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just had a run in with the maternity ward bounty photographer

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StateofConfusion · 21/12/2012 13:17

And having previously defended them and loved my pictures of my eldest children todays 'rep' has made me agree they need to be removed from wards!

She arrived originally before breakfast turned on the lights and opened curtains waking me and the other Mum up, then continued to talk over the peadiatrician who was checking my dd over.

Eventually she sulked off but apparently came back when I was asleep (how dare I?) Last time she came back as I'd just settled dd and was eating lunch which had just arrived.

I said No photos at the minute thanks she got most insistant that its for security reasons?? (I'm going home today) and said she'd just lean round and take them, dd was asleep on my lap in a v pillow whilst I ate. I said again, not right now I'm eating she left brochures and went off muttering quite loudly.

I'm hormonal so ofc this has upset me, but not as much as the first time mum across they way! WHY are these people allowed to just walk around a maternity ward being so fucking rude!

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PlentyOfPubeGardens · 22/12/2012 15:30

I will wholeheartedly back any campaign that gets these salespeople removed from the wards. It is clear from the trading standards stuff people have posted that Bounty are breaking the law. It's appalling that the NHS is so short of cash they are prepared to compromise patients' wellbeing and legal rights for the sake of a few extra quid.

Congratulations, OP Thanks

TapirAroundTheChristmasTree · 22/12/2012 15:35

There is NO place for a salesperson on a hospital ward whatsoever.

I had an awful time with a bounty rep after the stillbirth of my dd1.

A petition and action to stop this, and any other vultures company can't come soon enough IMO.

bealos · 22/12/2012 15:37

Has someone set up a petition? (scrolling through threads and can't see one)

EauRougelyNight · 22/12/2012 15:38

bealos Yes, someone has but it takes a while to be processed on the No 10 site. There will be a link soon.

TapirAroundTheChristmasTree · 22/12/2012 15:38

Bealos one of the PP ^^ has set one up on the Downing St website, but it can take up to seven days to become active.

AliceWChild · 22/12/2012 15:38

It takes 7 days to go live but there will be one

IneedAsockamnesty · 22/12/2012 15:40

You will be required to visit The Salisbury District Hospital (Salisbury, Wiltshire) maternity wards to distribute our Bounty packs of information & product samples, and offer our photographic service.

This particular hospital currently has a room outside of the maternity wards but in the same corridor. People are expected to request there photographic services as opposed to be asked by the reps if they want them, and the midwives are brilliant, they do chase them out if they hassle new mums.

MrsReiver · 22/12/2012 15:42

Just going to post this again in case it gets lost in the 407 other posts Xmas Grin

You can check if there is a Bounty Rep in your hospital here

NotSpartacus · 22/12/2012 15:57

To be fair to Dontbeatmeup, at least she has come on here to discuss the issue, and clearly she tries to be pleasant in her job.
The higher ups at Bounty who no doubt use google alerts to spot these sorts of internet discussions are nowhere to be seen. Why is that I wonder? Perhaps because we are not sufficiently "robust and relevant" (!!) for them to engage and explain why they believe their organisation has a place on hospital wards selling to vulnerable people and taking their data for sale to third parties (possibly without their informed consent?).

EauRougelyNight · 22/12/2012 16:00

Not robust enough my arse, it's because what we think is not important- as long as they get the details to sell on then job done.

EmpressOfTheNorthPole · 22/12/2012 16:01

Why bother with feedback from MN when you can get it from your own forums? Who will be robust and relevant and a completely random cross-section of mums. Yes.

RedToothbrush · 22/12/2012 16:10

Ok. I might have another one to throw in the mix here.

European Convention of Human Rights.
Article 8 ? Right to respect for private and family life

1. Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence.

2. There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.

Note: The notion of private life in the Article 8 is also interpreted as including some duty of environmental protection. (eg would include someone in hospital or prison if I am correct).

Definition of privacy according to wiki:
Privacy is the ability of an individual or group to seclude themselves or information about themselves and thereby reveal themselves selectively. The boundaries and content of what is considered private differ among cultures and individuals, but share basic common themes. Privacy is sometimes related to anonymity, the wish to remain unnoticed or unidentified in the public realm. When something is private to a person, it usually means there is something within them that is considered inherently special or personally sensitive. The degree to which private information is exposed therefore depends on how the public will receive this information, which differs between places and over time. Privacy partially intersects security, including for instance the concepts of appropriate use, as well as protection of information. Privacy may also take the form of bodily integrity.

The right not to be subjected to unsanctioned invasion of privacy by the government, corporations or individuals is part of many countries' privacy laws, and in some cases, constitutions. Almost all countries have laws which in some way limit privacy; an example of this would be law concerning taxation, which normally require the sharing of information about personal income or earnings. In some countries individual privacy may conflict with freedom of speech laws and some laws may require public disclosure of information which would be considered private in other countries and cultures. Privacy may be voluntarily sacrificed, normally in exchange for perceived benefits and very often with specific dangers and losses, although this is a very strategic view of human relationships. Academics who are economists, evolutionary theorists, and research psychologists describe revealing privacy as a 'voluntary sacrifice', for instance by willing participants in sweepstakes or competitions. In the business world, a person may volunteer personal details (often for advertising purposes) in order to gamble on winning a prize. Personal information which is voluntarily shared but subsequently stolen or misused can lead to identity theft.

Privacy, as the term is generally understood in the West, is not a universal concept and remained virtually unknown in some cultures until recent times. Most cultures, however, recognize the ability of individuals to withhold certain parts of their personal information from wider society - a figleaf over the genitals being an ancient example.

I'm NOT a lawyer, but I'd be really interested to know if there is the possibility that theres a conflict here, and whether the hospitals concerned have a duty of care to patients to protect their privacy from corporations (eg bed to bed sellers) in a vulnerable position like this.

