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We need you! Lobby your MP for the last chance to retain the right to telemedical abortion.

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JuliaMumsnet · 22/03/2022 09:41

You may have heard that earlier this month in spite of support for the service from BPAS, the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, the Royal College of GPs, the Royal College of Midwives, the British Medical Association, the Academy of Medical Royal Colleges, Women’s Aid, Rape Crisis and many other organisations, the Government announced that telemedical abortion will come to an end in England in six months time. This service, which allows women to have a telephone or video consultation with a qualified nurse or midwife and – where eligible – have abortion medication posted to them to use, has been available throughout the pandemic.

Telemedical abortion is a safe, effective, and accessible option for accessing abortion care in the first ten weeks of pregnancy, and means that women who struggle to attend an in-clinic appointment - because of a lack of childcare, transport issues, domestic abuse or any other reason - are able to obtain care.

When we asked Mumsnet users in January, nearly 80% of you told us you supported the retention of telemedical abortion. And now, thanks to an amendment by Baroness Liz Sugg, we have one last chance to keep this provision. On March 16th, Baroness Sugg proposed an amendment to the Health and Social Care Bill as it passed through the Lords to keep telemedical abortion in place in England. The amendment passed, which means it now goes back to the House of Commons for another vote (most probably during the w/c 28th March).

The amendment will be a free vote, which means MPs won’t be instructed how to vote by their political party - they will choose themselves whether to vote in favour of or against the amendment, or, to abstain. We know that MPs’ inboxes are filling up with emails from the anti-abortion lobby - and we want to make sure that they understand the strength of feeling amongst women in favour of keeping this provision. So we’re asking Mumsnet users to contact their MP and encourage them to vote in favour of the amendment.

Here’s how you do that:

  1. Find your MP's contact details here.
  2. Write them an email about why you care about this issue, and why you want them to vote for the amendment. You can use the template we have provided below, but if you have time please consider personalising your message - it will make it more effective!
  3. Tweet and tag your MP (and @MumsnetTowers) in some of the graphics on our twitter page with the hashtag #KeepTelemedicalAbortion. You can copy and paste the images. We'll be retweeting!


Let’s mobilise the power of Mumsnet and help retain what has been a real step forward for women’s reproductive rights.

p.s. If you’d like to support our campaigning work, sign up to Mumsnet Premium here. Sign up to the campaigns mailing list here.

TEMPLATE EMAIL
Subject: Please vote FOR retaining telemedical abortion in the Health and Care Bill

Dear [YOUR MP’s NAME]

I’m emailing as your constituent about the upcoming vote in the House of Commons on an amendment by Baroness Liz Sugg to the Health and Care Bill to support the retention of telemedical abortion.

The largest study of telemedical abortion in the world found that telemedicine is safe, effective, and improves care, and in a Mumsnet poll of more than 8,000 users in January 2022, more than 77% of users said they were in favour of retaining this service. Telemedical abortion means that women who struggle to attend an in-clinic appointment - because of a lack of childcare, transport issues, employment or any other reason - are able to obtain safe, timely and effective care. It also provides an accessible way for women in abusive and controlling relationships to access abortion care

Removing the provision of telemedical abortion would be a backwards step for women’s health and reproductive choice. It must be retained. Please vote for Baroness Liz Sugg’s amendment.

Best wishes
[YOUR NAME]
We need you! Lobby your MP for the last chance to retain the right to telemedical abortion.
We need you! Lobby your MP for the last chance to retain the right to telemedical abortion.
We need you! Lobby your MP for the last chance to retain the right to telemedical abortion.
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ModerationInEverything · 01/04/2022 21:33

Thanks @KimikosNightmare. I see he voted in favour.

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KimikosNightmare · 01/04/2022 21:02

www.theyworkforyou.com/divisions/pw-2022-03-30-237-commons

It should not be assumed voting against the retention of telemedication means an MP is anti abortion. Andrea Leadsom for example voted against it but she was one of the MPs who supported Stella Creasey's campaign about NI.

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ModerationInEverything · 01/04/2022 20:26

I see that MPs have voted in favour of the amendment. Is there a way I can see how my mp voted? He never bothered replying to my email.

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chattycaterpillar · 31/03/2022 07:44

@coldfeetmama

Oh don't get me started on protesters

I've been spat on 3 times
Been told I will never go to Heaven
I am working for the Devil
And had my car damaged

There are some clinics who were successful with buffer zones but not many .


