Measles outbreak and MMR vaccinations: live webchat with Department of Health director of immunisation Professor David Salisbury, Tuesday 9 April, 2-3pm

[GeraldineMumsnet]

In light of the measles outbreaks in South Wales and higher than average levels of measles in some areas of England, and concerns reflected in MNers' discussions, we've invited Professor David Salisbury, the government's director of immunisation, back to MN to be our webchat guest tomorrow, Tuesday 9 April, at 2pm.

Please post any questions you have about the MMR vaccine for your children, or yourself, to Professor Salisbury.

Thank you.

Vaccines

The vaccine strain measles virus has been found in the damaged tissue of the bowels and blood of my sons

who found the vaccine strain measles virus in your son's body? Because that kind of claim is exactly what is debated amongst scientists, most recently, in this article by Dr Bustin who was one of the Autism Omnibus Proceedings experts.

www.intechopen.com/books/recent-advances-in-autism-spectrum-disorders-volume-i/why-there-is-no-link-between-measles-virus-and-autism

"rogue" science by press release clearly doesn't work...

Wibbly - the uptake isn't low (have a look at the HPA figures and the latest JCVI minutes where they say they are very pleased with uptake.) Add in singles & I suspect most areas are at 95% - it's a shame the DS didn't address that today though (I did mention it).

Also you can attend school in the States without vaccination (& Australia & France & everywhere else that is cited - I know people who do, usually it's a case of signing done form of objection).

Vaccines - the system has badly let you down :(

The Italy decision will not stand though - they just heard the absolute anti-vaccine clowns as "experts" (I read the ruling - still wait to get my hands on the transcripts).

While we're on accountability can someone please explain the logic behind only paying compensation for death due to vaccination if the death occurrs after the age of two. I have never understood that aspect of the vaccine compensation scheme or the logic behind it.

Wibblypiglikesbananas

I know many people in the US who consider the position horrendous - also despite this (or because of it) the US fall ever further down the league tables for child mortality and health, while the mandated programme expands indefinitely as a result of pharma lobbying. However, the probable reason why successive UK governments (and Dr Salisbury) have not wanted compulsory vaccination is that they don't want proper liability. They want parents to make the choice (usually on the basis of their propaganda) to take the legal responsibility out of their hands. Also, I suspect, the ruling classes don't want to be forced to vaccinate their own children. This is different in the US because there are financial and administrative sanctions on people to vaccinate in the US which don't affect the very wealthy, but I doubt whether this would be acceptable politics here.

Having said all this I note that the position in Australia is shifting, and may possibly be some model for the future in the UK (I profoundly hope not).

holy conspiracy theory - a grain of rice "easily" fitting into a vaccine? Well done for discrediting totally relevant concerns around vaccines/vaccination policy, sheesh.

actually, what was compensated was the "classical" table injury MMR leading to encephalitis www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/saeid-b-mojabi-and-parivash-vahabi-parents-and-legal-representatives-their-minor-son-ryan-b-mojabi-v

Syringe of death? That's not trying to be manipulative or button pushing at all now, is it?

Hi PTG, it's a real eye opener being here, particularly since opinion is so widely divided amongst the American friends we have (many of whom are doctors) and then the more international crowd, each nationality bringing with it their own views, experiences and norms.

SJJ - With regards to signing an opt out form, in the state I'm in, you literally cannot attend any government run public school or playscheme without having been vaccinated. The rules are slightly different for the private schools - so generally speaking the international schools - though many still ask for the state health declaration forms to be filled in. Consequently, if you are rich enough to afford private schooling then perhaps you can opt out. For the majority, however, who rely on the state system, there is no choice (for good or bad).

'Low' uptake, maybe that was the wrong way to phrase it. Lower than optimum perhaps? The flip side being that if the vaccinations were compulsory, there'd have been an even higher take up, one would assume.

As a nurse I'd love to see the size of the needle that would fit something the size of a grain of rice in it...

Did you join just to post scary links?

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I think for most states you can get a religious or philosophical objection though? I know there are a few you can't. In Australia it seemed simpler to opt out.

A lawyer friend did tell me European law would make it very difficult to introduce compulsory vaccination here (although I cannot remember the details). I know friends in France who have had no problem accessing school despite no vaccinations at all (they said it seemed to be more about needing something to file, rather than what that piece of paper actually said).

Oh there was an interesting paper comparing systems - can't search now but will see if I can find later. It was an interesting read