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Lighter Later campaign to shift the clocks forwards giving us an extra hour of daylight in the evenings - What do you think?

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JustineMumsnet · 29/03/2010 14:46

What do we think of this campaign to move the clocks forward by an hour all year round?

10:10 LAUNCHES "LIGHTER LATER" CAMPAIGN

On the day of the spring clock change 10:10 is launching the Lighter Later campaign to brighten the nation's days, simply by changing the clocks so we are awake when the sun is out.

10:10 is proposing we shift our clocks to give us one extra hour of daylight in the evenings, all year round. In other words, the UK would shift to GMT+1 in the winter and GMT+2 in spring/summer.

If this was implemented the entire country would, overnight, be one step closer to a 10% reduction in its carbon emissions, as well as happier, healthier and better off. This is a great example of how action on climate change need not be negative, long-term or overly complicated, but rather simple, common-sensical and with multiple benefits.

Franny Armstrong, 10:10 founder and director of the climate change blockbuster The Age Of Stupid said

"Hands up who doesn't want our country to be safer, lighter, more prosperous and with less pollution? And who doesn't want to save money on their electricity bills without lifting a finger?"

This simple change would save almost half-a-million tonnes of CO2 each year1. That's equivalent to taking 185,000 cars off the road permanently.

But, as with so many of the simple behavioural changes 10:10 is recommending to people and organisations, this policy initiative has many benefits beyond the environment.

  • Road Safety This policy could save over 100 fatalities on the nation's roads each year.
  • Energy bills Consumers and businesses would use less energy thus saving money!
  • Tourism & jobs It is estimated that, as a result of the measures proposed by the Lighter Later campaign, 60,000-80,000 jobs will be created through increased leisure & tourism, bringing an extra £2.5-3.5 billion into the economy each year.
  • Prevent accidents. More daylight could prevent an estimated 1,000 serious injuries every year.
  • Crime Lighter evening would reduce crime and fear of crime.
  • Health. More daylight means more time for sports and outdoor activities.

These knock-on benefits mean that lighter evenings are now a more attractive prospect than ever. And people have finally started to take notice. From tourism trade bodies to road safety campaigners, and from sporting organisations to serving Government ministers, a new movement for lighter evenings is growing day by day.

10:10 is calling on individuals, businesses and organisations alike to add their voices to the call for lighter evenings all year round by visiting www.lighterlater.org

Article about it here.

OP posts:
geekgirl · 29/03/2010 17:15

I would love school to start earlier. And just to point out re. dark mornings - in many parts of the world children go to school much earlier than in the UK - Finnish schools start at 8 or earlier, so do German ones. Children travel to school in the dark as a matter of course there - I grew up in northern Germany and left home at 7am to cycle to school - often in the dark. It was perfectly normal and not a matter of life and death .

Francagoestohollywood · 29/03/2010 17:18

I like long summer evenings.
Mornings should be banned anyway (imho)

skidoodly · 29/03/2010 17:19

"I grew up in northern Germany and left home at 7am to cycle to school - often in the dark. It was perfectly normal and not a matter of life and death"

so why should the whole country change its ways so your ds doesn't have to come home from music lessons in the dark, if it's so unimportant?

boodleboot · 29/03/2010 17:23

fantastic....i'm in....

AndiMac · 29/03/2010 17:23

How would it be easier for schools to adjust their hours? Then parents have to adjust their schedules to drop off the kids while their work doesn't move. If everyone changes, then everyone stays on the same schedule.

As for it taking "weeks" to adjust to a measly one hour change, that's not accurate for most people. In general, it takes one day per hour of change to adjust. Therefore, it only takes a day. Special needs people excepted perhaps, but a 2 hour change, as a one off, would take all of 2 days to "recover" from.

skidoodly · 29/03/2010 17:23

Why don't we change to GMT+7 in winter? Then children in rural England could play outdoors for hours in the winter

Then we could try GMT+12 in summer, for people who like their barbecue all nighters in daylight.

Francagoestohollywood · 29/03/2010 17:25

I think that the day should start at about 10 in the morning. School starts at 8.15 here in Italy. It's sadistic.

