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Is it ok for a Christian to say 'God Bless' to a Muslim?

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thankyouforthedayz · 10/11/2024 07:52

I'm a Christian and I feel I have more in common spiritually with other people of faith (particularly other People of the Book ie Abrahamic faiths) than people who have no or nominal faith. I will often say "God bless" (ie God Bless you") or "Gods hand is on X " to Christian friends/family, but would Muslim people be offended if I said this to them? I believe there is one God but different paths. I wonder if I should revert, as I whilst I love Jesus Christ as a prophet, a spiritual man committed to social justice in a time when people of faith were oppressed by pagans (Romans) I find it hard to believe the literal truth of the Virgin Birth and Resurrection (though I believe in them as powerful metaphors).
I work in the NHS with lots of Muslim colleagues. I have asked, and she was so kind and accepting and said she felt happy for me to say it, but I think she was speaking as a kind friend rather than theologically.

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Scirocco · 16/11/2024 20:47

DieStrassensindimmernass · 16/11/2024 16:47

Respecting freedom means not using exclusionary language.

How is the content of people's non-work-related personal interaction exclusionary in this context?

Nobody is imposing anything on you, or taking anything away from you, by using what is a common phrase in the culture of the speakers in a conversation that does not include you. We aren't talking here about hate speech, or workplace bullying, or criminal activity. A casual "God bless" between two people is part of normal conversation for millions of people

Exclusionary language usually refers to things more along the lines of hate speech or bullying. If someone were to bully or exclude you on the basis of your own beliefs, that would be unacceptable - so if someone made intentional religious references aimed at you despite you having advised them that it caused you distress, that would be something to take to line managers/HR. Exclusionary language doesn't cover what would be considered a normal, commonly used phrase within private conversations, even if the conversation happens in an office or other place of work.

If you've experienced bullying or isolation in your workplace due to your own beliefs, that's not ok, and I'm sure many people here would be able to give advice and support around that (Muslims experience a lot of discrimination and exclusion, including at work, sadly). A blanket policing of what people can and can't say in private interactions even in the workplace, isn't going to fit with UK law though, so it isn't going to happen.

DieStrassensindimmernass · 16/11/2024 21:35

Scirocco · 16/11/2024 20:47

How is the content of people's non-work-related personal interaction exclusionary in this context?

Nobody is imposing anything on you, or taking anything away from you, by using what is a common phrase in the culture of the speakers in a conversation that does not include you. We aren't talking here about hate speech, or workplace bullying, or criminal activity. A casual "God bless" between two people is part of normal conversation for millions of people

Exclusionary language usually refers to things more along the lines of hate speech or bullying. If someone were to bully or exclude you on the basis of your own beliefs, that would be unacceptable - so if someone made intentional religious references aimed at you despite you having advised them that it caused you distress, that would be something to take to line managers/HR. Exclusionary language doesn't cover what would be considered a normal, commonly used phrase within private conversations, even if the conversation happens in an office or other place of work.

If you've experienced bullying or isolation in your workplace due to your own beliefs, that's not ok, and I'm sure many people here would be able to give advice and support around that (Muslims experience a lot of discrimination and exclusion, including at work, sadly). A blanket policing of what people can and can't say in private interactions even in the workplace, isn't going to fit with UK law though, so it isn't going to happen.

Edited

Again, I'm referring to a secular work environment, where people other than muslims and christians are also employed.
I'm not referring to private, out of work time, interactions. The OP mentioned working for the NHS.

Scirocco · 16/11/2024 22:11

DieStrassensindimmernass · 16/11/2024 21:35

Again, I'm referring to a secular work environment, where people other than muslims and christians are also employed.
I'm not referring to private, out of work time, interactions. The OP mentioned working for the NHS.

NHS HR doesn't care if people say 'God' in interactions with friendly colleagues. Trust me, far more controversial things are said on a regular basis and don't get so much as a raised eyebrow.

DieStrassensindimmernass · 17/11/2024 04:51

Scirocco · 16/11/2024 22:11

NHS HR doesn't care if people say 'God' in interactions with friendly colleagues. Trust me, far more controversial things are said on a regular basis and don't get so much as a raised eyebrow.

We are never going to agree on this, none of your comments have altered my feelings one bit, and I suspect mine haven't altered yours either. I remain firmly of the belief that religious language doesn't belong in the workplace, while respecting that folk are completely entitled to be religious in their own time and to ask for reasonable accommodations (eg time off for a significant religious event) at work.
I don't see amy point in any more back and forth arguing and wish you well.

ForPeaceSake · 17/11/2024 13:30

Good bye.
[16th century contraction].

UrsulaLongshanksTheFlamingo · 15/02/2025 19:08

thankyouforthedayz · 10/11/2024 08:07

@sanityisamyth to a female, Muslim colleague in a break who was sharing a personal family difficulty. We have often talked about faith. My question is to Muslim women.

If this is the context, then I don't see the problem. You'd spoken about faith, and she was going through a tough time. Of course it was ok- she was kind about it, yes? OK then.

It depends on the circumstances. Defer to what you know about the person. If in doubt, don't say it.

As an aside, and as an ex-Christian, I have no problem with "Bless you!" after I sneeze. It's traditional, I think, and isn't meant literally. But someone saying "god bless you" is different, more personal, and sounds like it's meant literally. I'd let it go, but hope the person didn't keep saying it to me because I'd find it overfamiliar and a tad creepy.

MixedBananas · 28/02/2025 16:45

As a practicing Muslim. There is not harm in it. Even if you said our greetings we will return it to you also.
God Bless is what we say: Allah Bareek Feek/i/oum depending on who female/male/group etc. And we would respond Ameen. It is a type of prayer and protection.
When we see someone and they have something nice e.g hair, clothes, baby we say Allah Bareek Feek. God bless you. And they respond Ameen.

I hope this helped. I find it wonderful to grow a friendship with other people of the book especially those that are practicing.

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