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Lighter Later campaign to shift the clocks forwards giving us an extra hour of daylight in the evenings - What do you think?

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JustineMumsnet · 29/03/2010 14:46

What do we think of this campaign to move the clocks forward by an hour all year round?

10:10 LAUNCHES "LIGHTER LATER" CAMPAIGN

On the day of the spring clock change 10:10 is launching the Lighter Later campaign to brighten the nation's days, simply by changing the clocks so we are awake when the sun is out.

10:10 is proposing we shift our clocks to give us one extra hour of daylight in the evenings, all year round. In other words, the UK would shift to GMT+1 in the winter and GMT+2 in spring/summer.

If this was implemented the entire country would, overnight, be one step closer to a 10% reduction in its carbon emissions, as well as happier, healthier and better off. This is a great example of how action on climate change need not be negative, long-term or overly complicated, but rather simple, common-sensical and with multiple benefits.

Franny Armstrong, 10:10 founder and director of the climate change blockbuster The Age Of Stupid said

"Hands up who doesn't want our country to be safer, lighter, more prosperous and with less pollution? And who doesn't want to save money on their electricity bills without lifting a finger?"

This simple change would save almost half-a-million tonnes of CO2 each year1. That's equivalent to taking 185,000 cars off the road permanently.

But, as with so many of the simple behavioural changes 10:10 is recommending to people and organisations, this policy initiative has many benefits beyond the environment.

  • Road Safety This policy could save over 100 fatalities on the nation's roads each year.
  • Energy bills Consumers and businesses would use less energy thus saving money!
  • Tourism & jobs It is estimated that, as a result of the measures proposed by the Lighter Later campaign, 60,000-80,000 jobs will be created through increased leisure & tourism, bringing an extra £2.5-3.5 billion into the economy each year.
  • Prevent accidents. More daylight could prevent an estimated 1,000 serious injuries every year.
  • Crime Lighter evening would reduce crime and fear of crime.
  • Health. More daylight means more time for sports and outdoor activities.

These knock-on benefits mean that lighter evenings are now a more attractive prospect than ever. And people have finally started to take notice. From tourism trade bodies to road safety campaigners, and from sporting organisations to serving Government ministers, a new movement for lighter evenings is growing day by day.

10:10 is calling on individuals, businesses and organisations alike to add their voices to the call for lighter evenings all year round by visiting www.lighterlater.org

Article about it here.

OP posts:
Rockbird · 29/03/2010 18:27

They won't do it. They waffle on about this every March, then they forget about it.

SuSylvester · 29/03/2010 18:29

Groundskeeper Willie

rofl

abride · 29/03/2010 18:45

The sooner they turn the bloody streetlights off after about midnight the better.

Pumphreydidit · 29/03/2010 18:58

By all means do it in England but not for Scotland.

Contrary to some racist posters, some of us do give a fuck.

bibbitybobbityhat · 29/03/2010 19:14

This debate is had every year. I remember watching a long feature about it on Nationwide in something like 1974.

bibbitybobbityhat · 29/03/2010 19:15

Am quite surprised at how few people are aware that time zones go vertically on the globe, tbh.

gothicmama · 29/03/2010 19:27

think it is a good idea - altho do think it will probablelead to Scotland being in a diff time zone on balance the benefits to England out weigh the negatives - I am not sure how it would work having two time zones

AntoinetteOuradi · 29/03/2010 19:27

Skidoodly, my DS starts at 8.00 and finishes at 4.10. That is not because he goes to before-school care or anything: it's because that's when Registration is. He finishes at 4.10 because that's when the bell goes for the end of the day. He is seven, lest you suppose he's a strapping teenager!

skidoodly · 29/03/2010 19:40

That is a crazy long day for a 7 year old. My school day was shorter in secondary school. He's doing a full working week. That's so wrong.

Primary school finished at half two when I went. Started at 9. What is the point of such a long day?

differentID · 29/03/2010 19:46

I am against it. I believe it to be poorly thought out and gimmicky.

