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Louisa Young on alcoholism in the family: "Just because you're strong, don't mean it's easy"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 10/07/2018 17:08

I’m lucky enough to have the instinct which says ‘that’s enough’ after a glass or two. My clever, gorgeous, successful, kind fiancé lacked that. He broke his foot, had a psychotic episode, and fell into a coma before truly accepting that drink was the problem. We got together on a project of sobriety - and he did sober up. AA took a long, long time, but he emerged a positive, grateful, and determined, if disabled, man. Then, two years on, he was diagnosed with throat cancer caused by alcoholism. He died sober, after five sober years.

Much as I resisted it, being with him was like a full-time job. Alcoholism is known as the Family Illness because it expands beyond the person who has it, and gets its hooks into everyone who loves them. It fills parents, siblings, partners and children with doubt and fear and shame and unearned guilt, making them think it’s their fault and their responsibility to solve the problem. And it is an illness - it has known symptoms, a predictable course, it damages both the body and the mind, it requires medical attention, it can kill. Don't let anyone tell you it’s a moral failing or a lack of willpower.

Do you think someone in your family is drinking too much, too often? Is it causing trouble? Is it your partner? Your child? You? When they pass out yet again or make another scene - is that alcoholism? We see the clues but we so want it not to be true that we can’t see the woods for the trees, and become blind to those indications. Bear in mind that it’s not what you drink, or how much you drink. It’s why you drink and what it does to you.

Some people get rat-arsed from time to time, but they don't ruin their life as a result; they don't make their children fear them or their partner hate them. Other people have a beer or two and take on a different personality: often arrogant and argumentative, frequently glassy-eyed and comatose; sometimes violent and aggressive; almost always incapable of stopping once they’ve started.

Drinking alcohol is normalised in Western societies and people who don't drink are often treated as bores or weirdos. Say no at prosecco o’clock and you get: ‘Are you pregnant then?’, ‘Oh, can you not drink?’, ‘Oh, go on!’ Sometimes, the whole world seems made up of people with alcohol problems who can’t bear it when someone chooses not to join in.

When drinking itself is so normalised, it’s no great leap to normalising alcoholic behaviour: the defensiveness when people who love them try to talk about it, the bravado, the blaming everyone else, the not listening, the not taking responsibility, the not being there, physically, emotionally or domestically. This is followed by the hangover days, the loss of memory, crashing the car, losing the job, and always drinking more, in a futile attempt to get past the shame. It is a dismal merry-go-round.

The family members don’t recognise it at first, and almost get used to it in a weird way. They slip into acceptance, while feeling they should be able to do something about it. It’s bad enough for adults, but for children it becomes a very damaging shadow under which they cannot grow straight. For parents looking at their drunk offspring, it’s harder still not to feel that you should have been able to stop this from happening. That it’s your fault.

But it’s not. Don’t blame yourself for its existence, or for the fact you can’t cure an illness with love. You have to get past that, and the sooner the better. Because then you can get help.

So, if we love an alcoholic in our family, what are we meant to do? It’s such terrible, complex territory. Nobody wants to go there. But it’s so hard to desert family who are so clearly in need of help. You love them. You're tied in. But here’s one thing - in the words of the song, ‘just because you’re strong don’t mean it’s easy’. There is no shame in seeking help for illness. It’s necessary.

Talk without shame. Go to the GP. Go to AlAnon. Get on the support threads here on Mumsnet. Google ClubSoda. Know that you didn't cause it, can’t change it, can’t cure it. Get help for yourself. Lead by example.

And then, if and when they come to recognise their condition and get help, you need to prepare for whatever it was they were drinking to block out.

Louisa Young is the author of You Left Early: A True Story of Love and Alcohol, published by Borough Press. Please post your comments and questions for Louisa in advance in the comments below and she will be joining us to answer questions on Monday 16 July at 9pm.

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LouisaYoung · 16/07/2018 21:11

bollocksitshappenedagain -- The reason alcoholics drink is because they are alcoholics. As long as they make excuses - blaming someone else for example, or allowing themself certain triggers - they are leaving themself open to drinking. Well done for recognising what's going on, and being brave enough to do something about it.

pointythings · 16/07/2018 21:13

That's the point, Louisa - not everyone who drinks too much is an alcoholic. What matters is whether or not you have an 'off' switch. Addicts - to whatever substance or activity such as gambling - do not have that.

I'm going to bed now, but I would like to raise one thing I learned from my support group - that one thing addicts have in common is a real problem with self esteem. This was certainly true of my STBXH - he set impossible expectations of himself and then used drink as a coping strategy when these were not met. I think addiction comes out of a combination of lacking the off switch and some really toxic and rigid thinking about what you and your life 'should' be, which stops you appreciating what it is.

Look forward to catching up with this tomorrow.

LouisaYoung · 16/07/2018 21:15

watyadoing - I can't help wondering about your handle there -- what are you doing? Because even if you resent the years of sobriety AA gave you, and have turned that round into being a waste of those years, why would you want to put other people off it? When it works for so many other people in an otherwise desperate situation? And helps their families and partners so much too? There is a great ripple effect of benefits from AA. I'm profoundly grateful to it for the years of sobriety it gave not just my partner, but my family.

LouisaYoung · 16/07/2018 21:20

Pointythings -- yes. The words of wisdom that stick with me are these: It's not what you drink, or how much you drink, but why you drink and what it does to you.
As for the causes, I learned this and it seems right. If a person has (1): the genetic predisposition to physical addiction, and also (2): the psychological predisposition to using chemicals to change the mood when they are suffering mental or emotional pain, and also (3): things happening in their life which cause them that mental and emotional pain, then it is likely that enough of that pain will provoke them to use enough of those chemicals for the physical addiction to kick in.

