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We need you! Lobby your MP for the last chance to retain the right to telemedical abortion.

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JuliaMumsnet · 22/03/2022 09:41

You may have heard that earlier this month in spite of support for the service from BPAS, the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, the Royal College of GPs, the Royal College of Midwives, the British Medical Association, the Academy of Medical Royal Colleges, Women’s Aid, Rape Crisis and many other organisations, the Government announced that telemedical abortion will come to an end in England in six months time. This service, which allows women to have a telephone or video consultation with a qualified nurse or midwife and – where eligible – have abortion medication posted to them to use, has been available throughout the pandemic.

Telemedical abortion is a safe, effective, and accessible option for accessing abortion care in the first ten weeks of pregnancy, and means that women who struggle to attend an in-clinic appointment - because of a lack of childcare, transport issues, domestic abuse or any other reason - are able to obtain care.

When we asked Mumsnet users in January, nearly 80% of you told us you supported the retention of telemedical abortion. And now, thanks to an amendment by Baroness Liz Sugg, we have one last chance to keep this provision. On March 16th, Baroness Sugg proposed an amendment to the Health and Social Care Bill as it passed through the Lords to keep telemedical abortion in place in England. The amendment passed, which means it now goes back to the House of Commons for another vote (most probably during the w/c 28th March).

The amendment will be a free vote, which means MPs won’t be instructed how to vote by their political party - they will choose themselves whether to vote in favour of or against the amendment, or, to abstain. We know that MPs’ inboxes are filling up with emails from the anti-abortion lobby - and we want to make sure that they understand the strength of feeling amongst women in favour of keeping this provision. So we’re asking Mumsnet users to contact their MP and encourage them to vote in favour of the amendment.

Here’s how you do that:

  1. Find your MP's contact details here.
  2. Write them an email about why you care about this issue, and why you want them to vote for the amendment. You can use the template we have provided below, but if you have time please consider personalising your message - it will make it more effective!
  3. Tweet and tag your MP (and @MumsnetTowers) in some of the graphics on our twitter page with the hashtag #KeepTelemedicalAbortion. You can copy and paste the images. We'll be retweeting!

Let’s mobilise the power of Mumsnet and help retain what has been a real step forward for women’s reproductive rights.

p.s. If you’d like to support our campaigning work, sign up to Mumsnet Premium here. Sign up to the campaigns mailing list here.

TEMPLATE EMAIL
Subject: Please vote FOR retaining telemedical abortion in the Health and Care Bill

Dear [YOUR MP’s NAME]

I’m emailing as your constituent about the upcoming vote in the House of Commons on an amendment by Baroness Liz Sugg to the Health and Care Bill to support the retention of telemedical abortion.

The largest study of telemedical abortion in the world found that telemedicine is safe, effective, and improves care, and in a Mumsnet poll of more than 8,000 users in January 2022, more than 77% of users said they were in favour of retaining this service. Telemedical abortion means that women who struggle to attend an in-clinic appointment - because of a lack of childcare, transport issues, employment or any other reason - are able to obtain safe, timely and effective care. It also provides an accessible way for women in abusive and controlling relationships to access abortion care

Removing the provision of telemedical abortion would be a backwards step for women’s health and reproductive choice. It must be retained. Please vote for Baroness Liz Sugg’s amendment.

Best wishes
[YOUR NAME]

We need you! Lobby your MP for the last chance to retain the right to telemedical abortion.
We need you! Lobby your MP for the last chance to retain the right to telemedical abortion.
We need you! Lobby your MP for the last chance to retain the right to telemedical abortion.
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thinkingaboutLangCleg · 22/03/2022 18:36

Good point about the risk of women being pressured into taking the pills. But the opposite risk seems much likelier -- an abusive man refusing to allow a woman to end a pregnancy. As long as it's safe, abortion should be simple, early and as accessible as possible.

I've written to my Labour MP, who is rubbish on women's rights (toeing Labour's misogynistic trans line) but may feel safe enough to vote the right way on this.

curlydiamond · 22/03/2022 18:48

Done. Regardless of anyone's personal opinion on abortion, the removal of telemedicine in this case disproportionately disadvantages some of the most vulnerable women in society. A woman's access to reproductive choice and health care should not be determined by her socioeconomic status or level of vulnerability.

