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just had a run in with the maternity ward bounty photographer

804 replies

StateofConfusion · 21/12/2012 13:17

And having previously defended them and loved my pictures of my eldest children todays 'rep' has made me agree they need to be removed from wards!

She arrived originally before breakfast turned on the lights and opened curtains waking me and the other Mum up, then continued to talk over the peadiatrician who was checking my dd over.

Eventually she sulked off but apparently came back when I was asleep (how dare I?) Last time she came back as I'd just settled dd and was eating lunch which had just arrived.

I said No photos at the minute thanks she got most insistant that its for security reasons?? (I'm going home today) and said she'd just lean round and take them, dd was asleep on my lap in a v pillow whilst I ate. I said again, not right now I'm eating she left brochures and went off muttering quite loudly.

I'm hormonal so ofc this has upset me, but not as much as the first time mum across they way! WHY are these people allowed to just walk around a maternity ward being so fucking rude!

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OhDearNigel · 21/12/2012 23:33

Lots of people don't want door to door salesmen and won't open the door to them and yet you can't escape them on a hospital ward
Good point Red

RedToothbrush · 21/12/2012 23:36

Greatcongas, its against trading standards.

You aren't allowed to upsell a coffin as a funeral director for example.

Dontbeatmeupitsxmas · 21/12/2012 23:36

Ohdear, no we are not targeted but we are reminded that the most complaints we get from customer services are from Mums that have not been given their bags, and often come back in the hospital to get them so we have to be seen available every morning for Mums.

RedToothbrush · 21/12/2012 23:38

Why can't you sit in a room next to the ward, rather than going round bed to bed then?

Its harassment.

IneedAsockamnesty · 21/12/2012 23:40

Pixel

20 years ago the packs were good. Full sized products and several to a bag. They also just gave you the packs and each had a form in that you could fill out and send back but you didn't have to, to get it.

But now they hound you for details, its not right. Loads of people think they are hospital employees, and they do not make it clear they arnt

GreatCongas · 21/12/2012 23:42

I thought to redtoothbrush

And I'm glad you knew what I meant as it autocorrected creating to crafting (still made sense actually)

So are the harassing bounty people breaking the law then

BurnThisDiscoDown · 21/12/2012 23:42

My experience was nowhere near as bad as some others on this thread, but I did feel under pressure. My Bounty lady turned up just after my DH had been sent home for lunch so I was by myself, I'd had DS literally 3 hours previously in about 2 hours, so I was almost in shock I think. She came into the ward, told me she was here to take the photos, took them, then said I had to order them there and then. Then she asked for payment, I was a bit out of it so lied and said I hadn't got my purse with me. That sounds really pathetic, and normally I'd refuse to order anything until I'd looked through the options, spoken to DH etc, but I was absolutely knackered and a bit out of it, and just couldn't handle it. I felt really vulnerable that she'd turned up when she did, it was almost as though she'd waited til DH had gin

OhDearNigel · 21/12/2012 23:43

my issue is not with giving out bags - i loved my free stuff; my issue is with the selling of very expensive photo packages to people who are recovering from a massive and sometimes very unpleasant event, who are chock full of hormones, tired and generally in no mood to argue. After I gave birth I would have agreed to have my arm cut off I was so high on my hormone cocktail. And the obtaining of personal detail so that more aggressively targeted marketing can be sent out.

louistheseventeenth · 21/12/2012 23:43

Don'tbeatmeupitsxmas...

As the caring bounty lady you watch newborn babies whilst their mothers have showers...

And you think thats ok? Shock

At this point words have failed me so I'm going to bed.

BurnThisDiscoDown · 21/12/2012 23:46

Crap, fat fingers! She literally turned up within seconds of DH leaving the ward, like she'd been waiting.

lookoveryourshouldernow · 21/12/2012 23:48

...ooohhh - disagree

Would have loved some photos of me and my little one in the early hours of his life - even though I was knackered, stitched up and drugged up to the hilt...

I have some photos three days later - but it is not quite the same .....

jinglebellyalltheway · 21/12/2012 23:48

dontbeatmeup if the new mums own mothers were allowed on the ward when buisness reps like you are THEY could sit with the babies and get their daughters cups of tea

it is a vile profession, it is targetted selling in a place where you should be safe from it, at a time when there is no visiting so that the women SHOULD have a bit more privacy than they have during visiting hours, you are basically a member of the public, like a sky tv package sales man! and I don't want them or you trawling into the ward while I'm in that vulnerable state, whether you're polite or not and whether you love seeing all the ickle babies or not!

Dontbeatmeupitsxmas · 21/12/2012 23:50

Red tooth, because a lot of new mums are immobile. I always check with the ward clerk if there are any poorly mums or babies and do not visit them for reasons listed above by my hopefully ex collegues. I have been on mumsnet for a long time (yes name chAnged but I'm sure you don't blame me) but it is the same as boots, pampers etc just get the vouchers And updates you feel benefit you then unsubscribe.

jinglebellyalltheway · 21/12/2012 23:51

plus, a lot of those mums who are happy to see you, do not know what you are! and are too out of it to really probe you about it! they just see a name badge and a logo they associate with their antenatal care and think it should be fine or you wouldn't be there, its only later that they hate the fact they were sucked in!