That is disgusting. Were you able to report to the police for assault, (spitting), and criminal damage, ( the car).
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coldfeetmama · 30/03/2022 21:54

Oh don't get me started on protesters

I've been spat on 3 times
Been told I will never go to Heaven
I am working for the Devil
And had my car damaged

There are some clinics who were successful with buffer zones but not many .

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coldfeetmama · 30/03/2022 21:49

The pandemic forced abortion providers to find a way of treating women with reduced contact
Lockdown , reduced public transport , furlough , working from home and Covid itself all affected all Healthcare

Telephone Consultation was already in situ

Algorithms and client pathways were devised to determine a strict criteria for who should be seen and who can be provided with Early Medical Abortion up to 10 weeks

Yes , I totally agree it is not right for everyone
Yes I think the system has been abused

But thousands of woman have benefited from this process . Some of the data reported here is absolute crap

Women are referred daily to AE/ EPAU
Women are signposted to Women's Aid / Karma Nirvana/ Police / GP / Social care / Mental health services and many other services
The waiting time for in clinic services is around 7-15 days due to how busy it is

There are advantages and disadvantages to both the medical and surgical procedures so again this is an individual preference discussed with that lady , it's not around money as the CCG contracts never changed

Women were also worried about contact in the height of Covid times
So being able to collect from clinic or have the meds posted saved them from having contact - but only if they were thought to be suitable

Which as you say - they do not always get it right , they know this !
They continue to develop and tighten policy as much as they can to ensure the best service for the greater amount of women

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chattycaterpillar · 30/03/2022 21:40

@coldfeetmama

No Misoprostol was previously allowed to take home - maybe 2018 I cannot remember exactly
Mifepristone only came in with Covid

Sorry I have checked and can see you are right and I got misoprostol and mifepristone mixed up. I don't have any issue with mifepristone being taken at home, but do think it should only be prescribed / given to take home after:
1) An in-person, private consultation to safeguard the interests of the women confirmed.
2) Pregnancy, ( as opposed to an ectopic), being confirmed via ultrasound.

As an aside, I do also think that protestors should be legally blocked from clinics to stop women feeling intimidated for entering them.
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chattycaterpillar · 30/03/2022 21:34

[quote coldfeetmama]@chattycaterpillar there are pathways to identify and support vulnerable women - some do come into clinic , some do not
All under 16's are seen face to face in clinic
Passwords and code words are used to confirm when women can and cannot talk freely

I appreciate you looking after these women .
I also safeguard women who have massively benefited from this process .

Nothing in the world is perfect as we all know some adverse events are bound to occur.

Let's start supporting the decriminalisation of abortion and continuing to support women in all we do . [/quote]
But @coldfeetmama, many of the people calling up to access these pills are not going to sound vulnerable because they are not. They will not be pregnant. They will be women calling to request these pills are sent to them, in order to cover up abuse, ( including of under 16's), and telemedicine will prevent a professional getting near these girls.

That is genuinely my worry.

I also would genuinely appreciate your opinion on this, ( it sounds as if you work in this area). I had a friend who had two missed miscarriages, eight weeks, one treated with pills one treated with surgery, ( I understand it is the exact same treatment as for termination). She says the surgery was 1000 x much less traumatic and the recovery much quicker. She found the pills, ( and the resultant blood loss and products), very distressing.

Is it a "cost thing," that the more painful, distressing with longer recovery time option seems to be being pushed on girls and women by the government ?

I do absolutely think abortion needs to be a legal and regulated NHS service, but I am worried telemedicine will prevent women who need it accessing help.

If your abuser puts the phone on speakerphone and stays in the room with you, you can't really indicate you can't speak freely IMO.

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coldfeetmama · 30/03/2022 21:26

No Misoprostol was previously allowed to take home - maybe 2018 I cannot remember exactly
Mifepristone only came in with Covid

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chattycaterpillar · 30/03/2022 21:23

Alsi @coldfeetmama, correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought mifepristone to take at home was legalised in 2018 ?

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coldfeetmama · 30/03/2022 21:22

@chattycaterpillar there are pathways to identify and support vulnerable women - some do come into clinic , some do not
All under 16's are seen face to face in clinic
Passwords and code words are used to confirm when women can and cannot talk freely

I appreciate you looking after these women .
I also safeguard women who have massively benefited from this process .

Nothing in the world is perfect as we all know some adverse events are bound to occur.

Let's start supporting the decriminalisation of abortion and continuing to support women in all we do .

