Measles outbreak and MMR vaccinations: live webchat with Department of Health director of immunisation Professor David Salisbury, Tuesday 9 April, 2-3pm

[GeraldineMumsnet]

In light of the measles outbreaks in South Wales and higher than average levels of measles in some areas of England, and concerns reflected in MNers' discussions, we've invited Professor David Salisbury, the government's director of immunisation, back to MN to be our webchat guest tomorrow, Tuesday 9 April, at 2pm.

Please post any questions you have about the MMR vaccine for your children, or yourself, to Professor Salisbury.

Thank you.

You can try - though whether it's accepted or not is another matter! And honestly? You have to be the kind of person who has the wherewithall and resources to know to object in the first place, in fact to know that you can object at all, as all official paperwork, paediatricians etc, doesn't/don't publicise this. In a number of public (govermment run) school catchment areas in my state, the social problems are immense and (gross generalisation, I know, but if you've seen these areas, you'll know), fighting government rules on jabs just isn't going to happen. Hence, everyone's vaccinated.

I'm highly amused at 'Syringe of Death'. Hyperbole much?

Oh I'm sure wibbly. The people I know who have got around it very switched on and wealthy. They may well have used the private system (didn't think to ask - don't know them that well).

whoa! hang on, why have Vaccines' posts all been deleted?

What silverfrog said

Why has the main dissenting voice been silenced. I was interested in her point of view.

I think it is really important to answer this mumsnet. Especially as she identified she was a Lancet study 'mother'. I really hope you can confirm that they were deleted at her request.

Where did vaccines posts go?

Wtf why have so many posts been deleted, they were sharing their story and some links, how is that against guidlines?

An explanation please mnhq?!!

If they were deleted at her request it would say "removed at posters request" not deleted for breaking guidelines!

soulsurvivor said, "To a person with normal health, measles is an unpleasant illness but presents no danger of permanent effects. Everyone of our generation had measles and everyone always recovered. It was never referred to as a life-threatening disease."

This is NONSENSE and a dangerous lie. People can die from measles.

In 2011 the WHO estimated that there were 158,000 deaths caused by Measles. Mortality in developed countries is ~1/1000. In sub-Saharan Africa, mortality is 10%. In cases with complications, the rate may rise to 20?30%. In 2010, approximately 380 deaths occurred every day from measles.

Roald Dahl's daughter famously died of measles.

berkshireskeptics.org.uk/blog/2012/09/19/measles-a-dangerous-illness-by-roald-dahl/

An older friend in his 60s and his twin had measles as children. His twin died. He was 'just' left deaf. Another 35 year old friend is deaf because of measles.

berkshireskeptics.org.uk/blog/2012/09/19/measles-a-dangerous-illness-by-roald-dahl/

agree, if they were deleted at Vaccines' request it would have said 'message withdrawn/deleted at poster's request'

I assume they haven't been deleted for trolling, as one post remains.

Yes 5eggs I know, but I am clinging to the hope that there has been an admin error there. I can't think of any other explanation that is ethical really.

Also vaccines gave enough information to be easily verifiable if mnhq are concerned about that.

Well yes saintly I agree, I hope its a mistake and not just that mnhq are complicit in stifling debate about vaccines.

Ffs we are all parents trying to do the best by our children!

This question and answer session is not helping me feel confident in my choice to have the mad things vaccinated next week having declined previously for medical reasons.

Back to my non easter name BTW!

Ironic really as I was writing only yesterday about how the parents of the Lancet children feel they have not been heard. I posted a link to a statement written by 8 of them.

Still hoping that despite appearances it was on her request.

Sorry a statement written by the parents of 8 of the children :pedantic:

I suppose keep the appointment & go armed with a list of questions madthings - good luck!

CatharinaJTV

Bustin's evidence was equivocal - he admitted the high copy number were valid but attacked O'Leary's reputation (but there was no corroboration for his assertions). I also note the NIH paper (Hornig) that followed up O'Leary/Uhlmann played down the association of MMR with autism but did detect measles RNA in the bowel of two sick children. It states in the discussion:

"Our results differ with reports noting MV RNA in ileal biopsies of 75% of ASD vs. 6% of control children...Discrepancies are unlikely to represent differences in experimental technique because similar primer and probe sequences, cycling conditions and instruments were employed in this and earlier reports; furthermore, one of the three laboratories participating in this study performed the assays described in earlier reports. Other factors to consider include differences in patient age, sex, origin (Europe vs. North America), GI disease, recency of MMR vaccine administration at time of biopsy, and methods for confirming neuropsychiatric status in cases and controls."

I think we can deduce from this that measles RNA can be detected in the ileum of some sick, previously vaccinated children, irrespective of whether they are autistic or not.

well quite, saintly, re: being identifiable.

which is why I said if deleted for trolling (ie, it wasn't actually Vaccines, but someone claiming to be them, iyswim) then it was odd that one post remained, as whole account would have been deleted, surely.

not suggesting for a second that Vaccines is a troll

Well no - and what she said on here matches what i have seen elsewhere. It didn't really look like trolling to me? Surely no-one would pretend to be a Lancet mother - too easy to check.

Hornig found the measles virus in one healthy control and one autistic child! I will read the Bustin chapter now. I found his initial testimony quite comprehensive, but it is a while since I read the Cedillo transcripts...

but then that leaves the question of why the deletions.

and that is not looking good, tbh.

here's hoping you're right with your admin error.