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GOK WAN: Live Webchat - Friday 11 October, 1.45-2.45pm

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RachelMumsnet · 09/10/2013 14:41

We'll still be sweeping up the biscuit crumbs left from the Jennifer Saunders webchat as we prepare for the return of Gok Wan to Mumsnet Towers on Friday 11 October at 1.45pm. Since his last visit in Summer 2010, Gok has produced 2 cookery books and his latest, Gok's Wok is published this week.

Gok shares many of his family's traditional recipes but gives them a modern twist as he teaches us how to cook, simple, fast meals with flavour and a splash of Gok originality. Chapters cover all occasions from lunches to dinner parties and include curries, stir-fries, noodles, salads, soups and desserts.

Join Gok on Friday at 1.45pm or post a question to him in advance to this thead and you'll be entered into a draw to win a SIGNED copy of Gok's Wok.

We have also teamed up with Gok and Sainsbury's to host a live cookalong on Google+. On Wednesday 16 October at 7pm Gok will be making two super-delicious dishes from his new book and he'd love you to join him in cooking them. Find out more here.

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ZingDollyChops · 16/10/2013 11:54

Tunip

yes, I agree, you should absolutely be allowed to huff and puff and not being told to start a new thread to vent - which would then be deleted for breaking guidelines for being a thread about another thread!

However people could have devided to see him calling people dolls etc as trying to be friendly (especially if you have seen his programmes you'll know that it's just his style) - which is how I took it and wasn't offended at all.

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ZingDollyChops · 16/10/2013 11:55

*decided.

not devided - that's not even a word

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mignonette · 16/10/2013 12:16

I don't think it is hypocritical to be a bit Shock at the tone of some posts on the webchat.

I would say that taking issue with Gok over this using a similar hectoring, demeaning tone (or whatever negative you want to call it) that he has been accused of using on his show is actually far more hypocritical.

I don't watch this kind of TV so had to google it. This kind of show is a tad low rent Wink.

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TunipTheUnconquerable · 16/10/2013 12:32

It's not hypocritical to object to all bullying, no. But if Gok was feeling bullied and using that as an excuse to not engage with any of the politely-expressed posts that repeatedly made the same points, that's a bit off.

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MarmaladeBatkins · 16/10/2013 12:34

Is anyone doing the cook-along tonight?

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PeteCampbellsRecedingHairline · 16/10/2013 12:40

I might have done it because I quite like cooking but it's at 7pm which is never a good time in my house.

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MarmaladeBatkins · 16/10/2013 12:47

I am doing an alternative cook along on Skype.

You will need:

A kettle
Pot Noodle
Fork.

6 o'clock, too. Less of a tricky time for busy mums.

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mignonette · 16/10/2013 12:53

I don't think it is off for him to object if he felt bullied (and I surmising that he did feel that way). There should be zero tolerance of bullying regardless of whether people feel you engage in this behaviour or not. Even a 'bully' (not that I am saying Gok is or is not as haven't seen a full show) is entitles to not be bullied or hectored, whatever you call it, himself.

Will Gok step back from his response to gain insight into how others perceive his approach on these shows? Maybe, maybe not.

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 16/10/2013 12:55

Given that Gok didn't answer any of the questions about body confidence/spanx underwear etc - even the ones that were posted well before the banter started and things, in MNHQ's words, became rude and hectoring, it is pretty clear to me that he didn't want to answer any difficult questions, and was only on here to promote his book.

I have no problem with someone coming to promote their book, but if that is the case, I think they should be honest about this with MNHQ, and MNHQ should pass that information on to us, so we know whether it is worth trying to engage that person with any deeper or more serious issues that aren't covered in their book.

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MarmaladeBatkins · 16/10/2013 12:59

"Will Gok step back from his response to gain insight into how others perceive his approach on these shows? Maybe, maybe not."

I think not.

Apparently "I am rich, I can do what I want" is what he said when called on his crassness. This is alleged, obviously.

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mignonette · 16/10/2013 13:03

But didn't the MNHQ introduction make it clear that he was here to talk about his book on food? I understand that this was posted in style and beauty which was maybe MN's fault not his?