But sure, let's kick them while they're down and make their lives even harder because of personal opinions that have no right to interfere with another person's bodily autonomy.

NannyGythaOgg · 22/03/2022 18:58

@Awwlookatmybabyspider

I'm not signing as I'm pro life. People always talk about the women's rights. Should the baby have no rights at all. As far as I'm concerned we are human beings from the split second of conception. All That said I'd never condemn any one for making that choice. (Thinking what you like is of course one thing. Saying what you like is another thing entirely). I do have zero problem in saying I don't think abortion should be used as a type of contraception.
Every baby has a right to be be born to a mother who wants them - and a right not to be born to someone who, for whatever reason, does not want or feel able to give the child the life it deserves.
TyrannosaurusFlex · 22/03/2022 18:59

@DysonSphere

Nope. Pro-life.

I accept people have abortions

But I don't think it should be more accessible than it is without this option

Pro-life? Don’t you mean pro-forced birth?

Why on earth would you want to make abortions less accessible for those who might desperately need one and cannot access a clinic? Abortions should be performed as soon as possible, and who knows how long someone might have to wait to access one if they can’t do so from home.

NannyGythaOgg · 22/03/2022 19:00

@Crankley

I won't be signing. I know someone who was forced to take the drugs against her wishes by her abusive partner and it appears this is not unique, judging by other comments on here.
Unless they are prepared to leave their partners then, in my opinion, the child is deserves to not be born into an abusive situation.
DysonSphere · 22/03/2022 19:26

@TyrannosaurusFlex

Since pro-life = pro forced birth, is it alright if I say abortion = murder?

No I thought not.

pointythings · 22/03/2022 19:28

[quote DysonSphere]@TyrannosaurusFlex

Since pro-life = pro forced birth, is it alright if I say abortion = murder?

No I thought not.[/quote]
Well no. Because the former is true: pro-lifers want abortion made illegal, thus forcing women to give birth to babies they do not want.

The second is bollocks.

whumpthereitis · 22/03/2022 19:29

[quote DysonSphere]@TyrannosaurusFlex

Since pro-life = pro forced birth, is it alright if I say abortion = murder?

No I thought not.[/quote]
Given that it’s factually incorrect, no. Murder is a legal definition, and it does not cover abortion.

DysonSphere · 22/03/2022 19:38

Bollocks to you. Not to others. Bollocks is to attempt to dismiss all the ethical and philosophical arguments about it.

As it stands, notwithstanding this, abortions are available and will likely continue to be forever. I disagree with it being given via a teleconference for quite valid reasons.

TyrannosaurusFlex · 22/03/2022 19:39

[quote DysonSphere]@TyrannosaurusFlex

Since pro-life = pro forced birth, is it alright if I say abortion = murder?

No I thought not.[/quote]
No because murder, by definition, is the unlawful killing of a human being. A foetus isn’t a human being, it has no human rights.

HTH

pointythings · 22/03/2022 19:39

Given that it’s factually incorrect, no. Murder is a legal definition, and it does not cover abortion.

This.

Abortion is legal. Opposing something that would make it easier for a woman in need to access a legal medical procedure is immoral.

whumpthereitis · 22/03/2022 19:45

@DysonSphere

Bollocks to you. Not to others. Bollocks is to attempt to dismiss all the ethical and philosophical arguments about it.

As it stands, notwithstanding this, abortions are available and will likely continue to be forever. I disagree with it being given via a teleconference for quite valid reasons.

I’ll gladly accept the bollocks, I’ve been told they make great earrings.

I have no interest in discussing ethics with pro lifers. Anyone who thinks women should be forced to continue a pregnancy against the will doesn’t have an opinion worth consideration tbh. The reality of ‘pro life’ laws is women risking serious injury and even death as they instead access it illegally. It’s one of the leading causes of death of women worldwide. So yes, I absolutely do dismiss the ‘ethical and philosophical’ arguments of pro lifers.

Smile
DysonSphere · 22/03/2022 19:51

Not to me and thousands of other women it isn't.