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chattycaterpillar · 30/03/2022 21:11

@coldfeetmama

The status in Wales was decided a couple of weeks ago . It was made a permanent change for Wales

This is not really about Telemedicine

It is about the law allowing women to take
mifepristone in their own home as opposed to taking it in a premises licensed for abortion
Which the clinic was and home was not

What the fuck it has to do with the Government still is beyond me

@coldfeetmama to me this is completely about telemedicine.

I have zero problem with women being prescribed mifepristone to take at home, ( providing an in clinic option is available for those who would prefer medical supervision), at all.

I have a big, big problem with telemedicine preventing vulnerable women and girls from having a private, safe space to disclose coercion/ force/ pressure and abuse.

I have worked with some vey vulnerable women, ( including victims of sex trafficking), and coerced/ forced termination is a big problem.

I don't have any moral issue with mifepristone being used in the home, but have big safeguarding concerns for telemedicine and I'm really disappointed it's been made permanent, as I can see this just making the abuse of vulnerable girls and women easier.
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Slothtoes · 30/03/2022 20:42

Also worth noting in the analysis of this, is that this was a conscience vote, yet the result was divided strongly on party lines.

Look at Hansard, on the ‘chart view’ tab. This shows MPs who voted No to the Sugg amendment. 93.5% of them Conservative.

Those who voted in support of telemedical abortion via the Sugg amendment were 55% Lab and then 33% Con.

I think trying to find someone to vote for who is actually pro-woman at next GE is going much more complicated than voting Conservative assuming that the Tories support women because they ‘know what a woman is’.

We will need to consider each individual candidate’s position very carefully, and not make any assumptions about them
being pro-woman or not, based on simple party lines.

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pucelleauxblanchesmains · 30/03/2022 20:42

@NotDonna It's horrible to write because it's horrible. I was born into an abusive household. I still think coercion into termination is worse.

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AskingforaBaskin · 30/03/2022 20:37

@coldfeetmama

The status in Wales was decided a couple of weeks ago . It was made a permanent change for Wales

This is not really about Telemedicine

It is about the law allowing women to take
mifepristone in their own home as opposed to taking it in a premises licensed for abortion
Which the clinic was and home was not

What the fuck it has to do with the Government still is beyond me

Excellent news. Thank you so much.
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Slothtoes · 30/03/2022 20:17

God, what a relief. I am absolutely raging inside at the sanctimonious reply I received from my MP about this issue about their personal views, who clearly couldn’t give a shit about women. Or medical evidence from experts.

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BoreOfWhabylon · 30/03/2022 20:16

Thanks so much @RhiannonEMumsnet @JuliaMumsnet @JustineMumsnet and all who contacted MPs and spread the word.

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coldfeetmama · 30/03/2022 20:14

The status in Wales was decided a couple of weeks ago . It was made a permanent change for Wales

This is not really about Telemedicine

It is about the law allowing women to take
mifepristone in their own home as opposed to taking it in a premises licensed for abortion
Which the clinic was and home was not

What the fuck it has to do with the Government still is beyond me

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pointythings · 30/03/2022 19:37

Excellent news. Vulnerable women in abusive relationships will continue to be able to access abortion without needing to leave their homes, giving them a better chance of leaving the relationship when they are ready to do so. And better still - people listened to the science!

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RoseslnTheHospital · 30/03/2022 19:25

Fantastic news. Just heard the result now, I will check which way my MP voted as I didn't get a written response from them on this issue.

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AskingforaBaskin · 30/03/2022 19:01

@RhiannonEMumsnet Hey. Do you happen to know of its status in Wales?

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chattycaterpillar · 30/03/2022 19:01

Very disappointed with the result. A greenlight for men to abuse vulnerable women, women not to be given a private and safe space to disclose abuse, coercion and other safeguarding concerns, ( e.g. being a victim of trafficking), and the government cutting back on funding for women's health/ safety/ DV in the name of progress. The fact that Mumsnet, a website which is meant to help women, ( including those who are victims of DV), is celebrating this is misguided at best, and appalling at worst.

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RhiannonEMumsnet · 30/03/2022 18:41

Hi all,

As you may have seen, this evening the House of Commons voted FOR Baroness Sugg's amendment, meaning that telemedical abortion will remain available to women in England!

We're really grateful to everyone who took the time to write to their MP or share the campaign on Twitter. This was an against-the-odds result and it just goes to show the campaigning power of Mumsnet and its users!

Thanks,
MNHQ

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greenjeans11 · 30/03/2022 05:02

This is wonderful!!

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