SuSylvester · 29/03/2010 17:27

FARMERS HAVE LIGHTS

SuSylvester · 29/03/2010 17:27

aND WHO GIEV A FFUCK ABOTU teh scottish tbh

ChippyMinton · 29/03/2010 17:28

Leave it as it is.

littledawley · 29/03/2010 17:38

I know it's stupid but the thought of standing in Greenwich but never being at GMT bothers me

Hassled · 29/03/2010 17:38

Top idea - we should go for it. The crofters will cope - they seem a hardy lot.

Actually I'm basing that solely on Groundskeeper Willie - they might be a bunch of wusses for all I know.

fluffles · 29/03/2010 17:39

totally 100% disagree - it is an entirely south centric policy.

in Scotland we'd have darkness until mid-morning through winter and then have the sun out till nearly midnight in june!!!

not only would it be harder for everyone to get up in the mornings it would be impossible to get children to sleep at night, AND prove disasterous for anybody who works outdoors (farming, road repairs, construction) as they'd have to start work later and then work on into the evenings ruining family life.

Tortington · 29/03/2010 17:41

i like it.

i like it muchly.

You can tell them that i have given them my approval and they can now go ahead

fluffles · 29/03/2010 17:46

as for the argument that tourist attractions can stay open later - well, woopee do! great, more people get to miss their family meal and children's bedtimes in order to work longer hours. Great.

yama · 29/03/2010 17:53

I'm against this proposed campaign.

Dark mornings are much worse than dark evenings imo and ime.

AndiMac · 29/03/2010 18:02

"not only would it be harder for everyone to get up in the mornings it would be impossible to get children to sleep at night"

I can say the same about getting up in the morning at 4:30 when the sun rises. Blackout curtains.

BelleDameSansMerci · 29/03/2010 18:12

No thanks - let's leave it as it is please. There are enough people with SAD issues as it is and I can't see that an extra hour of darkness in the morning would help much.

JackRabbitBauer · 29/03/2010 18:12

It's a ridiculous idea.
Accidents are more liekly in the dark, whether it is morning or evening is irrelevant, the streets need to be lit better/reflective clothing more prevelant.

But what is really confusing me is the claim that we will save electricity. How? There will still be the EXACT SAME AMOUNT of sunlight. if it is in the morning or the evening people will still put their lights on when it is dark.
very weird.

JackRabbitBauer · 29/03/2010 18:15

Hahahahaha

That article header
'despite traditional opposition from Scotland'

Yeah, those bloody Scots, just opposing it to be awkward and traditional.
Sorry, but that's so funny. Teeny mention of the RTA's in scotland after the last change at the end leaves you with the impression that it's the scots want us all to live in the dark, ooh, you northern swines...

SpeccieSeccie · 29/03/2010 18:16

YES PLEASE! This is a brilliant campaign idea. Positive, cheap and green. And sooo much better for those of us who dread the early dark evenings.

AndiMac · 29/03/2010 18:19

We will save electricity because there are fewer people awake in the mornings when it's dark as compared to awake in the evenings when it's dark. Hence fewer lights going on. And the research suggests that switching to this scheme will actually reduce SAD. Here is a direct link to the benefits: www.lighterlater.org/benefits.html

AndiMac · 29/03/2010 18:22

www.lighterlater.org/benefits.html
I really cannot get the hang of posting here without an edit feature.

JackRabbitBauer · 29/03/2010 18:23

That is just domestic though, don't streetlights and industry use the most electricity? And they will still be using the same (for streetlights) and almost the same (businesses that are open early morning and late evening will have lights on anyway.

It's a big gimmick for the 2012 olympics really, isn't it?

Farmers will lose out, but no-one gives a fuck about them anymore do they

FromGirders · 29/03/2010 18:27

Another vote against.
I can cope much better with the early evenings than dark mornings - it wouldn't be light here until nearly ten in the winter. Grim.
Having said that, if Scotland can have a different use of BST and GMT then all the Southerners may do precisely as they wish with my blessing. And if it speeds up Scottish Independence, so much the better.