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MNHQ here: should Mumsnet sign up as a member of a new campaign on children with disabilities?

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RowanMumsnet · 09/08/2016 09:32

Hello

Mumsnet's been asked whether we want to sign up long-term as a supporter of the newly launched Disabled Children's Partnership. So, as ever with these things, we said we'd ask what our users thought.

Here's what the DCP has to say about itself:

"The Disabled Children’s Partnership (DCP) is an exciting new collaboration between 25 disability and children’s charities (listed below). As charities we have come together in the shared belief that health and social care services can and must be better if disabled children, young people and families are to get the support they need to enhance their life chances. The partnership was founded in 2015 to build on the excellent work of the Every Disabled Child Matters campaign."

"The partnership will work with disabled young people and their families to launch a major new campaign in England in 2017. The campaign will set out to challenge the political status quo and proactively raise the profile of the challenges that so many disabled children, young people and families face."

"The concerns, experiences and stories of disabled children, young people and their families will be at the forefront of the campaign, and therefore need to shape its development."

"Members Steering Group
· Action for Children
· Contact a Family (Chair)
· Mencap (Secretariat)
· National Autistic Society
· National Children’s Bureau
· Sense (Treasurer)
· Scope
· The Children’s Trust
· The Family Fund
· Together for Short Lives
· Well Child
Supporters
· Carers UK
· Carers Trust
· NDCS
· Ambitious About Autism
· Disability Challengers
· Working Families
· Whizz Kids
· Family and Childcare Trust
· Blind Children UK
· Rainbow Trust
· I CAN
· The Communications Trust
· The Seashell Trust"

We here at MNHQ think this looks like a good way to maximise campaigning impact on health and social care issues - but of course as ever we want to know what you think, so please do tell us whether you think we should sign up.

Thanks

OP posts:
Javabeansaintgeorge · 21/08/2016 07:05

I also do not want mumsnet to be a part of this.
Letting a poster post a thread dismissing ASD/ADHD as something everyone has but most just get on with with a label so it not a burden is disgusting in itself. But to then justify the thread by claiming it's about the diagnostic process is beyond comprehension.

What makes you think Mumsnet have the right to represent those with ASD and stand for their rights when you don't even stand for their rights while they are discriminated against on your own forum.

Manicmonkey · 21/08/2016 13:36

Big no from me too. I can't add anything that hasn't already been said. I hope MNHQ haven't been patting themselves on the back about this.

Jadenruby · 21/08/2016 18:38

Sorry Mumsnet but No here too.

Jasonandyawegunorts · 01/09/2016 14:34

The fact is a lot of people who have blue badges don't need them (And yes i say this knowing people who were given them many years ago and are now 'well' or never needed them in the first place) and there are a lot of people who would benefit from one but will not or can not get one.
don't fret OP!!

This was deemed acceptable and was left on a thread Can you imagine a similar post starting with the fact is and followed by derogatory nonsense being left up?
No becuase it is hate speech.

The fact is a lot of Muslims.... (insert derogatory stuff)

The fact is a lot of Jewish people... (insert derogatory stuff)

The fact is a lot of Black people... (insert derogatory stuff)

The fact is a lot of Asian people... (insert derogatory stuff)

It's all hate speech!

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 01/09/2016 17:36

Here is some more

Rhythmsticks

Honking, no of course not. Odd noises are fine and completely understandable. But a constant tapping or banging (or constant vocal noise) I don't think is ok in a restaurant.

About someone with SN in a restaurant.

Maybe we should collect disablist posts here. The campaign could start with Mn taking a harder line.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 02/09/2016 07:25

I was glad to see that was deleted more quickly than usual, although it was during the day, and with a deletion message that made it clear the post was disablist.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 02/09/2016 07:26

Oh no, just saw that it wasn't and indeed is still there.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 02/09/2016 07:29

I guess it's not seen as disablist to say that it's not ok for people with severe disabilities who make constant vocal noises to go to a restaurant.

Jasonandyawegunorts · 02/09/2016 08:27

SadI've given up trying to get mumsnet to understand, they've made it clear they don't get it and really don't want to.
I've started posting roughly how much i think mumsnet is making from each thread with Disablist hate speech stuff on, stuff i know has been reported but no action taken.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 02/09/2016 08:31

Yes agreed. I don't think I'll be feeling comfortable to join in with threads for a long time still if ever.

Jasonandyawegunorts · 02/09/2016 08:33

It's upsettign as support from other users here is fantastic.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 03/09/2016 00:41

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Samcro · 03/09/2016 11:46

after yesterday and the thread where a post talking about disabled people being "tolerated" is allowed to stand, as the poster was long standing and said they had a child with sn. even though it was very disablist.
how mn hq can contemplate joining in a campaign with the likes of SCOPE sickens me.
I know that if they do i Will be contacting SCOPE and showing them those threads.
I can't do it anymore, we are told to report disablism. yet when we do mn hq do nothing,

Jasonandyawegunorts · 03/09/2016 14:36

Samcro, if you do i have screen shots of most of these things.

