blanket over her head. Over the next few minutes, she continued to cry, to cough and to raise her legs, bottom and head. Her crying intensified and acquired a grunting tone, her distressed body movements continued. Yet, even then, you did not approach her, pick her up, or show any concern for her welfare. You left her to die. “

FanofLeaves · 23/05/2024 08:49

Every time I think I’ve read the worst detail out comes something else. Putting a blanket over her head ffs.