Not all things that are legal are ethical. We live in a democracy and rights do have to be balanced. Especially where there is ongoing debate.

Abortion is legal.
Abortion is accessible via a referral from a sex/health clinic and a GP.

Removal of a system that makes it even easier to access doesn't negate the former nor is it necessarily unethical. Unethical depends on the circumstances:

Is it more ethical if Jane, wanting her baby, but feeling under pressure from John, is told to get a tele-appointment and take the drugs while he watches and feels mental distress for possibly years afterwards?

Or Sara who comes from a very patriarchal culture and is relieved to be able to get it done quickly without involving her parents because of the potential dire consequences if they find out?

It's not more or less ethical depending on the person(s) using the service.

DysonSphere · 22/03/2022 19:53

@whumpthereitis

don't.

I'm responding to the comments directed at me.

whumpthereitis · 22/03/2022 19:59

Given that, according to YouGov polling, the majority of (female) respondents wanted telemedicine abortion to continue post pandemic, and it is also a position supported by the Royal College of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, as well as peer reviewed studies (linked below) concerning women who used the service, I would say the benefits certainly do outweigh the drawbacks. Generally, you don’t legislate on the worst case scenario.

whumpthereitis · 22/03/2022 20:01

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33605016/

pointythings · 22/03/2022 20:02

As I've said upthread quoting an article - as of 2019 the numbers of women forced to terminate pregnancies they wanted was a smidge smaller than the number of women forced to continue with pregnancies they did not want. This latter group, if their access to legal abortion is rolled back, would be more likely to bring children into abusive home situations.

The ethical options are therefore not equal.

And no, I don't have much time for the ethics of people who want to force women to continue with unwanted pregnancies either. Don't like abortion? Don't have one. Leave the rest of us alone to make our own choices.

daisyjgrey · 22/03/2022 20:02

[quote DysonSphere]@TyrannosaurusFlex

Since pro-life = pro forced birth, is it alright if I say abortion = murder?

No I thought not.[/quote]
"Pro life" is anti-choice, which is the polar opposite of pro-choice.

So nice try, but no.

Mumof3lovelygirls · 22/03/2022 20:22

Nope, definitely won't be signing. What about the unborn baby's rights? Sex is a luxury, not a right. If you can't be responsible enough to take the repercussions then just abstain. Simple.

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pointythings · 22/03/2022 20:32

@Mumof3lovelygirls

Nope, definitely won't be signing. What about the unborn baby's rights? Sex is a luxury, not a right. If you can't be responsible enough to take the repercussions then just abstain. Simple.
Could you please point me to the 100% failsafe option a woman in a marriage can use when 1) her husband refuses to use condoms or get a vasectomy and 2) the medical establishment refuses her sterilisation because 'she's too young and might change her mind' (because obviously women cannot be trusted to make responsible choices Hmm). Abstinence doesn't count because sex is part of a marriage and of relationships in general.

Sex is a luxury, not a right? What planet are you from?

But this debate is predictably getting derailed by the anti-choice brigade.

whumpthereitis · 22/03/2022 20:33

@Mumof3lovelygirls

Nope, definitely won't be signing. What about the unborn baby's rights? Sex is a luxury, not a right. If you can't be responsible enough to take the repercussions then just abstain. Simple.
Ah yes, in one sentence Mumof3lovelygirls has just solved humanity.

Meanwhile, back on planet fucking earth…

daisyjgrey · 22/03/2022 20:41

@Mumof3lovelygirls

Nope, definitely won't be signing. What about the unborn baby's rights? Sex is a luxury, not a right. If you can't be responsible enough to take the repercussions then just abstain. Simple.

I nearly drowned in the privilege that was dripping off that comment.

DysonSphere · 22/03/2022 20:50

Agree @Mumof3lovelygirls

Mumof3lovelygirls · 22/03/2022 20:51

I'm not anti choice. I'm pro sanctity of life. You can choose what you do but when it comes to an unborn child you should protect it as a mother should. If you don't want to then don't become a mother. Abstinence is the only sure way to prevent pregnancy. If you abstain long enough I'm sure men would start to get sterilised.

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