RachelMumsnet · 16/07/2018 21:56

Thanks for joining us this evening Louisa and once again for such an honest and though provoking guest post.

LouisaYoung · 16/07/2018 21:59

A pleasure Rachel, thanks for having me -- looks like I should have joined in yesterday . . . .

imsoboredwithitall · 16/07/2018 22:03

@whatyadoing AA and NA saved my DM's life & my DB's life. I owe everything to the 12 steps for saving my family. My DM is without fail an alcoholic, she is 9 years sober.

She has a life now and I have a Mum, my son has a Nanna.

Please don't be so ignorant to a disease that kills. A disease that ruins families, relationships, jobs and children's lives.

I am a proud daughter and sister to two addicts. They will ALWAYS be addicts. The 12 steps gave us all hope.

notabee · 17/07/2018 00:02

I'm sorry I couldn't get back on earlier this evening and that you had a quiet session.
I was going to ask a bit about my exh and the fact he is an alcoholic.
I worry about the impact on our DC. It's the elephant in the room as no one talks about it but we all know..
I don't consider I was / am so thank you for agreeing with me. I do watch I don't slip back into my old ways though, it's too easy to do.
Thank you anyway for starting off this conversation. X

beeefcake · 17/07/2018 10:07

@notabee my mother worked her whole life to hide my fathers alcoholism from me. She did a good job but kids do pick up on things, I always wondered why my dad was the only dad not there at school events, family get togethers etc.

Then there were times of being woken up in the middle of the night where he was being arrested for a DUI which I didn't understand at the time but have never forgotten.

Now I am older my mother leans on me a lot for emotional support, and I feel responsible for the both of them so it is really hard going at times.

Honestly it sounds harsh but it may be in yours and your DCs best interests to leave him, make him fight to get you back and prove to you that he can get better.

Notabee · 18/07/2018 08:01

Hi @beeefcake and thank you for replying. I did leave him (hence exh) but he's not stopped or reached for help. If anything he's got worse.
I've lied for him to our DC. Saying he's busy or stuck at work.
For a while I had to stop them visiting him as I caught him considering driving them back to me whilst stinking of the night before booze. Luckily I was nearby anyway so offered by chance. He then lied to me saying he'd only had a couple. Absolute bs.
I did say if he went to drive them again like that he'd never see us again. He now hardly makes the effort to see them. Do you think we're better just walking away completely?
I don't know how to start any conversation with the DC. I know I probably should. Thank you.

beeefcake · 18/07/2018 12:57

@Notabee yes I'm sorry for not reading your post properly!

To be fair my mother did do a bloody good job and I really only "joined the dots up" when I became a bit older and realised all the strange events in my childhood were down to his drinking.

I would say the best thing is to walk away, regardless of how well you hide it from your DC, they are being let down by him. Still to this day have a sense of childhood dread about my father- wondering if he will get too drunk on my wedding, wondering if he will drive drunk somewhere and end up in a ditch. Every time I visit I get anxious as I don't know what I will be faced with.

I would cut all ties with exh, this will prevent a lot of hurt and let down in the long run. Take everything away from him that he loves and make him fight for it back- if he does and he gets better than great! But it not then your DC have already been protected.

pointythings · 18/07/2018 17:04

notabee it's so difficult when you have DCs who don't know and who you want to have a father in their life. In a sense I have it easy because mine are older teens who can make their own decisions. It's sad that they don't have their father in their lives right now, but the man he is, is not the father they remember, want or need.

Notabee · 19/07/2018 07:47

Hi @beeefcake and @pointythings, I think you're both right. I can't see him changing, he's been like this (and getting worse) for 10+ years. Even before that there were warning signs that I missed / didn't want to see.
If he wants to see them he can fight for them. My DC are teens but young for their age, if that makes sense and they wouldn't just turn up at his. It's hard as you're right, I do feel they need a father in their life but not one like this. He's only once or twice turned up for school things and even I live in slight dread of him embarrassing us.
I hope by cutting contact it does help but I can't be responsible for him either way.
Rumour last night is that he's lost his job, I do hope that's not true..
Thank you both for taking the time to post.

bollocksitshappenedagain · 19/07/2018 08:02

Its hard. My dd are younger but I know they were aware of the fact that he's not involved with the family as he could be. Just day to day things - if he popped to the shops it would never occur to take one of them with him, he did minimal bed times - if I was home I did them.

We hardly ever went out and it felt like as meetings ruled our life. A day out on a Sunday - oh we have to be back at this time for a meeting. Out on holiday - looking for meetings, Christmas Eve, Christmas Day. But then other times he would not bother at all. But what I could do was planned around his 'need' to go to a meeting - even though half the time it never happened. I didn't like having to explain why he was always having to go out. The meetings were effectively his social life. And he would get there an hour or more before they started to 'chat' it just impacted everything - even sitting down to tea together at a weekend because he was rushing off.

And I felt like I could never have a drink - I hardly ever drink but just sometimes it would be nice to have one but I didn't dare leave any in the house.

He seems to have stayed sober since we split up (apart from week after) but it is possible it is just hidden from me now. He is also staying at his parents and I am sure they are supervising him! So real test will be when he moves out of there.

pointythings · 19/07/2018 08:39

notabee the best advice I can give you let your DC lead. If they want to see him, facilitate that if it is safe. If they do not want contact, let that be their decision. Mine do not want any kind of contact and that must be awful for STBXH but he was the one who wrecked things.

Mine lost his job in February and yes, it made him much worse. But that is not my problem. He let me have the house (mortgage free) and I have a good job so I was not getting maintenance anyway. He has 6 figures in savings and an income . He is his own problem now.

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