Whichever idiot said that it would reduce crime, is a numpty, a complete and total numpty. Because certainly in this town the problematic element are more frequently seen in the lighter evenings.

Dark and cold= safer streets as the rougher element also like their comfort and will be in their houses!!!!
Lighter evenings= larger number of rowdier and rougher people drinking alcohol and it feels very threatening having to walk past large groups of volatile drunks who are only drinking because it's light enough to be out.

So sorry, my support for this illogical and ill thought out piece of "green" bullshit(imho) will not be forthcoming.

Oh and before you all tell me to take another route- the only 2 ways to my home are past these groups of people.

doggiesayswoof · 29/03/2010 19:49

I'm against it.

I am in central Scotland (no crofters round here) and some mornings in winter it's not light until 9.30 or so

Such a depressing thought

I don't understand how this would save energy - can someone explain that?

doggiesayswoof · 29/03/2010 19:52

totally agree re crime differentID - it's the same where we are.

Much more antisocial behaviour in general, in the summer they would be out making noise until 11.30pm because it would still be light

AndiMac · 29/03/2010 19:52

Please look at the link I provided, it explains it there. With pictures and everything.

differentID · 29/03/2010 19:59

I also read in the article linked in the OP

why can't Scotland simply change the opening times of it's schools?

For the very simple fact that business won't change their hours of work and so many staff will be out of pocket the economy will grind to a slowdown because fewer reliable people can afford to work.Because of childcare issues. It's hard enough finding childcare that is affordable now for anyone, what would it be like for the working poor families? Who would either have less time spent together because one parent has to go in later to work and as such work later in the evening, or, if their employer won't budge,(and many businesses cannot afford to be fully flexible)lose employment thus meaning poverty for more people.

doggiesayswoof · 29/03/2010 20:03

Oh I see - nice graphs.

Well looking at that I get that it would make sense in terms of electricity saving for the southern half of the UK where obv the majority of the population lives

Just feel it would be miserable for us

Pumphreydidit · 29/03/2010 20:07

It would completely scupper life in Shetland and Orkney - still part of the UK, same longitude, but never gets dark in summer or much light in winter.
How would it work there?

abbierhodes · 29/03/2010 20:09

It is the first school day of BST, it is still light and my kids are still awake. They need 12 hours sleep to function and have to be up at 7. And you want to make this worse?

So at some times of year we'll put them to bed in the light, so they can't sleep, and wake them up in the dark, when they want to sleep? Messing their body clocks up completely, just so we won't have to switch so many lights on?

Is mumsnet starting to believe its own hype? Just seeing what nonsense they can convince people of next? What a load of shite.

doggiesayswoof · 29/03/2010 20:11

No time or inclination to read the article - need to go and drink alcopops - but can't believe the suggestion that Scottish schools should just change their opening hours - to what exactly?

differentID you are right again.

I don't see how it could possibly work having Scotland and rest of UK on different time systems either.

JackRabbitBauer · 29/03/2010 20:11

Andimac, ooh, pretty pictures.
They are a little patronising, I can envision how it woud affect the lighting etc, ( and I can cope without charts covered in shiny images and icons) Any evidence that isn't from a commisioned report or a shiny graph for idiots?
But it really doesn't make enough of a positive difference to outweigh all the cons

( I wasn't being racist BTW, I was being sarcastic )

doggiesayswoof · 29/03/2010 20:12

Yes abb I have just had nightmare time getting dc to sleep too - hence alcopops

doggiesayswoof · 29/03/2010 20:15

Jack, I think that poster was referring to Susylvester further down thread who said nobody gives a fuck about the scots

and I don't think Su was actually expressing her own opinion IYSWIM

Pennies · 29/03/2010 20:15

this old chestnut gets rolled out each time the clocks change.

its no biggie. leave well alone.

DuelingFanjo · 29/03/2010 20:17

no thanks

JackRabbitBauer · 29/03/2010 20:19

thansk doggie

Pumphreydidit · 29/03/2010 20:25

It is ok Jack. Your sarcasm is far more elegant than su's.