Facebook Live about talking to kids about staying safe from abuse with NSPCC

[RachelMumsnet]

We’re running a facebook live with NSPCC about talking to kids about staying safe from abuse. The NSPCC have developed programme called Speak out. Stay safe delivered in primary schools across the UK. Volunteers visit schools where they run workshops and assemblies to teach children how to stay safe from abuse and what to do if they have any concerns. The NSPCC are also running a campaign called PANTS that teaches parents how to talk to young children about staying safe from sexual abuse in an age appropriate and non-scary way.

Lidl say: "'Last year Lidl UK employees voted to make the NSPCC their new national charity partner for a three year period. During this period, this partnership will aim to raise £3 million to keep 1 million primary school children safe through the NSPCC’s Speak out. Stay safe programme. This vital programme helps to empower a generation of children with the knowledge they need to stay safe. With at least 2 children in the average primary school class having suffered abuse or neglect, it’s vital that the NSPCC has the resources to visit primary schools across the UK to teach children that abuse is never OK."

Join the NSPCC live next week on Thursday 30 August at 12.30pm on Mumsnet Facebook or post up a question on this thread that we will put to the NSPCC during the live stream. We’ll link to the stream next week on this thread.

The NSPCC doesn’t consider there to be specific child protection concerns in relation to trans-inclusive policies

As people have said, this is a matter of established fact, whatever you "consider". "Trans inclusive policies" drawn up by trans organisations are in direct conflict with safeguarding principles. Not good enough, NSPCC and we're not going to let it drop.

I think @sparticusautisticus was archiving this thread. Definitely needs to go to the press.

There are some interesting questions to be answered here.

I would like to know their thoughts on how to counter the rapidly changing practices of online grooming.

My question and follow-up question related specifically to the serious warnings given by two respected experts about the risk of exploitation of gender self-id policies by some dangerous paedophiles and sex-offenders.

If the NSPCC don't feel able to discuss the issues here, I sincerely hope they will at least have discussions with Claude Knight and Francis Crook as a matter of urgency.

Thank you Rachel.

My question was on topic. Perhaps you could put it to NSPCC for the video you mentioned.

From the NSPCC underwear rule:

Your body belongs to you. No-one should ever make you do things that make you feel embarrassed or uncomfortable.
No means no and you always have the right to say “no’. You’re in control of your body and the most important thing is how YOU feel. If you want to say ‘NO’, it’s your choice.

Guidelines produced for schools in Scotland (approved by Scotgov and endorsed by children’s orgs) recommend that male bodied children be allowed to share sleeping accommodation, toilets and changing rooms with girls.

If any girl or her parents feel uncomfortable, embarrassed or distressed by this, and “say NO” (as NSPCC encourage, above), the first response recommended by the guidelines is to remind them of “inclusion, equality and respect”.

Do he NSPCC consider that this response, particularly the implication that saying NO is antithetical to respect, aligns with the principles of the underwear rule?

I don’t imagine NSPCC will be working with Mumsnet again any time soon if they can’t get a grip on this issue.

Sorry to be thick Spartacus but not sure how to save thread as PDF to iBooks? Have gone to "share" but can't see anything.

Thank you Lemonjello.

Let's just bold this shall we in all its stark glory:

NSPCC:

Your body belongs to you. No-one should ever make you do things that make you feel embarrassed or uncomfortable.

No means no and you always have the right to say “no’. You’re in control of your body and the most important thing is how YOU feel. If you want to say ‘NO’, it’s your choice.

Also NSPCC:

The NSPCC doesn’t consider there to be specific child protection concerns in relation to trans-inclusive policies

Hmmm.

Violating girls' boundaries is a child protection concern in and of itself.

I had questions about online grooming that weren't about Trans -so what should children do, what should schools do, what should parents do. What games and things were a problem.

But I am genuinely shocked and frightened by the dismissal of these questions. Particularly Datuns.

That last was me, in case of confusion that it was the good old NSPCC and their cognitive dissonance.

I just click share and one of the options is save PDF to iBooks. Then you click on it and it does. Don’t know why that’s not happening for you.

The NSPCC doesn’t consider there to be specific child protection concerns in relation to trans-inclusive policies. Any space and activity involving children should have strong safeguarding policies in place, with a proper risk assessment to minimise the risks to all children involved.

Perhaps NSPCC could mention this part to Girl Guides who have told me, in writing, that they are prohibited from completing the risk assessments they would use for male children on residential trips if the male child identifies as trans, because this would be a breach of the Equality Act.

My question along with most I've seen was on topic (although mine was late.)

How do I give my children - girls - the ability to name their bodies if being a girl doesn't necessarily mean they have vulva, vagina, clitoris, breasts?

No means no, unless it's being seen in vulnerable situations by an intact male who "ids as female". No means no unless you might hurt someone's feelings. No means no unless saying no is rude or exclusionary.

No one should ever make you do things that make you feel embarrassed or uncomfortable, but the NSPCC want to codify into law what is essentially a lie that males can become females on their say so. Right-o. But, just fyi, having to lie because of "feelings" makes me feel very fucking uncomfortable, you right-on, woke, cookie chasing fuckers.

The NSPCC doesn’t consider there to be specific child protection concerns in relation to trans-inclusive policies. Any space and activity involving children should have strong safeguarding policies in place, with a proper risk assessment to minimise the risks to all children involved.

I'd love to know how a policy of:
'We let anyone in on their say so and not tell anyone' sits totally comfortably with 'safeguarding'.

What a bunch of fucking hypocrites.

If you don't understand BASIC FUCKING SAFEGUARDING you should FUCKING RESIGN and let some people with some fucking knowledge of BASIC SAFEGUARDING who are not scared of AGGRESSIVE MEN take over.

Fuck me sideways.

NSPCC, you absolute cowards.

Excellent questions. I wish I'd asked every one so I wont add owt.

I think the NSPCC have been absolutely clear on where they stand. Er. Not with children apparently.

I'm absolutely furious about all of this. Children are being massively failed. When is anyone going to start listening!!!

I am in awe of you lot. Really.

I am in awe of you lot. Really.

Likewise.

Even the organisation supposedly set up to safeguard children cant see what a massive safeguarding issue this could potentially be.

Trans children are NOT greater risk of any kind of harm than GIRLS!!!

I want to speak to Ester Rantzen directly, here, live. She must be mortified by what ChildLine has become.

We were promised a proper discussion with NSPCC - these are our safeguarding concerns.

FOI requests to police forces and the DBS service already reveal this whole area is a shambles. You know it is!!!

Not good enough NSPCC, expect headlines.

You cannot keep children safe AND endorse gender ID. Not possible. Shame on you.

Well, that statement is now a matter of public record.

Are we speaking in tongues?! Do they genuinely not understand that our pressing questions are regarding people who will abuse the self ID changes, not about the inclusion \ exclusion of trans people?

Surely they are the single most obvious organisation to give sound, clear advice on how children and vulnerable young adults can stay safe and speak up if they feel scared in a mixed sex environment?

I wouldn’t actually mind if they frame their advice on how best to deal with this whilst centering the person presenting as trans. To date, I haven’t seen ANY examples of speech or actions that a child could be given to deal with these situations safely.