Orenishii · 21/12/2012 23:53

It was only thanks to reading about the reps on here that I knew to be wary of them. I was traumatised after a difficult birth, and more intent on DS and getting the hell out of the hospital (I desperately wanted to go home) so I just kept shutting my room door in the reps face after repeating a bit manically "Not interested!"

jinglebellyalltheway · 21/12/2012 23:53

x posted
it is NOTHING! NOTHING like the boots parenting club or tescos parenting club etc... because you sign up to them when you are in a normal mental state!

RedToothbrush · 21/12/2012 23:54

I can't find the pdf guide to The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 as it appears that its offline as the OFT update their website. It has some cracking examples of what you can and can not do.

Its uses examples such as a salesman standing between a customer and a doorway so they can not leave freely. So what happens when a potential customer is in a hospital bed and can't leave freely then?

I do however have the list, minus examples, of what are classed as aggressive practises:

Aggressive commercial practices

7.?(1) A commercial practice is aggressive if, in its factual context, taking account of all of its features and circumstances?

(a)it significantly impairs or is likely significantly to impair the average consumer?s freedom of choice or conduct in relation to the product concerned through the use of harassment, coercion or undue influence; and

(b)it thereby causes or is likely to cause him to take a transactional decision he would not have taken otherwise.

(2) In determining whether a commercial practice uses harassment, coercion or undue influence account shall be taken of?

(a)its timing, location, nature or persistence;

(b)the use of threatening or abusive language or behaviour;

(c)the exploitation by the trader of any specific misfortune or circumstance of such gravity as to impair the consumer?s judgment, of which the trader is aware, to influence the consumer?s decision with regard to the product;

(d)any onerous or disproportionate non-contractual barrier imposed by the trader where a consumer wishes to exercise rights under the contract, including rights to terminate a contract or to switch to another product or another trader; and

(e)any threat to take any action which cannot legally be taken.

(3) In this regulation?

(a)?coercion? includes the use of physical force; and

(b)?undue influence? means exploiting a position of power in relation to the consumer so as to apply pressure, even without using or threatening to use physical force, in a way which significantly limits the consumer?s ability to make an informed decision.

There are also clear breeches if Bounty are using misleading information (such as saying you can't get the CB elsewhere) under clauses about misleading people.

So like I say, I don't give a shit if you are a nice or nasty Bounty sales rep. If you are approaching someone in a hospital bed you are breaking trading standards and its about bloody time someone started questioning whats going on, and started actually using these regulations as its clear as day there is a problem here.

jinglebellyalltheway · 21/12/2012 23:55

you could probably easily get annulled if you got married on the post natal ward when you were still dazed and confused and full of drugs, noone would think it was a good time to sign a contract!

but try and get out of Bounty's junk mail after your baby has died - not so easy!

GoingGoingGoth · 21/12/2012 23:55

Marking place, so I can sign petition

GreatCongas · 21/12/2012 23:56

Nicely done redtoothbrush

Dontbeatmeupitsxmas · 21/12/2012 23:57

Louis, yes when I've finished my shift twice I have returned to two mums who I got on really well with who were dying for a shower/bath and told them if their husband wasn't there by then I would watch the baby for them. Blimey they were a lot more appreciative of it than you.

IneedAsockamnesty · 21/12/2012 23:58

louis

She's been very brave admitting she works for them, she does not own the company, has said she does not condone what the shit ones do to pressure new mums.

So do you really need to rip into her about watching a newborn in a ward surrounded by other mums and mw's( that would have been left in its fish bowl and occasionally glanced at by a mw) whilst mum had a shower?

Obviously as long as mum was not pressured to buy the photo because of this,what's the big deal?

Taking these sort of threads down those types of routes sadly means they tend to get ignored by people who could make changes.

Bottom line is several reps pressure loads and misrepresent themselves and they shouldn't be there to do this in the first place.

No real need now either due to camera phones ect.

RedToothbrush · 21/12/2012 23:58

Red tooth, because a lot of new mums are immobile.

PRECISELY WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BE SELLING TO THEM UNTIL THEY ARE MOBILE.

You approach them when they are immobile as they are unable to make a free choice whether to have the photos. If you were just there and didn't approach beds you'd get less sales. Think about it for two seconds about why that constitutes an aggressive sales technic...

Kleptronic · 22/12/2012 00:03

The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008

Absolutely agreed this is pressured selling and against the law. It needs a test case bringing, but who has the wherewithal to bring a case when they've got a newborn? That is why this company gets away with it.

ShakeyStevens · 22/12/2012 00:07

My conversation with the Bounty lady went like this:

Bounty: I'm here to take the security photo of your baby (getting camera ready)
Me: No, thanks. The hospital doesn't need a security photo, she has a wrist band and an ankle band on.
Bounty: Don't you want a first photo of your baby?
Me: Don't worry, we've already taken about 50
Bounty: Right Hmm , well if you can just fill in this form I can give you your pack
Me: No thanks, I'd rather not give out my personal details, we get enough junk mail as it is
Bounty: But if you don't fill in the form you won't get a pack?
Me: Thats fine
Bounty: It has lots of freebies in it, nappy cream and wipes
Me: No, its fine, thanks anyway
Bounty: But you won't get your pack and it has your CB form in it
Me: Thats ok, we can get the forms from the Post Office
Bounty: But you are meant to get them from the pack
Me: Well, I'll get one at the PO
Bounty: Well, if you think you will get the chance to go to the PO with a newborn...
Me: I'm sure we'll manage, DH works next door to it
Bounty: Can I tell you about the lovely photo packages, they are a lovely souvenir or gift for a new grandparent
Me: .......

Thankfully with my second I was home within a few hours so was long gone before the Bounty woman came around the next morning.

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