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Lighter Later campaign to shift the clocks forwards giving us an extra hour of daylight in the evenings - What do you think?

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JustineMumsnet · 29/03/2010 14:46

What do we think of this campaign to move the clocks forward by an hour all year round?

10:10 LAUNCHES "LIGHTER LATER" CAMPAIGN

On the day of the spring clock change 10:10 is launching the Lighter Later campaign to brighten the nation's days, simply by changing the clocks so we are awake when the sun is out.

10:10 is proposing we shift our clocks to give us one extra hour of daylight in the evenings, all year round. In other words, the UK would shift to GMT+1 in the winter and GMT+2 in spring/summer.

If this was implemented the entire country would, overnight, be one step closer to a 10% reduction in its carbon emissions, as well as happier, healthier and better off. This is a great example of how action on climate change need not be negative, long-term or overly complicated, but rather simple, common-sensical and with multiple benefits.

Franny Armstrong, 10:10 founder and director of the climate change blockbuster The Age Of Stupid said

"Hands up who doesn't want our country to be safer, lighter, more prosperous and with less pollution? And who doesn't want to save money on their electricity bills without lifting a finger?"

This simple change would save almost half-a-million tonnes of CO2 each year1. That's equivalent to taking 185,000 cars off the road permanently.

But, as with so many of the simple behavioural changes 10:10 is recommending to people and organisations, this policy initiative has many benefits beyond the environment.

  • Road Safety This policy could save over 100 fatalities on the nation's roads each year.
  • Energy bills Consumers and businesses would use less energy thus saving money!
  • Tourism & jobs It is estimated that, as a result of the measures proposed by the Lighter Later campaign, 60,000-80,000 jobs will be created through increased leisure & tourism, bringing an extra £2.5-3.5 billion into the economy each year.
  • Prevent accidents. More daylight could prevent an estimated 1,000 serious injuries every year.
  • Crime Lighter evening would reduce crime and fear of crime.
  • Health. More daylight means more time for sports and outdoor activities.

These knock-on benefits mean that lighter evenings are now a more attractive prospect than ever. And people have finally started to take notice. From tourism trade bodies to road safety campaigners, and from sporting organisations to serving Government ministers, a new movement for lighter evenings is growing day by day.

10:10 is calling on individuals, businesses and organisations alike to add their voices to the call for lighter evenings all year round by visiting www.lighterlater.org

Article about it here.

OP posts:
moonbells · 29/03/2010 22:25

I can argue for and against this one.

Gardener's hat on: great, I'll get another hour each evening for faffing about after ds is in bed

Mum's hat on: Oh, great... (sarcastic tone) it's bad enough getting ds to sleep when it's light as it is, let alone having to do it for even MORE months!

Astronomer's hat on: NOOOOOOOO! Bad enough having to wait past midnight in summer to see stars as it is without this making it worse!

cluelessnchaos · 29/03/2010 22:28

I think the last time they tried it a group of school children were killed whilst walking to school, there was a national outcry south of the border as well as north and they scrapped it, I hate dark mornings but I don't really give a stuff either way what annoys me is the bickering and lack of concern on this thread i have lived down south and far north, those living in the south really don't realise how bleak it is in the winter and how long the winters last up here.

Beveridge · 29/03/2010 22:30

This is madness. The clocks started changing during the First World war to maximise daylight for the war effort. Last time I looked we weren't involved in total war so the whole reason even for BST doesn't exist anymore.

I live in the North of Scotland and dread even more messing about with the time. I teach in a large rural school where the majority of pupils use school transport and have to wait by the roadside for the buses. It'll be even more dangerous in the pitch black if the clocks are an hour ahead. In the summer it's really only dark for about 2 hours up here anyway, so there's no advantage for us.

Australia has different time zones and they cope. If England, Wales and Northern Ireland want to do it fine but they can leave us out of it.

As for the green angle, the only difference will be less lights on. And you can only buy energy efficient ones now so it's hardly going to save the planet.

But here's a radical idea - if you personally want an 'extra' hour of daylight, why don't you just get up earlier???! And leave me in my bed

ozmetric · 29/03/2010 22:34

I'm against it. Agree with Beveridge, if you or your organisation want an 'extra' hour of daylight then just schedule things at different times

AnnieLobeseder · 29/03/2010 22:46

Why don't we just do what they do in sunnier climes and start the day earlier? I used to start school at 7:25am in South Africa, and we finished at 2:10. Our parents all started work at 8am and were finished at 4pm, leaving a lovely fat chunk of afternoon free for relaxing.

The seasonal light fluctuation is much less in SA, so hardly any difference between summer and winter, so getting up early when the sun set at 7pm even in high summer was definitely the way to go.

skidoodly · 29/03/2010 22:47

If this is such a simple, no-brainer idea why aren't more countries planning to shift their time in this way?

Beveridge · 29/03/2010 22:58

AnnieLobeseder, I presume the reason we don't start the day earlier is precisely because this country is nothing like South Africa!

Up with me, the sun sets anytime between the back of 3pm (December)and the back of 10pm (June)!

Spidermama · 29/03/2010 23:40

Brilliant idea.

People tend either to be early birds or night owls and the early birds have had it their own way for too long.

I saw a programme about this once. They talked about our cortisone levels (that's the get-up-an-go hormone) peaking at different times. Some people are much better than others in the morning.

I am very much a night owl. I struggle to get up and get the kids out on time but I can work late into the night very easily.

In my view the early birds have got it their own way. Most of us are forced to go to school or work at 9 which means waking up a 7. That's ridiculously early for me and other night birds but we live with it.

At least give us some more decent quality time at the other end of the day when the toiling is over.

If it is even half as green as it's claimed then it's a complete no brainer.