I'm not a fan of Gok. Neither do I dislike him. But I do think people give far too much credence to the words of celebrities. We collude in making them 'experts' when they are not. And surely people are not so naive as to think they come on here for any other reason than to promote their latest venture.

I mean, Emma Thompson didn't come on here because she fancied a chat with civilians did she? Yes she answered all kinds of questions. But she did it as PR and it worked. Everybody went away gooey eyed over her. But she didn't answer my question about her hypocrisy in campaigning against airport expansion and climate change whilst continuing to catch planes like buses herself. And I think she mentioned flying several times to various locations in her chat. So I would call her out as just as big a hypocrite and spinner as any other low rent celeb. She was just more successful in fooling people and hiding the less palatable hypocrisies she indulges herself in we reduce our flights to save the planet whilst she merrily carries on flying around the world

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MarmaladeBatkins · 16/10/2013 13:15

Well yes, but, as someone said earlier, most people on to do a webchat are here to sell something or another. However, most webchat participaters DO get asked other questions not regarding their product (like wonderful, wonderful Alistair yesterday and Holly Willoughby too) and manage to acknowledge some of them.


I might be being a bit unfair comparing Gok Wan with Alistair, who is thoughtful and eloquent and obviously much more able to bat uneasy questions deftly...

I agree that slebs are not always experts. I wouldn't expect him to be able to answer questions on nutrition/fussy-eating any more than I would expect my cat to be able to. Maybe he should have considered this kind of question would get fired at him when coming onto a parenting website to talk about food, but there you go But if he can't answer questions about food and he won't answer questions about his ethos, then why did he come on? Genuinely not being facetious.

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mignonette · 16/10/2013 13:33

Marmalade Yes I agree he should expect questions in feeding kids. I think many of us expect too much from these webchats though. I would ask a dietician about nutrition, not JO and Gok Wan.

Why did he come on? Because Mumsnet is now part of the publicity beat? Because his publicists are shit and didn't do their jobs properly in preparing him for his audience? I'd not leave my client so unprepared.

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MarmaladeBatkins · 16/10/2013 13:40

AH. Now. I must disagree there.

JO has plumped himself up as an ambassador on children's nutrional health. I would fire questions at him about that.

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JustineMumsnet · 16/10/2013 13:57

@Valpollicella

I'd think you were sarky Justine, and then bat back quite frankly with more Wink

C'mon. Really? This webchat is no more that others have descended into.

Has there been some kind of push from his PR/publicists/etc? In all my years here I have never seen this.

It's rally interesting that a big name came on, who has backing from other big names, and now the threat of being BANNED for asking a bit of a bantery/bad/cheeky/rude q is being propositioned as the way forward for w/c?

Hi Corporate Person

HI MN People!

Do you feel you espose you values


HI! Will you be bring out a range in pink and blue?

YES! Yes we will!

Aren't pink a blue a bit steroetyped? Why would your org do that?



Hi X company, I've read you have shares in Slavfes XL. How do you feel about us knowing about that?

thats not what the chat is about

And so on


No, no push from Gok camp whatsoever. Not a dickie bird. As said I think this was the worst I've seen. Lots of folk have agreed that it was unpleasant and bullying in tone. We don't want chats to deteriorate like this, so if one was to do so in the future we will be quicker to delete and ban those not following the guidelines.
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PeteCampbellsRecedingHairline · 16/10/2013 14:00

I wouldn't ask Gok about children's food but I would ask JO.

I think Gok should come back and have a style and beauty web chat. Yes, some of the questions may not be what he wants to hear but it would give him the opportunity to put his side across.

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JustineMumsnet · 16/10/2013 14:03

@TunipTheUnconquerable

I don't know Justine.
I think it depends how far you want to push the 'guest in your house' analogy because it seems to me to set up a really problematic imbalance.

If even Scherezade Goldsmith came to my house, I would be utterly lovely to her. I would make her cups of herbal tea and ask her questions about keeping geese and totally stay off the difficult questions like 'How do you seriously think someone who is stinking rich and clueless about how normal people live their lives can seriously give us advice about being more environmentally friendly?'

