Webchat with Daisy Goodwin, lunchtime, Tues 23 June

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As requested and promised, Daisy has accepted our invite and is coming on next Tuesday (exact time to be confirmed, but probably around 1pm). Get there early to bag your place.

In reply to the comment about maternity nurses. They don't have to have a qualification, but they do need good references. As I said before, we spoke to four mothers who had used her and were very happy with her.
The mothers who used her in the show both wanted a routine for their babies, one had twins and the other had had real problems the first time. Bothe parents were happy with results .

I think there are as many concerns about co sleeping as there are about leaving a baby unattended in a cot, but this has not been a subject for debate.

I think it's worth reminding people that Silver River got several emails from NCT and other agencies and NGOs - several - expressing serious reservations about the concept, from an infant wellbeing point of view, before any filming was done. NCT declined to take part for that reason. Silver River were warned of the possible harm that could be done.

"...there had been a move towards getting your baby into a routine cf Gina Ford which is based on Truby King"

I should point out that Gina Ford would probably be rather horrified by this. Verity's methods were based on King's but Ford's are not. They may have some things in common but Ford is not trying to re-package King for modern mothers!

And it is worth noting that Ford described Verity's methods as "child abuse" in an open letter to the NSPCC. This shows that the spectrum shown on BUB was really NOT a good reflection of current childcare practice, if we are claiming that Ford's methods are at one end of that spectrum. Verity's methods were way off the scale.

In reply to the people who are using the term 'child abuse' in relation to BUB. I think you should consider the way you use that term.

Not been a subject for debate?

This place would make a very good docu - and it has tons of footagewww.dur.ac.uk/sleep.lab/

Yes loads of interesting questions here. I thought tiktoks was good too. I don't think that article did say - women who can't breastfeed should be supported.

Nobody would deny that. Certainly not on MN!

The article suggested that not being able to breastfeed forced one woman to kill herself. And from there you extrapolated a whole argument. Was a bit weak no?

Without any suggestion that this might not in fact have been the WHOLE truth.

References from mothers are important, but so is the integrity and honesty of the person offering her 'methods'...someone who lies about their qualifications cannot be suitable, surely? Did you not regret this, Daisy?

I might add that CV also told a Sunday newspaper how she s***d Mick Jagger on the kitchen counter, when employed as a nanny to look after Gabriel, when Jerry was in the next room. Would this not have been relevant to her qualifications?

in reply to Slug:
Is the Daily Mail woman hating? I can't decide. It certainly has more coverage of feamle issues than any other newspaper.

I was suprised that they published my @why are women so horrible to each other@ article but pleased as it has a big readership. I think women are very hard on each other.

great question slug.

Daisy

you seem very defensive.

Daisy - is it true that all the Mums continued with their chosen methods after the cameras stopped filming? If that's the case, presumably it proved the point that everyone is different and different methods work for different people / children?

Daisy, can you please answer the question below, did you ask any of the well known advocates of routine to be involved with the programme, if not, why ? Why bring in someone like Claire Verity who was more famous for having sex with Mick Jagger and running a night club, than her parenting methods ? Some people may feel you exploited a woman who was keen for fame, is this true ?

"Why did you use Claire Verity who no one had heard of, instead of Jo Tantum, Jo Frost or Gina Ford who have all written books about routine based methods that are used today ?"

"I think there are as many concerns about co sleeping as there are about leaving a baby unattended in a cot".

That's rather disingenuous - one can't really dismiss the differences as being between sleep-management methods..

And while there might have been questions raised about the safety of the former, but no-one has accused it being an abusive philosophy, I don't think? And unless anyone warned you that they would not take part if you showed co-sleeping, then it's not really to the point.

ahundredtimes, you said "The article suggested that not being able to breastfeed forced one woman to kill herself. And from there you extrapolated a whole argument. Was a bit weak no?"

It was worse than that. She suggested that it wasn't just this mother's (presumed) wish to breastfeed that caused her death, but 'pressure to breastfeed' by other people ...no evidence at all for either, by the way.

pmsl

I'm not sure that repeating a summary of BUB constitutes a "web chat"....

Let's face it, the TV series was meant to be controversial because that is what pulled in the viewers.

Same with the DM article. We're still talking about it today, which is what she wanted, right Daisy?

Journalists know which buttons to press, and often no publicity is bad publicity. She knew the series would cause a stink, that's why they did it. There is no real concern for the participants of that programme.

To be fair to Daisy, I think it's likely Silver River did ask other 'routine fans' to be involved. But they may have declined or not been quite what the production team was looking for. They will have selected CV, I think.

who was it that she shagged though old verity = some ageing rock star

in reply to a hundred times
sorry I am being slow to reply but you are all asking some pretty fierce question and to respond adequately takes a bit of time.

I do regret using that poor woman's death as a peg, but I don't regret questioning the idea that breastfeeding is all important.
I think breastfeeding counsellors can be really helpful but somewomen just can't get it to work.

Thanks Phono. Pleased to be here. I like a bit of healthy debate. Debate good, hysteria bad.

that's because we are feisty and fierce Daisy!

But fobbing people off with an airy wave of the hand isn't really a frank and full discussion is it? You must have known what you were letting yourself in for, surely?