So there's definitely Trading Standard issues here. There's definitely data protection issues here. And there is a possibility that this could be thrown in there too.

Anyone know anyone with any decent knowledge of the EUCHR?!

HyvaPaiva · 22/12/2012 16:12

I don't have children but this issue has angered me for ages. It is exceptionally hard to gain access to the NHS as an organization in order to carry out genuine academic scientific research. Their ethics procedure is exceptionally - and rightly - tough. I do not mean accessing maternity wards, I mean LESS sensitive areas, thus maternity should be even harder to access. I'm very glad that it is so hard to access the NHS because it should be secure and confidential. That's why I'm horrified by this allowance made for Bounty. Any research I have done in relation to the NHS has been crucially led by INFORMED CONSENT. Do you know - don'tbeatmeup - how crucial ethics and informed consent are?

Strangers stalking the wards. Random sales people being 'perceived' (according to the bounty sales person on here) as hospital staff, as trustworthy. Sales people making lie-filled claims about security/child benefit to scare patients into sales. Misleading, panicking, and caring not one bit about informed consent. Taking information off hospital notes, bothering bereaved parents. Receiving confidential information from midwives. I am SICKENED by this. Bounty employees should be thoroughly ASHAMED of themselves and those petitioning for their removal from wards are absolutely correct.

ChippingInLovesChristmasLights · 22/12/2012 16:13

Dontbeatmeup I don't want you to be anything. You are what you are. Which is, most emphatically, NOT an essential part of a hospital team.

Whether you like it or not, you are at best a sales person for bounty, at worst - a detail gathering tool which is part of their machine that takes advantage of new mums and has no respect for bereaved Mums...

Maybe you shouldn't have namechanged.

VisualiseAHorse · 22/12/2012 16:19

D'oh. Obviously OP's post is recent. I'm gonna blame Christmas stress on missing something so obvious!

naturalbaby · 22/12/2012 16:33

Why do they 'have' to be there, why do they 'have' to give mothers the packs?

I had all my dc's at home so never met any Bounty reps, I still got my CB forms and bounty packs.

I can't believe the stories I've read on this thread.

PurpleTinsel · 22/12/2012 16:33

Dontbeatmeupitsxmas - not quite sure I understood this bit from your posts Sat 22-Dec-12 14:28:02 "But we have a job to do and that means being there every morning to stock delivery and scbu with nappies and wipes and try to see every mum before she goes home."

Are you talking about supplying samples of nappies, wipes etc in the Bounty packs and then delivering Bounty packs to the wards, including Bounty packs to SCBU & Delivery?
Or are you saying that the hospital you work for buys all the nappies, wipes, cream and baby wash they need for newborn babies from Bounty and you personally have to deliver them all to the SCBU / Delivery? If it's this, that seems a little bizarre.

I was in SCBU at all sorts of times of day when DS was in there, and never saw the Bounty lady in there once. And most times I had a great view of the door to the SCBU office, or the way to the office, from where DS was. Although maybe Bounty didn't provide stock to the SCBU in the hospital I was in.

Osmiornica · 22/12/2012 16:38

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Enigmosaurus · 22/12/2012 16:48

Catching up on posts and seeing the 'we' and 'us' thing made me think. At our hospital, the Bounty woman pushes a trolley round with a laptop on top. It's not dissimilar to the trolley used by the hearing screening team, it doesn't help vulnerable, tired women distinguish someone who really is part of the team from someone who just wants their cold, hard cash. It really should not be allowed.

Arthurfowlersallotment · 22/12/2012 16:52

What with the crap, cold, useless night staff, stupid cunt breastfeeding counsellor and obese sleep apnea woman in the next bed, the irritating curtain pulling Bounty rep was the least irritating aspect of my four night stay at Watford General.

StateofConfusion · 22/12/2012 17:24

enigmosaraus makes a good point

Can't even begin to comment on donts posts as I don't want a banning from mn.

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maximusminimus · 22/12/2012 17:32

CheerfulYank - what's the company called? Are they in every hospital? Need to know if I should be on my guard (#1 born in the UK - luckily no Bounty rep in sight, but #2 due to be born in a large hospital in the US)...

As I said, there was no rep when #1 was born, but I remember worrying about it during pregnancy: just really worried that they would ruin my first hours with my new baby....

I'm sure individual reps can be lovely, but that the set-up is allowed at all is despicable.

beginnings · 22/12/2012 17:42

I was disgusted that my community notes came in a Bounty Pack at the beginning. I think pretty much all of the contents went into the recycling bin. I never bothered picking up the next one from wherever I was supposed to pick it up from. I'm not sure the last two ones even came home from hospital with us - although I did take the child benefit form out.

When I said I didn't want the photos, the lady didn't give me any grief but did take my details although ticked the "no spam" box on her system. Despite that I'm now constantly mithered by emails to "Dear Marian" (not my name) telling me what wonderful things I'm missing out on. Every time one arrives I just hit the Report Spam button and nearly 8 months on they're starting to dwindle.

I was even more shocked in another hospital, when visiting a friend, by the woman who breezed into her room in a WHITE COAT trying to sell ceramic foot prints!!

I'll sign anything to get this to stop. I think it's a horrendous way for the NHS to make money.

RowanTheRedNosedMumsnet · 22/12/2012 18:00

Hello hello

We appreciate that lots of you are (quite understandably) cross about this issue, but we still need you to stay on the right side of our Talk Guidelines and not personally attack other posters.

Thanks.

JugglingMeYorkiesAndNutRoast · 22/12/2012 18:01

Really, what they give you is so pathetic I can't see anyone missing any of it !
The gap, such as it is, could easily be filled in so many others