But if she was in my house it would likely have come about because she was a friend of a friend or something which would imply a certain equality between us and set up responsibilities on both sides. If she said 'Can I come to your house to advise you about saving energy and sell my book to you?' I would say no thank you. Same with Gok.

If you say 'the rules are that you must treat them like a guest in your house' when they haven't actually come on those terms, you are basically saying 'you must put them on a higher plane than you'; they can ignore our politely-expressed questions all they want and once we've asked our question-plus-a-follow-up we must humbly stay quiet or get banned. I am really uncomfortable with this because it's part of the thing I hate about modern celebrity culture, where celebrities are treated as a higher class of individual just like the Victorian aristocracy were a higher class of people and the common people were not allowed to engage on equal terms.

By doing this, you also cannot avoid the fact that by inviting people you are giving them a Mumsnet stamp of approval. I would suggest this gives you a greater responsibility to be selective in terms of who you ask. Personally, I much preferred the set-up where Mumsnet said it wasn't implying approval because the posters would hold the guest to account if they felt they were unacceptable. But if you go with the guest-in-the-house rule, that will not be how it is any more.

Obviously it's your website and as webchat organisers you see a side of it and deal with problems we don't know about, but one thing I have always loved about Mumsnet is how seriously it takes its posters. So I would say that if the rules are going to be enforced this strictly, you absolutely MUST set the terms of each webchat more clearly, because it is not fair on posters not to do that. If Gok is only going to answer questions about his cookery book then fine, but you need to tell us from the off so we don't waste our time hanging around here waiting for him to talk about the thing we are actually interested in.

I don't disagree that this thread went too far, though I am detecting a whiff of hypocrisy here given how bullying Gok himself can be in his interactions with women who are at his mercy on tv. But I AM very uncomfortable with what your post implies about the new regime for webchats. It doesn't really seem to be in the spirit of the Mumsnet I know and love.


Not everyone's as polite to their guests as you, Turnip Smile. Obviously we will use our discretion. I think this chat crossed a line from robustness into nastiness. That's what would trigger a response from us in future.

And I can't say enough times that there was never a plan that Gok was not going to answer anything other than cookery stuff. He didn't address the tougher questions because he didn't want to interact with what he saw as bullying behaviour.
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ZingDollyChops · 16/10/2013 14:06

Justine

hi! when will we know who won the book?

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MarmaladeBatkins · 16/10/2013 14:06

But how could he have seen questions from me, MmeLindor, LeStewpot and others as bullying?

If bullying now means 'not what someone wants to hear' then maybe we are guilty of that.

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JustineMumsnet · 16/10/2013 14:07

@PeteCampbellsRecedingHairline

This thread is going to turn into a bantering/derailing thread isn't it.

Anyway, Justine is on the next webchat. I'm looking forward to that one.


Wah! You're all going to bully me Sad.

Second thoughts, [lightbulb], I can just delete the tricky stuff...
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JustineMumsnet · 16/10/2013 14:08

@MarmaladeBatkins

But how could he have seen questions from me, MmeLindor, LeStewpot and others as bullying?

If bullying now means 'not what someone wants to hear' then maybe we are guilty of that.


As I've said a few times, those questions weren't the problem. It was the hectoring/piss-taking/sarcasm that was.
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MarmaladeBatkins · 16/10/2013 14:11

I know, I know but... you've also said " He didn't address the tougher questions because he didn't want to interact with what he saw as bullying behaviour."

So that makes me feel like my questions were bullying.

I am so confused. And probably being thick.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/10/2013 14:15

And of course if he'd answered the tricky questions he would have been jumped on and his response torn to shreds

I too was horrified by this Web chat. Watching a small group of posters gang up on this guest to mums net,and derail the entire event . It was very definitely bullying, and was not nice to watch.

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ZingDollyChops · 16/10/2013 14:16

hmm, maybe I should get upset that Justine's ignored both my apology and my question.

Grin @ I can just delete the tricky stuff

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/10/2013 14:16

Asking the question once is not bullying. Asking the question multiple times with sarcasm and mocking asides definitely is.

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