RowanMumsnet · 29/09/2016 14:06

Hello all

Thanks very much for all your input on this.

While the balance of votes was in favour of our joining the Disabled Children's Partnership, it's also really clear from the discussion that we at MNHQ don't have the sort of wholehearted support we'd like for signing up and that there were many strong objections - so for now we will not (and if we consider doing so in the future we will of course ask your opinion again).

We're sad and sorry that so many of you feel let down by some of the decision we've taken about reported posts and threads. We are committed to deleting disablist posts once they are reported to us, but obviously some of you disagree strongly with decisions that we've taken. We can only say that we will keep working towards a happier consensus all round, and that your input and views on that will always be hugely important to us.

Meanwhile, the Disabled Children's Partnership have come back with answers to some of the questions raised earlier on the thread: apologies for the delay in this (as you'll see, they don't have huge staff resources) but hopefully the info in there is useful to those of you who are interested, especially if you'd like to sign up as individuals or become involved as a representative.

Thanks
MNHQ


ANSWERS FROM THE DISABLED CHILDREN'S PARTNERSHIP

'It sounds wonderful but what will they actually do?'
The Disabled Children’s Partnership is the coming together of over 25 children and disability charities, who are working together to launch a new campaign for disabled children. With the support of disabled young people and their families we will be launching a campaign dedicated to raising awareness of the challenges that disabled children, young people and families face, as well as fighting to change policy at the top. We will be working with both the grassroots and the policy makers to help ensure that disabled children and young people are given the health and social care that they need. The campaign is in its early stages, and is yet to be developed – our broad goals give us direction, but the actions and strategy is going to be defined over the next few months.

'Will be just about children, or will it include adults?'
This campaign will be focused on children’s services, including transition, in terms of health and social care this usually means up to 18, although the framework of the children and families act applies up until 25. We haven’t agreed a strict age cut off, but there’s another campaigning alliance called Care and Support Alliance which campaigns on adult social care. A lot of DCP organisations are members of this too, so we will work with Care and Support Alliance, rather than try and duplicate what they do.

'Do you have a link to anything online, so that we could read up about it?'
Because we are in our very early stages (we don’t even have a campaign name yet) at this point there is nothing online beyond the mission statement. We are, however, currently in the process of setting up a ‘Reference Information Form’, so that anyone interested can sign up for newsletters and updates on the development of the campaign.

'Does anyone know of campaigns looking at the needs of dependant disabled adults and their parent carers?'
Try the Care and Support Alliance

'It would be great for focus to be placed on education as well.'
The Children and Family’s Act (2014) is very much focused on education. With this in mind, and also because there are a number of campaigns and lobby groups (e.g the Special Education Consortium) who are working on education, the DCP feels that the most pressing issue at the moment is filling the void of health and social care for disabled children.

'What about the rest of Britain? I'm in Scotland so this is nothing to do with me.'
Because of the different systems that operate in each country across the UK, we don’t have enough resource to properly plan a campaign in all four nations at this point. However, we will revisit this and may be able to extend in due course. We will share any work developed with teams/organisations in the nations if it would help them take forward campaigning there.

'I'm slightly concerned that there's a whole admin layer here, possibly being rather well paid, sitting having meetings in lovely venues when the grassroots on-the-ground support services are stretched to the absolute limits.'
We have one person employed to work directly for the DCP, who works part-time and is on an assistant’s wage. This comes from a small pool of money contributed by the member organisations, which is being used to pay for the set-up of the campaign. As far as possible, we are going to be using the charities’ staff’s expertise, and are doing so on a low budget.

We are in process of setting up a Campaign Development Group, which will be made up entirely of family member/carers. They will be helping to shape the campaign up until launch, and possibly beyond. We are also going to be working with existing groups of disabled young people, who will advise on some of our decisions. There will also be the ‘Reference Information Group’ for those who are interested in the campaign’s development but less able to commit time to shaping it.

OP posts:
Samcro · 05/10/2016 10:23

thanks for the feed back
I did wonder what had happened with this. seeing the thread on mn at the moment. i couldn't think for one minute mn could sign up for this.

LineyReborn · 05/10/2016 10:36

What a lot of parents and carers need now, and will need in the future when their child turns 16, is help with the bloody horrendous PIP claim process.

So far we have not been able to access any help from the third sector, as they don't have the resources apparently.

We are current in a position where DWP failed to pass on the full claim to ATOS; where ATOS have given the wrong information to a key professional.

Samcro · 05/10/2016 22:42

I have been sickened by mn hq stance on the threads about ds
The allowing of this ablism is beyond sick
They did a this is my chidl campaign
Yet allow threads like these, that not only are allowing a platform for the disablist to post, but also make pa,s agaimst a parent.
I will be watching mns involvement with this campaign and as i said before i wills end links to scope, and now mencap of the disablist threads.
I doubt any reputable charity that is involved with helping disable people would want. To get in bed with mn

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