Actually I think it's a bit rich for the Scots to hold southerners hostage in this way and moan about how you always get the short straw. It's still culturally acceptable to hate the English. Now you have your own parliament. Deal with it!

Pofacedagain · 29/03/2010 23:46

I am a night owl too spidermama. But it does seem, from here at least, that the early risers are in the majority. My ds is always horrendously tired in the morning even though I try to get him to bed early [he'll stay in bed awake in the dark] and if he could start school a little bit later it would be wonderful. But it wouldn't suit most.

I do think it is a shame that the environmental aspect of this is not being taken into account though.

Spidermama · 29/03/2010 23:58

Night owls are a minority which is being discriminated against. People don't understand and assume it's laziness. Teenagers are also discriminated against because they really do have trouble waking up in the mornings and also getting to sleep at nights. It has something to do with puberty. People assume it's just laziness.

I WISH school and university started late or I wish at least there was some sort of option.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 29/03/2010 23:59

Yet again a great idea for the south of england is being proposed as a great idea for the whole of the uk.

To use 10:10 own example - at xmas in edinburgh (which isn't exactly the far north!) it currently gets light at about 8:45. If this goes ahead it wouldn't be light until 9:45

Can you imagine how depressing it'd be to have nearly the first hour of your working/school day in darkness.

And to those that argue that they should simply change the school opening hours to 10AM rather than 9AM - can you imagine how completely that would screw up every working parent - unless of course you suggest that all workplaces should change their standard hours too!

I have no problem if this were a devolved issue and scotland could have a seperate time zone - but this sugestion would make things worse for everyone in scotland - not better.

So yes more "traditional opposition from scotland" for me...

Pofacedagain · 30/03/2010 00:03

No I do understand the Scotland issue. Thing is at some point we are all going to have make big changes in our way of life - they will be forced up on us - and at the moment we do not want environmental issues to inconvenience us in any way. And that is a head in the sand technique.

MotherJack · 30/03/2010 01:08

What a stupid idea. Accidents happen, and they happen more so in the dark if the numbers are there - numbers of pedestrians going to work/school and drivers. It will not save RTAs. The whole GMT+1 summertime thing came from someone who thought it would be lovely to play tennis in the evenings for longer. It was never farmers, as conventionally believed.

We have a seasonally dependent set amount of daylight in this country. Whichever end of the day the most light is at will never suit everyone. Get over it if it doesn't. It's the bleeding time of day combined with the season!

Tambasher · 30/03/2010 07:01

Oh I don't know, I am in Scotland and if they want to open schools (just to make us even odder) later that would be fine.

Dc could sleep until 9.00am start school at 10.00am, finish at 4/5pm and bed by 7/8pm.

Yes I like that.

Tambasher · 30/03/2010 07:02

I don't work so could also sleep until 9.00am.

boredonasunday · 30/03/2010 07:26

Haven't read whole thread but no matter how we fuck about with the time, the fact remains that we still only have a limited number of daylight hours in the winter, regardless of whether it's dark in the morning or evening. We live in the Northern hemisphere and will just have to accept it ! Plus how will we be saving energy ? Surely we will need lights on in the morning if it doens't get light until later - or are we all going to stumble around in the ptich black...

Tambasher · 30/03/2010 07:47

I have lights on. Dc think it's during night and are still sleeping.

SweetGrapes · 30/03/2010 07:53

I love the sheer audacity of the whole 'change the time' concept. It's almost like you think you've changed the earth's axis or something.
It doesn't really get you any extra hours of sunlight at all.
Where I grew up we used to go to school at 7 in the winters and at 5:30 in the summers.

School timings were changed to suit the weather and the season. Maybe the scots, english, welsh etc etc need to change their school timings to suit their particular geography, weather etc instead.

lowenergylightbulb · 30/03/2010 08:04

Disagree with the proposal. Dark mornings are the pits. I also like the evenings drawing in in the winter.

I'm nowhere near scotland, but in the winter months it's still dark here at half sevenish - I can see no merit in extending that darkness.

TheFoosa · 30/03/2010 08:35

I hate it when the clocks changes

stop faffing around with it

gorionine · 30/03/2010 08:51

I want thinks to stay as they are! I love when we go back to "winter time" and I can sleep an extra hour!

OhYouBadBadKitten · 30/03/2010 09:19

would be rubbish for SAD sufferers who are desperate for any morning light to relieve depression.

StewieGriffinsMom · 30/03/2010 09:27

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doggiesayswoof · 30/03/2010 10:39

Spidermama "it's still culturally acceptable to hate the Engilsh"

Yes and it's clearly still acceptable to go on about Scots moaning and "holding southerners hostage"

You do realise that we just have devolution, not independence? And therefore a lot of big decisions are not decided by the Scottish Government but still come under Westminster legislation?

So - Scotland is about 10% of the UK population, a significant minority. Yet again we should put up with it, stop moaning - and change our school opening hours to fit in.

Simple

BTW I am a night owl too and I work full time so I have to suck it up. Why should the night owls hold everyone else hostage, to use your terminology?

Finona · 30/03/2010 10:43

Spidermama: Mon 29-Mar-10 23:40:12
It's still culturally acceptable to hate the English. Now you have your own parliament. Deal with it!

The only person I have seen here spouting 'hate' is SuSylvester, and if she'd said what she did about any other nationality/racial group she'd have been rightly flamed. All the Scots have been quite reasonably pointing out the difficulties with this proposal, which is what Mumsnet asked us.

As to our own parliament, yes we do have one now, but unfortunately it doesn't have the full powers of a normal country. Changing clocks would, I presume, be a reserved matter, and therefore Westminster would still be making the decisions.